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thebenjamin

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You were right in the first place. What made yesterdays particularly farcical, was the foul on Moura that made him fall over in the first place. How is it sporting to disallow a goal in those circumstances? Crazy

For me, it should be, Ball to hand: ok. Deliberate Hand to ball: not ok.

The fact that the referee played advantage surely negates anything that happens in that incident. You can't have an advantage that is a disadvantage.
 

teok

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Behind a paywall but the story is self explanatory.

 

hughy

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Got 5 disagrees for this opinion. Now we have had most of the season to assess the new handball rule, what do we think?
I'd have possibly disagreed at the time, but as the season has gone on and this flaw has been exposed time and time again you're 100% correct.

I also can't grasp how far back in a passage of play they can look for a handball. Does it have to literally be the touch before the goal, or can (as a pure example) Lo Celso receive a ball on the half-way line which bounces up and accidentally touches his arm, he plays it to Sissoko, who plays it down the line to Aurier, who's overhit cross reaches Son on the opposite flank, who pulls it back for Lucas to have a skewed shot which Kane touches home... does this get disallowed?
 

spursfan77

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Football was better without VAR

How the fuck did you get 29 disagrees for this!?!?

Couldnt of been from people who have it disrupt celebrating goals, that’s for certain. Can’t celebrate one now until minutes later and that’s watching it on TV. It’s even worse in the ground.
 
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How the fuck did you get 29 disagrees for this!?!?

Couldnt of been from people who have it disrupt celebrating goals, that’s for certain. Can’t celebrate one now until minutes later and that’s watching it on TV. It’s even worse in the ground.
The fact we had to wait to see if we were going to be given Kanes late goal the other night pretty much iced the cake for me. No fucking clue what they were looking for - it was just one last fuck you to us on a night that was painful from the 30th minute on.
 

spursfan77

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The fact we had to wait to see if we were going to be given Kanes late goal the other night pretty much iced the cake for me. No fucking clue what they were looking for - it was just one last fuck you to us on a night that was painful from the 30th minute on.

Im so close to not bothering with the sport any more. The game is so different from what it is meant to be. I watched the playoff semis yesterday and although the quality of the game and in fact the officiating wasn’t good, it was better watching the game without an interference. Watching the ref make a couple of errors (the first penalty in the Wycombe game) were almost forgivable as an alternative to VAR pissing about with it. The ref felt like the one in charge, not his faceless overlords in a room somewhere.
 
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Im so close to not bothering with the sport any more. The game is so different from what it is meant to be. I watched the playoff semis yesterday and although the quality of the game and in fact the officiating wasn’t good, it was better watching the game without an interference. Watching the ref make a couple of errors (the first penalty in the Wycombe game) were almost forgivable as an alternative to VAR pissing about with it. The ref felt like the one in charge, not his faceless overlords in a room somewhere.
I've tended to follow the lower leagues over the years because of where I live and the teams I have had access too. Prefer watching the Championship and below and it's not just been over the last 18 months or so.

I'll probably admit that our down turn in form on the pitch hasn't helped, i'd be lying otherwise.

Not so much bothered by pundits or media - when people tell you 'if you don't like it, don't listen or read it anymore' on here I decided I won't. Hasn't stopped some of the same people then having a moan themselves! haha!

Disillusioned right now for sure, but I'll never shake that feeling of what if with Spurs, so I'll forever be trapped.
 

punkisback

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Technology isn't the problem it's the rules and the way they use it to enforce things that are. I wish there was a form of umpires call like in cricket to stop the toe offside and ricochet handballs.
 

RickyVilla

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I've tended to follow the lower leagues over the years because of where I live and the teams I have had access too. Prefer watching the Championship and below and it's not just been over the last 18 months or so.

I'll probably admit that our down turn in form on the pitch hasn't helped, i'd be lying otherwise.

Not so much bothered by pundits or media - when people tell you 'if you don't like it, don't listen or read it anymore' on here I decided I won't. Hasn't stopped some of the same people then having a moan themselves! haha!

Disillusioned right now for sure, but I'll never shake that feeling of what if with Spurs, so I'll forever be trapped.
I’ll always watch us no matter what happens. The 90’s were fucking awful and can you imagine the modern day fan putting up with that? Hank would have thrown himself off the Empire State Building. Tottenham is my team and no matter how shit they are always will be.
 
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I’ll always watch us no matter what happens. The 90’s were fucking awful and can you imagine the modern day fan putting up with that? Hank would have thrown himself off the Empire State Building. Tottenham is my team and no matter how shit they are always will be.
Oh that's fair.

Hence why I said I'm trapped, Spurs will always be 'what if' you'll never kick it, they're more addictive than crack, innit?
 

Gassin's finest

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I’ll always watch us no matter what happens. The 90’s were fucking awful and can you imagine the modern day fan putting up with that? Hank would have thrown himself off the Empire State Building. Tottenham is my team and no matter how shit they are always will be.
I get this completely... I've been supporting Spurs since '87. I think, though, that because we've had such a good succession of era's, from Jol, to Harry and then Poch, that we felt we had finally arrived back at the top; Title challenges, Champions League regulars and finalists... with an exciting team, a hugely popular manager, and the best centre forward we've had since Greaves... who was one of us no less.

For that to be brought to such a seemingly crashing end, brought about by the club's own shortsightedness, has really been tough to deal with for some.
 

dontcallme

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I'd have possibly disagreed at the time, but as the season has gone on and this flaw has been exposed time and time again you're 100% correct.

I also can't grasp how far back in a passage of play they can look for a handball. Does it have to literally be the touch before the goal, or can (as a pure example) Lo Celso receive a ball on the half-way line which bounces up and accidentally touches his arm, he plays it to Sissoko, who plays it down the line to Aurier, who's overhit cross reaches Son on the opposite flank, who pulls it back for Lucas to have a skewed shot which Kane touches home... does this get disallowed?
The rule just never made sense to me. If an action is deemed a handball then a free kick should be given. What happens after the ball has hit a player's hand should have no bearing. It doesn't in any other rule.

My favourite response to my original post:

"If at the end of the season we finish two points behind City with that goal having been given regardless of the fact that it never gets scored without Laporte’s arm, you accept that and don’t feel aggrieved? If so then good on you."

Yes, because my opinion on the rule wouldn't change regardless of the outcome. I either agree with it or I don't.
 

kendoddsdadsdogsdead

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I'd have possibly disagreed at the time, but as the season has gone on and this flaw has been exposed time and time again you're 100% correct.

I also can't grasp how far back in a passage of play they can look for a handball. Does it have to literally be the touch before the goal, or can (as a pure example) Lo Celso receive a ball on the half-way line which bounces up and accidentally touches his arm, he plays it to Sissoko, who plays it down the line to Aurier, who's overhit cross reaches Son on the opposite flank, who pulls it back for Lucas to have a skewed shot which Kane touches home... does this get disallowed?

Yep. How closely do they check every goal as well. A lot of times if you control the ball on your chest it can fractionally brush your arm. Are they always checking for that. It all seems to depend on what the broadcasters show and replays and the angles they provide. Why as well do they quickly give certain tight offside calls I’m thinking Salah against Man City earlier in the season and Utd against Brighton the other night and others they get the lines out. Doesn’t seem very transparent to me.
 

Gilzeanking

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Early in his career one of jose's lauded qualities was having the charisma and man management skill to be able to persuade huge stars to buy into his version of the game.

One of the criticisms he has faced later on in his career was that for what ever reason (loss of passion/enjoyment of the game) he can't seem to re create that.

I think if it isn't getting results the players get bored incredibly quickly. Let's hope the results come.

Yes , Jose appears bored rather than champing at the bit to succeed . That originally motivating charisma has ebbed away imo...hence
our players can seem short on motivation at times . This can't work in 2020 Prem...in Jose's heyday, mebbe less critical when having some of the best players in the world , but now...
 

RickyVilla

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I get this completely... I've been supporting Spurs since '87. I think, though, that because we've had such a good succession of era's, from Jol, to Harry and then Poch, that we felt we had finally arrived back at the top; Title challenges, Champions League regulars and finalists... with an exciting team, a hugely popular manager, and the best centre forward we've had since Greaves... who was one of us no less.

For that to be brought to such a seemingly crashing end, brought about by the club's own shortsightedness, has really been tough to deal with for some.
1980 for myself and am used to the disappointment now. Nothings going to change the joy and the pain it brings. Still the joy is a bit more special and the pain is pretty numb these days. That’s what comes with all these years.
 

Gassin's finest

C'est diabolique
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1980 for myself and am used to the disappointment now. Nothings going to change the joy and the pain it brings. Still the joy is a bit more special and the pain is pretty numb these days. That’s what comes with all these years.
My first half decade of being a spurs fan was so good. Hoddle, Waddle, Gazza, Lineker... FA cups, 3rd place finishes. Little did I know how much the next decade would suck.
 

teok

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he is you know!

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chinaman

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I'm calling it now jose out at the end of the season and a dream team of mido and dimitar berbatov in to propel us back into the champions league.


Mido to be special adviser to N'Dombele on special diet.
 
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