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SpartanSpur

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He just needs to cheer the fuck up and start enjoying the game again.
There's no question that he knows his stuff but his biggest fault now appears to be man management, which wasnt the case in his early days at Chelsea.
He created a great team spirit there but it feels like, at every club since, instead of creating that 'us against the world' mentality, he's created an 'everyone against Jose' mentality.

I had similar thoughts about Jose wanting the Spurs job after he was so complimentary about us on Sky. I bet we are one of the top jobs he's hoping becomes available, and Levy tried to get him in the past.

I totally agree with what everyone is saying about him and Levy but I do think it would be an interesting option IF Poch leaves (please stay 5+ years Mauricio!). I agree about the 'everyone against Jose' mentality which seems to have happened since he went to Real Madrid, but I think that's because the profile of player changed. He went from young and hungry teams in Porto and Chelsea (first spell), and a very professional and hungry Inter side. His last 3 big jobs he has had issues with player power, notably prima donnas like Ronaldo, Ramos, Hazard and Pogba (we saw at Chelsea how quickly Conte got bombed out by the players too).

I actually think the Spurs squad would be primed for Jose right now, if he could get his mojo back. Super talented but importantly team players that are thirsty for success. Hopefully it'll never come to that and Poch will build a dynasty!
 

Shadydan

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I had similar thoughts about Jose wanting the Spurs job after he was so complimentary about us on Sky. I bet we are one of the top jobs he's hoping becomes available, and Levy tried to get him in the past.

I totally agree with what everyone is saying about him and Levy but I do think it would be an interesting option IF Poch leaves (please stay 5+ years Mauricio!). I agree about the 'everyone against Jose' mentality which seems to have happened since he went to Real Madrid, but I think that's because the profile of player changed. He went from young and hungry teams in Porto and Chelsea (first spell), and a very professional and hungry Inter side. His last 3 big jobs he has had issues with player power, notably prima donnas like Ronaldo, Ramos, Hazard and Pogba (we saw at Chelsea how quickly Conte got bombed out by the players too).

I actually think the Spurs squad would be primed for Jose right now, if he could get his mojo back. Super talented but importantly team players that are thirsty for success. Hopefully it'll never come to that and Poch will build a dynasty!

He pissed off half the Man Utd team, Shaw, Martial, Rashford to name a few, it wasn't just Pogba and he kept criticising them in public..

His biggest problem is that his management methods are dated, players these days need an arm round their shoulder and have a weaker mentality as opposed to those who were playing for his teams in his peak. Look at his Chelsea and Inter teams - he created sides full of character and players who can manage themselves and stand up, nowadays those players are few and far between.
 

shelfmonkey

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In today's game of outrageous transfer fees I think players have now clicked that running down a contract means higher wages at the next club.
If clubs can get a player without the transfer fee of 50 to 60 million they can give that transfer fee in wages for the length of the contract.
Expect to see a lot more players running down contracts

I hate to break it to ya, but Ramsey didn't want to leave, it was Ar5ena1 that wouldn't give him a contract. Different situation entirely.
 

shelfmonkey

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Genuinely one of the most memorable posts I've ever seen. I still laugh when I read it now:

I wonder what happened to Kuwaity? Do you reckon he got off his nut on 10 pints of petrol then went outside for a fag?:cool:
 
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Sweech

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Jun 27, 2013
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If he was to leave Mourinho you would be all over it. He's been flirting with us for a while, and always has good things to say about us. Not that I would want him but he would definitely want us.
Definitely don't want Mourinho. Think he's past his best as a manager and he would be the absolute worst fit for our ethos and with Levy.

Would far sooner go for someone like Jardim or Hasenhuttl. Also keen to see how Marco Rose and Paulo Fonseca get on this season as they could both be fantastic managers.
 

JCRD

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I hate to break it to ya, but Ramsey didn't want to leave, it was Ar5ena1 that wouldn't give him a contract. Different situation entirely.

I think they offered him a contract but not on the wages he wanted... but i could be totally wrong
 

beats1

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This would not be a trend exclusive for Spurs, though.
He makes a good point, Wrighty, but he's wrong if he thinks it's only going to be an issue at Spurs.
Has he forgotten about Ramsey already?
Wrighty talks sense but in this case he is just pointing out the Bosman rule. Some players will always opt to let their contracts down - that's nothing new.
I dont think he is saying its a trend exclusive for us, we have been famous for never letting players run down their deals as we have often sold players before they even get to that final year or they risk not playing.

He qualifies with a sentence before saying we have always been ones who give incremental deals each season

Unfortunately he is right, next season we have 3 players available to leave for free, which is almost unheard of, under Levy
 

Metalhead

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I dont think he is saying its a trend exclusive for us, we have been famous for never letting players run down their deals as we have often sold players before they even get to that final year or they risk not playing.

He qualifies with a sentence before saying we have always been ones who give incremental deals each season

Unfortunately he is right, next season we have 3 players available to leave for free, which is almost unheard of, under Levy
The answer being to be winning silverware to make players less likely to want to leave although of course in order to do so we need to hold onto our best players. Winning silverware of course means that we then get to attract out of contract players too.
 

jezz

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I hate to break it to ya, but Ramsey didn't want to leave, it was Ar5ena1 that wouldn't give him a contract. Different situation entirely.
They offered him a contract then withdrew it.
I never mentioned Ramsey in my post.
 

RichieS

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The answer being to be winning silverware to make players less likely to want to leave although of course in order to do so we need to hold onto our best players. Winning silverware of course means that we then get to attract out of contract players too.
This is such a lame get-out/excuse for players. They are the ones who need to be better in order for us to take this perceived "final step" - our squad has been plenty good enough to have won something over the last few seasons but they have invariably found new and creative ways to fuck it up in the latter stages of competitions. The old "leaving to win trophies" line doesn't wash with me anymore I'm afraid.
 
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mattyspurs

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This is such a lame get-out/excuse for players. They are the ones who need to be better in order for us to take this perceived "final step" - our squad has been plenty good enough to have won something over the last few seasons but they have invariably found new and creative ways to fuck it up in the latter stages of competitions. The old "leaving to win trophies" line doesn't wash anymore with me anymore I'm afraid.
Bang on. I’ve said this many a time.

What is it in Pochs tenure? 2 finals and 3 semis?
 

beats1

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The answer being to be winning silverware to make players less likely to want to leave although of course in order to do so we need to hold onto our best players. Winning silverware of course means that we then get to attract out of contract players too.
I honestly dont think getting trophies will make a difference until either we are winning the league or champions league but even then, imo they will leave as soon as another club comes in offering 400k a week

Also we have always attracted free agents but the top free agents dont tend to be allowed to leave for free, someone at eriksens age, entering their prime whilst being at that level has only happened twice from my memory and that's Campbell and Lewandoski.
This is such a lame get-out/excuse for players. They are the ones who need to be better in order for us to take this perceived "final step" - our squad has been plenty good enough to have won something over the last few seasons but they have invariably found new and creative ways to fuck it up in the latter stages of competitions. The old "leaving to win trophies" line doesn't wash with me anymore I'm afraid.
I personally think players like people will go for the easiest route, nobody wants a challenge, they want guaranteed success
 

stevenurse

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I've given up with the mainstream pundits. They know absolutely fuck all. All are 'yer da' type outdated dinosaurs, the lot of em. Some of the worst being the gaggle of thunder***** that appear on talksport etc, but the Skysports lot are probably the worst.
 

Metalhead

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This is such a lame get-out/excuse for players. They are the ones who need to be better in order for us to take this perceived "final step" - our squad has been plenty good enough to have won something over the last few seasons but they have invariably found new and creative ways to fuck it up in the latter stages of competitions. The old "leaving to win trophies" line doesn't wash with me anymore I'm afraid.
I'm sure that a lot of players in that situation will think: "it's not me that has the wrong mentality, it's the other players. I need to be in a team that has better players in it."
 

punkisback

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Levy and Jose would never get on from a business perspective so I don't think there's much chance of that, he wouldn't promote youth players and wouldn't use the academy which the club have invested big money in and Jose would get frustrated at the way we sign players and reluctant to get deals done and he'll end up pissing our players off anyway. I think Jose does want another Premier League job though, not sure who else is there to go to that would accept him out of the top 6.
Levy and Jose do get on personally I hear! But yes from a business end it wouldn’t work. Jose admires Levy very much.
 
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