What Stops You Attending a Protest/Demonstration Against Levy/Enic?

[Dunc2610]

My biggest concern is that like every other protest there aren’t actually many fans joining in. This one has gained a fair amount of media protest so if it’s only a few hundred fans then it’s going to have the complete opposite effect.

And that is a huge part of the issue, we all love to moan, but when it comes down to it, how much do we actually want to take action? There just isn't much of a price to go out our way and do something, for whatever of the many reasons there are.

 

[WiganSpur]

And that is a huge part of the issue, we all love to moan, but when it comes down to it, how much do we actually want to take action? There just isn't much of a price to go out our way and do something, for whatever of the many reasons there are.

There are other ways to protest though. Personally I’d find it much easier to stop giving any money to the club aside from perhaps memberships and the odd ticket. ST holders and members may not want to stop going and that’s fair enough. But they can easily stop buying beer and food in the ground, as well as anything from the club shop. It’s pretty easy to just hang around nearby pubs and make your way in 10 minutes before the game. Its also easy to get kits and Spurs merch from Vinted/Ebay/Depop these days.

 

[Dunc2610]

There are other ways to protest though. Personally I’d find it much easier to stop giving any money to the club aside from perhaps memberships and the odd ticket. ST holders and members may not want to stop going and that’s fair enough. But they can easily stop buying beer and food in the ground, as well as anything from the club shop. It’s pretty easy to just hang around nearby pubs and make your way in 10 minutes before the game.

Money is the only language he talks, but again there's no appetite for people to give up season tickets, or not go to matches, and there'll never be enough people not spending money on Spurs to make enough of a difference to the bottom line.

 

[riggi]

Ah, marching to a stadium to attend a game you'd attend anyway and singing a couple of songs. My favourite kind of protest.

The only thing that might even have an inkling of a chance of working is bums off seats, empty stadiums and no revenue in from merch, food and drink. And even that probably wouldn't work.

We are a fanbase that thought turning our backs to the pitch for 60 seconds would make an impact.

Let that sink in.

 

[Albertbarich]

Money is the only language he talks, but again there's no appetite for people to give up season tickets, or not go to matches, and there'll never be enough people not spending money on Spurs to make enough of a difference to the bottom line.

I think people have to effect his money.

He will need to pull more than the usual PR this time because you can feel the anger rising and rising. And if it boils over the songs will get nastier and louder, the protests will become more disruptive and his partners and sponsors will be right in the firing line.

He really needs Ange to turn it around and quickly.

 

[tottenhamlad]

It's impossible but one empty stadium would probably do the trick. If everyone could organise a game not to go.

That would be the ultimate protest. Especially a sky game on a Sunday.

 

[Dunc2610]

It's impossible but one empty stadium would probably do the trick. If everyone could organise a game not to go.

That would be the ultimate protest. Especially a sky game on a Sunday.

Would never happen because a) not everyone is 'Levy Out' and b) not everyone cares enough.

 

[E17yid]

I’m one of them. Kind of.

Look - I’d be happy with a takeover by the right people. Preferably Arabs with a shit ton of cash and a huge ego to satisfy.

but I’m not pro-actively ENIC out just for the sake of ENIC out.

Why? I think there is a fair chance we could end up in a worse position. You only have to look at United to see how badly it could go - and that’s a fan supposedly. Now imagine that was some private equity backed fund. Could be worse 10 fold.

I also don’t think the ENIC model is all that bad. We are having a bad year on the pitch, but injuries have a huge part to play.

I agree with what you’re saying generally speaking but personally, obviously depending on who it was, but I wouldn’t want to be state owned by some despot who tortures and murders their own population and wants to use us in some kind of sport washing sense. A lot of things can be said about Levy but he’s not a murderer or slave owner.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I think people have to effect his money.

He will need to pull more than the usual PR this time because you can feel the anger rising and rising. And if it boils over the songs will get nastier and louder, the protests will become more disruptive and his partners and sponsors will be right in the firing line.

He really needs Ange to turn it around and quickly.

The only thing that will affect his money enough at this stage is an acceptable bid for the club.

 

[Albertbarich]

The only thing that will affect his money enough at this stage is an acceptable bid for the club.

I disagree. Make enough noise and disruption and that affects sponsors and partners. Indirect hits on his money are far more effective than he would want us to believe.

 

[Trix]

Ok so I have decided to take up an invitation to the game on Sunday, but I am unsure whether I can make the early protests, because I think there will be a clash time wise with the pre match val-au-vents.

 

[easley91]

Would never happen because a) not everyone is 'Levy Out' and b) not everyone cares enough.

And c) some people actually want to go and watch the games and support the team.

I know that's a weird concept to some.

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I disagree. Make enough noise and disruption and that affects sponsors and partners. Indirect hits on his money are far more effective than he would want us to believe.

There were quite large ENIC protests in the past, when the club was worth a tiny fraction of what it is now.

They had little to no effect then.

They’ll have less now.

And as others have pointed out, many people want to go to the game and watch the football, cheer on the team and go home again, and maybe spend a bit in the shops and bars.

Despite the awful results we’ve suffered over the last year or so, for reasons even we here don’t all agree on, there is nothing like the unanimity needed for protests to have any real effect.

Another reason for that may be this often-voiced opinion:

that until you know who might take over, many fans are not convinced that forcing ENIC out against their will, (even if it were possible) will necessarily improve the club or attract the best owners.

If only it were that easy.

 

[Albertbarich]

There were quite large ENIC protests in the past, when the club was worth a tiny fraction of what it is now.

They had little to no effect then.

They’ll have less now.

And as others have pointed out, many people want to go to the game and watch the football, cheer on the team and go home again, and maybe spend a bit in the shops and bars.

Despite the awful results we’ve suffered over the last year or so, for reasons even we here don’t all agree on, there is nothing like the unanimity needed for protests to have any real effect.

Another reason for that may be this often-voiced opinion:

that until you know who might take over, many fans are not convinced that forcing ENIC out against their will, (even if it were possible) will necessarily improve the club or attract the best owners.

If only it were that easy.

Ok but that’s just a list of reasons why people may not protest/want Enic out. I don’t agree with them but that’s their right and I ain’t about to change their mind.

Nobody said it would be easy but I strongly believe that if people make their voice heard and make life awkward for sponsors and partners that indirectly effects his money and position.

 

[E17yid]

Ok but that’s just a list of reasons why people may not protest/want Enic out. I don’t agree with them but that’s their right and I ain’t about to change their mind.

Nobody said it would be easy but I strongly believe that if people make their voice heard and make life awkward for sponsors and partners that indirectly effects his money and position.

I’d rather people save their energy to protest any potential despot Lewis sells us to. Peoples lives kinda feels more important than winning some trophies.

 

[Albertbarich]

I’d rather people save their energy to protest any potential despot Lewis sells us to. Peoples lives kinda feels more important than winning some trophies.

That’s a huge leap you’re making to defend them.

 

[E17yid]

That’s a huge leap you’re making to defend them.

If we got bought by the Qataris (which is what’s being reported at the moment although it’s probably BS) then I would much more likely be willing to protest that than ENIC.

If you don’t have any problem with that that’s fine, obviously, I just find it interesting.

 

[Albertbarich]

If we got bought by the Qataris (which is what’s being reported at the moment although it’s probably BS) then I would much more likely be willing to protest that than ENIC.

If you don’t have any problem with that that’s fine, obviously, I just find it interesting.

It’s the same rumour that always pops up when people moan about Enic. The rumour also states it’s a private Qatari not the government or are all people from their evil?

im bored of this be careful what you wish for game people like to play to defend these scummy property developers . I’ll happily have the debate if and when it happens but it hasn’t and if you have to use a totally hypothetical scenario to defend them I’d say that’s shakey grounds.

if you want them to stay, stick your chest out and say it . I don’t agree but at least it’s honest.

 

[E17yid]

It’s the same rumour that always pops up when people moan about Enic. The rumour also states it’s a private Qatari not the government or are all people from their evil?

im bored of this be careful what you wish for game people like to play to defend these scummy property developers . I’ll happily have the debate if and when it happens but it hasn’t and if you have to use a totally hypothetical scenario to defend them I’d say that’s shakey grounds.

if you want them to stay, stick your chest out and say it . I don’t agree but at least it’s honest.

I agree it makes much more sense to discuss it when something more concrete is out there rather than these BS links.

The be careful what you wish for argument is more used in a Leeds sense not in a moral sense. But yes, we’d have to evaluate it when/if the time comes.

I’ve flip flopped a lot over the “would you want to become a new city” debate but I must admit, the way the world has gone last few years, makes me lean a lot more towards not wanting to sell our soul so if it was a choice between Qatar owning us, or someone with strong links, then it would be ENIC for me.

 

[WhiteStripe]

And that is a huge part of the issue, we all love to moan, but when it comes down to it, how much do we actually want to take action? There just isn't much of a price to go out our way and do something, for whatever of the many reasons there are.

Don’t worry Dunc….ill be there…with bells on. Well not literally bells….that would be weird.