What our opponents' fans are saying about us 18/19

[Bobbins]

I saw us beat ac milan at the san siro. That was a fantastic memory.
I watched us get a 1-1 draw at the nou camp.
Singing north london's a shit hole in madrid.
I'll be going to madrid again even though i haven't got tickets. Even if we lose it is going to be mental.

You talk of failure, i have had some of the best times of my life with this team over the last decade. So you are wrong.

Ok, I mean it's not like other people could have an opinion of their own or anything, especially when I'm literally technically correct

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

the view from this ajax fans vlog is great for our goals!!

Can watch this all day long!!

That actually made me a little emotional for the lad. It's easy to enjoy a wonderful win, but to remember the other side of the coin is heartbreaking.........unless it's Arsenal.......they can go fuck 'emselves and I'll laugh my tits off at their expense!

 

[walworthyid]

...but the whole of football is infected with this kind of thinking, including a lot of SC members. They have this concept that there is some kind of indelible "character" to a club that persists through decades, despite the ownership, the stadium, the players and the entire staff changing multiple times.

Fans of all clubs constantly refer to their "tradition", as if the successes of yesteryear have any causal bearing on the present. They don't, it's purely delusional.

There are clubs that serially underachieve, Newcastle being the obvious example, but that's attributable to the continuity of bad ownership and management over a long period. It isn't a mystical quality that is attached permanently to the club, any more than Tottenham are fated to remain "Spursy" in perpetuity. Nor do Arsenal merely have to show up to win because of what they achieved in the 30s and 00s.

This is a lesson that Man Utd fans have learned the hard way since Ferguson retired. It's a lesson that Liverpool fans should have learned 25-30 years ago. And it's something they know all about in Sheffield.

It's yet another version, well-camouflaged in this case, of the gambler's fallacy: the notion that past random (or in this case, unconnected) events affect present and future random events.

Sorry but I just do not agree. It's something that I have thought about; what is the character of a club?

My feeling is that although technically you are right of course, things that happened 50 years ago at a club do not directly impact what happens today, they certainly do indirectly. For example, we have always been known as a footballing side. So that impacts what the fans expect to see, which in turn affects the managers we get, the players we buy, the tactics we adopt. It also obviously affects our results because times where we may need to grind results out, we dont because it isn't what we do, especially at home.

All of that is not to say that it never changes. Arsenal fans now expect good football because of the Wenger years, UTD are the same, as are pool, city, Chelsea.

Clubs most certainly do have a character in my opinion.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Sorry but I just do not agree. It's something that I have thought about; what is the character of a club?

My feeling is that although technically you are right of course, things that happened 50 years ago at a club do not directly impact what happens today, they certainly do indirectly. For example, we have always been known as a footballing side. So that impacts what the fans expect to see, which in turn affects the managers we get, the players we buy, the tactics we adopt. It also obviously affects our results because times where we may need to grind results out, we dont because it isn't what we do, especially at home.

All of that is not to say that it never changes. Arsenal fans now expect good football because of the Wenger years, UTD are the same, as are pool, city, Chelsea.

Clubs most certainly do have a character in my opinion.

I agree with all the bold bit. But it's not really connected to what I was discussing. Which was about "fate" and "luck" and the notion that historical results affect today's results because the name of the club is the same. Superstition.

They're separate topics.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

I get sick of our fans looking down their noses at Chelsea for not having history.
Everything they've won in the last 20 years is now a part of their history. And they've now won much more than we have.

 

[walworthyid]

I get sick of our fans looking down their noses at Chelsea for not having history.
Everything they've won in the last 20 years is now a part of their history. And they've now won much more than we have.

Yes, but they have done it without any class. They are a rich man's hobby.

To me they will never be anything more than west ham in disguise.

Rotten, odious, racist club.

I dislike them far more than arsenal or any other club.

That being said, I will want them to beat the scum in the carabao cup, I mean, Europa league final!

 

[Spurger King]

I agree with all the bold bit. But it's not really connected to what I was discussing. Which was about "fate" and "luck" and the notion that historical results affect today's results because the name of the club is the same. Superstition.

They're separate topics.

I’m not sure they are.

They become intertwined when the belief in their relevance becomes a tangible force in the attitudes of fans and their influence on a present day game.

 

[Dillspur]

I get sick of our fans looking down their noses at Chelsea for not having history.
Everything they've won in the last 20 years is now a part of their history. And they've now won much more than we have.

If they had done it organically, through years of steady improvement, promoting youth, living within their means, spending wisely and improving facilities then fair play, but they didn't, they won the lottery and as the saying goes money can't buy class

 

[KingKay]

I’ve probably just pissed off half of Manchester waking round singing Spurs songs ?

 

[kremlyn]

Depends which half

 

[SpartanSpur]

I get sick of our fans looking down their noses at Chelsea for not having history.
Everything they've won in the last 20 years is now a part of their history. And they've now won much more than we have.

Everything they have won will have an asterisk (edit) next to it, same as City. Financially doped success, from questionable sources. It's a bigger part of their history than their honours.

They won the lottery. Had it happened to Spurs I'd have gladly taken it, but it hasn't, and if we somehow win this CL it'd be worth more than everything City and Chelsea have won with oil money for me.

They did have a history before, to be fair (city too), it just wasn't anywhere near as impressive.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

Everything they have won will have an asterix* next to it...

* Asterisk.

 

[Ionman34]

* Asterisk.

Nah...

 

[HobbitSpur]

If they had done it organically, through years of steady improvement, promoting youth, living within their means, spending wisely and improving facilities then fair play, but they didn't, they won the lottery and as the saying goes money can't buy class

It is easy to preach this standing on our pedestal.

We have been forced to rise through the ranks with limited spending because we have not had the wealth available to us.

Yes people can say that Joe Lewis has billions and is the x richest man in the world but he has chosen not to spend it, and he is the owner and that is his prerogative.

How many people here would have been made up if Abramovich had decided to plough his millions into us rather than the scum down the road 16 years ago.

We cry out for major signings every transfer window, we moan when we don't make these signings because they are not within our budget.

We scream that we are losing out because as a club we are not spending gazillions improving our squad, yet we ridicule clubs who spend more than us stating that it is not the right way.

Yes we have overachieved massively considering our spending.

But if we had the choice to continue how we are, or get a buyer who was willing to spend whatever it took to really challenge with the elite on a regular basis, I think most of us would choose the latter.

 

[HobbitSpur]

If we do win. Should we change our badge to reflect it. Put a star in the ball or something?

No. There is only room for one star in the ball. ?

 

[HobbitSpur]

...but the whole of football is infected with this kind of thinking, including a lot of SC members. They have this concept that there is some kind of indelible "character" to a club that persists through decades, despite the ownership, the stadium, the players and the entire staff changing multiple times.

Fans of all clubs constantly refer to their "tradition", as if the successes of yesteryear have any causal bearing on the present. They don't, it's purely delusional.

There are clubs that serially underachieve, Newcastle being the obvious example, but that's attributable to the continuity of bad ownership and management over a long period. It isn't a mystical quality that is attached permanently to the club, any more than Tottenham are fated to remain "Spursy" in perpetuity. Nor do Arsenal merely have to show up to win because of what they achieved in the 30s and 00s.

This is a lesson that Man Utd fans have learned the hard way since Ferguson retired. It's a lesson that Liverpool fans should have learned 25-30 years ago. And it's something they know all about in Sheffield.

It's yet another version, well-camouflaged in this case, of the gambler's fallacy: the notion that past random (or in this case, unconnected) events affect present and future random events.

I agree.

Every club has its traditions, but these are mainly held by the supporters.

We all live in this bubble fantasy to a certain extent but in reality it is just Triggers Broom Syndrome.

 

[BorisTM]

https://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?topic=342735.760

Starts here...best late goal in history on Page 38.

I don't know how many of them are English but some of them have to be, and it is really messed up that they would have rather had Ajax win the game, with a 50% chance to win the final, than Spurs to win it and a 100% chance for an English team to win the final.

 

[spud]

I don't know how many of them are English but some of them have to be, and it is really messed up that they would have rather had Ajax win the game, with a 50% chance to win the final, than Spurs to win it and a 100% chance for an English team to win the final.

I disagree.

I would much rather be playing Barcelona than Liverpool, and I would much rather that the Europa final was between Valencia and Frankfurt. Why? Because Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are our rivals, and I don't want any of our rivals to have any success. At all. Ever. Particularly at our expense, which might happen on June 1st.

The teams playing in the finals are from England, but they're not representing England. They represent themselves. If another team from England wins a european trophy it doesn't benefit Spurs. It might indirectly benefit the Premier League, but it doesn't benefit England. It only benefits that club.

So I'm with the mickeys on this one. Fuck having an all-english final. The only success that I want english teams that aren't Spurs to have in Europe is to do well enough to maintain the UEFA coefficient in order to maintain four clubs in the CL. So that Spurs can have a better chance of qualifying every year. After that is achieved, I hope they all lose 8-0 on aggregate to the champions of Azerbaijan.

 

[SpunkyBackpack]

I'm really enjoying this 'What our fans are saying about our opponents' thread.

 

[HailKingLevy]

I'm really enjoying this 'What our fans are saying about our opponents' thread.

I think it has taken a nice turn, now we know what our opponents were thinking 60 years ago.

As you were.