What our opponents' fans are saying about us 18/19

[ernie78]

That’s the biggest sin of all!

It looks like it stinks of stale fags

 

[midoNdefoe]

lol, let me know how that works out for you.

I give you: The turd polishing process...

 

[chinaman]

Further to what Rez’ is saying.

Guardiola also looks a twat in that cardigan.

A she-man

 

[wirE]

For me, this is so British. Classic British one would say

 

[C0YS]

Forgive me, COYS, but I’d argue that one is either opposed to oppression or one isn’t.

I’d further argue that Guardiola does try to paint an image of the man of principle as evidenced by his refusal to remove his yellow ribbon when told to by football authorities.

Although I vehemently disagree with the FA’s stance in prohibiting gestures like that, the point is that Guardiola is making the gesture as a symbol of solidarity with Catalonian political prisoners and described it as “a humanitarian gesture”.

I would question the integrity of someone who makes statements about humanitarianism on national and international media platforms but takes the money of individuals who engage in the bombing of civilians in Yemen, who perpetuate the oppression of women and gays, who forcibly disappear dissenting voices (the equivalent of those the Spanish have jailed in Catalonia), who conduct extrajudicial murder, who codify serfdom in their labour laws through their kafalah system.

If claiming to stand on the side of humanitarianism while your living is funded by those who are fundamentally opposed to it isn’t rank hypocrisy, I struggle to think what is...

It's not an important arguement but again I stress humanitarianism for who? Say Scotland was the main country in the UK and they can to London and battered the hell out of people voting and arrested pro London or England politicians. People will be up in arms about it from London. London being a very multicultural city, those very same people might also have interests in highly questionable states. But in both cases they would be following there interests.

It is possible to pick and choose struggles and actually everybody does it. We all knowingly or unknowingly contribute to oppression by our consumption do to stand against something or forms of oppression would everyone, at least slightly, hypocritical. I agree that in guardiola is slightly different because verbal approval.

But I'll put it in another way. There are woman who are feminists but also racist. There are black men who are anti racist campaigners but are super sexist. None of these people are particularly ethically sound but none of them are hypocrites because they are standing for themselves, they are supporting 'humanitarian' things etc for their own interests, this isn't a bad thing it's kind of a natural thing. But there is no reason to make the link that this means that they support other global issues at all.

Particularly as a large part of the arrested Catalonian politicians are essentially Tories. At the time Catalonia had a conservative majority and independence is by enlarge a middle-class thing and there are some elements of a belief that it's Spain letting them down, that they are contributing all this money to subsidize poorer regions. The support for politicians in Catalonia is partly a support for politicians who themselves are not particularly positioned against oppression and have middle class interests.

For me guardiola's interests are compatible, and if not that then definitely logical. I think the problem is that people here see them as two outside issues rather then for guardiola would be something deeply related identity and nationality over personal beliefs. I'm sure he is a pretty conservative guy who doesnt really care about workers conditions etc. But he does care about his perceived nationality. Which very much in keeping with majority of centre right/right wing people.

 

[tommo84]

From some Huddersfield fan (@Stevros1988) on social media;

Attention all @SpursOfficial fans. Ben Hamer is starting in goal for @htafcdotcom on Saturday. If you want some easy cash, get on 4-0/5-0/6-0 correct scores. Absolutely garbage keeper. Bucketload of goals guaranteed. You're welcome #htafc #thfc #spurs

Freakish away clean sheet coming up ?

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

From KUMB - We really are their cup final.

can we not talk about how marvellous the new stadium is as there is enough of that on sky,BT and BBC !

yes its better than ours
yes their team is better
yes their future looks better

do I care , no because no matter how poor we are and how good they are I will always be a hammer and hope we stuff them at their new place in a few weeks.

we all know that wont happen but I have a dream !

 

[SlotBadger]

From some Huddersfield fan (@Stevros1988) on social media;



Freakish away clean sheet coming up ?

He must be truly awful if they're unhappy Lössl's not playing!

 

[Adam456]

With that much money you'd think he'd be able to afford a bikini top

 

[rez9000]

It's not an important arguement but again I stress humanitarianism for who? Say Scotland was the main country in the UK and they can to London and battered the hell out of people voting and arrested pro London or England politicians. People will be up in arms about it from London. London being a very multicultural city, those very same people might also have interests in highly questionable states. But in both cases they would be following there interests.

It is possible to pick and choose struggles and actually everybody does it. We all knowingly or unknowingly contribute to oppression by our consumption do to stand against something or forms of oppression would everyone, at least slightly, hypocritical. I agree that in guardiola is slightly different because verbal approval.

But I'll put it in another way. There are woman who are feminists but also racist. There are black men who are anti racist campaigners but are super sexist. None of these people are particularly ethically sound but none of them are hypocrites because they are standing for themselves, they are supporting 'humanitarian' things etc for their own interests, this isn't a bad thing it's kind of a natural thing. But there is no reason to make the link that this means that they support other global issues at all.

Particularly as a large part of the arrested Catalonian politicians are essentially Tories. At the time Catalonia had a conservative majority and independence is by enlarge a middle-class thing and there are some elements of a belief that it's Spain letting them down, that they are contributing all this money to subsidize poorer regions. The support for politicians in Catalonia is partly a support for politicians who themselves are not particularly positioned against oppression and have middle class interests.

For me guardiola's interests are compatible, and if not that then definitely logical. I think the problem is that people here see them as two outside issues rather then for guardiola would be something deeply related identity and nationality over personal beliefs. I'm sure he is a pretty conservative guy who doesnt really care about workers conditions etc. But he does care about his perceived nationality. Which very much in keeping with majority of centre right/right wing people.

Again, I hope you can forgive me for saying so, but you're underlying argument is flawed - a racist feminist is a hypocrite because he/she demands a fundamental condition for one group but denies it to another: equality.

It's not a question of picking and choosing struggles. There is a difference between being interested or active in one sphere while not paying much attention to others. That's fine. There are so many problems all around the world that covering them all is impossible. No-one has said he's hypocritical because he isn't an activist in UAE affairs. That's not the argument.

Say I had a company, let's call it RezCo. I hire you and then when it comes to payday, I beat one of my other employees to death so they don't need a pay packet and then the money I was going to give them I give to you. How comfortable would you be in taking that money? Would you be able to find it in yourself to say, 'well, because I'm not actually active in RezCo's corporate policy, but am interested in the practises of DougalCo (sorry, Dougal!), this money's fine.'?

His paycheque is paid for by the blood of indentured workers, disappeared dissenters, tortured gay people, oppressed women - all of which the regime in Abu Dhabi use to maintain their power and exploit their natural resources to enrich themselves. Any money they use is tainted and there is absolutely no way that he doesn't know that.

His own words are that his stance on Catalonian political prisoners is a 'humanitarian' one. Are Catalonians the only humans? Or are all humans humans? If he's a humanitarian, then the political suppression of any human being is wrong in his eyes, regardless of whether he's active in their struggle or not.

The only thing that would invalidate that contention is if he believes that only the struggle of Catalonian people matters by virtue of them being Catalonian. That would make him a racist. And therefore a hypocrite.

So, he's either a hypocrite because he believes that only the oppression of Catalonians is wrong and no other people. Or he's a hypocrite because he believes that the oppression of all people is wrong but still takes money from oppressors.

As you can see, the wealth, the geography, the ethnic connection - none of those is relevant. As I said earlier - either one is opposed to oppression or not. There is no 'well, I don't like that oppression, but this oppression is OK.' Oppression is oppression.

He can't have it both ways - he can't claim to be a humanitarian while directly benefiting from inhumaninty. You can't decry torture while being paid by torturers, you can't decry murders while taking money from murderers. It's not complex and it's not grey. It's very much black and white, I'm afraid.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Again, I hope you can forgive me for saying so, but you're underlying argument is flawed - a racist feminist is a hypocrite because he/she demands a fundamental condition for one group but denies it to another: equality.

It's not a question of picking and choosing struggles. There is a difference between being interested or active in one sphere while not paying much attention to others. That's fine. There are so many problems all around the world that covering them all is impossible. No-one has said he's hypocritical because he isn't an activist in UAE affairs. That's not the argument.

Say I had a company, let's call it RezCo. I hire you and then when it comes to payday, I beat one of my other employees to death so they don't need a pay packet and then the money I was going to give them I give to you. How comfortable would you be in taking that money? Would you be able to find it in yourself to say, 'well, because I'm not actually active in RezCo's corporate policy, but am interested in the practises of DougalCo (sorry, Dougal!), this money's fine.'?

His paycheque is paid for by the blood of indentured workers, disappeared dissenters, tortured gay people, oppressed women - all of which the regime in Abu Dhabi use to maintain their power and exploit their natural resources to enrich themselves. Any money they use is tainted and there is absolutely no way that he doesn't know that.

His own words are that his stance on Catalonian political prisoners is a 'humanitarian' one. Are Catalonians the only humans? Or are all humans humans? If he's a humanitarian, then the political suppression of any human being is wrong in his eyes, regardless of whether he's active in their struggle or not.

The only thing that would invalidate that contention is if he believes that only the struggle of Catalonian people matters by virtue of them being Catalonian. That would make him a racist. And therefore a hypocrite.

So, he's either a hypocrite because he believes that only the oppression of Catalonians is wrong and no other people. Or he's a hypocrite because he believes that the oppression of all people is wrong but still takes money from oppressors?

As you can see, the wealth, the geography, the ethnic connection - none of those is relevant. As I said earlier - either one is opposed to oppression or not. There is no 'well, I don't like that oppression, but this oppression is OK.' Oppression is oppression.

He can't have it both ways - he can't claim to be a humanitarian while directly benefiting from inhumaninty. You can't decry torture while being paid by torturers, you can't decry murders while taking money from murderers. It's not complex and it's not grey. It's very much black and white, I'm afraid.

Not sure where to put this but with the current undertone this seems appropriate. You want human rights violations, i give you the Kings! These guys want to get involved in the English game after dominating and infesting the French League.

Qatar Sport Investments, the owners of Paris Saint-Germain, are looking to invest in a Championship club – with Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa and Queens Park Rangers among those said to be of interest. (Le Parisien)

I would NEVER want their blood money involved in my club. But if they are keen, bet your ass they will buy, and invest (or infest) heavily in the club. And I'd hope the supporters will voice their discontent (but we all know that will never happen!)

 

[rez9000]

Not sure where to put this but with the current undertone this seems appropriate. You want human rights violations, i give you the Kings! These guys want to get involved in the English game after dominating and infesting the French League.

Qatar Sport Investments, the owners of Paris Saint-Germain, are looking to invest in a Championship club – with Nottingham Forest, Aston Villa and Queens Park Rangers among those said to be of interest. (Le Parisien)

I would NEVER want their blood money involved in my club. But if they are keen, bet your ass they will buy, and invest (or infest) heavily in the club. And I'd hope the supporters will voice their discontent (but we all know that will never happen!)

The two are essentially the same - PSG is Qatar and Man City is UAE. You're absolutely right and I do condemn them equally. Man CIty are doing the same as PSG - they've now got New York City, Melbourne City in Australia, a club in Japan and Uruguay, Girona in Spain, and Sichuan Jiuniu in China. It's just we happened to be speaking about Man City is all.

Infestation is precisely the word - they spread like plagues.

 

[aussiespursguy]

The two are essentially the same - PSG is Qatar and Man City is UAE. You're absolutely right and I do condemn them equally. It's just we happened to be speaking about Man City is all.

They are both vile, i just think with the World cup being bought (oops i mean awarded) to Qatar and the amount of deaths on their bullshit worksites to "foreign slaves" they are the worse of 2 evils. Do not want them involved in the English game. It will end up a game of who can spend more.

 

[rez9000]

They are both vile, i just think with the World cup being bought (oops i mean awarded) to Qatar and the amount of deaths on their bullshit worksites to "foreign slaves" they are the worse of 2 evils. Do not want them involved in the English game. It will end up a game of who can spend more.

I edited my post a little after posting, aussie - added a little.

The two are virtually identical. What is never really seen is the fact that what PSG's owners and Man City's Al-Nahyans are doing is conducting a proxy war via business. The two countries are in a state of almost constant tension and all of this is just another aspect of these two scummy regimes needling the other, while trying to polish their turdy reputations.

EDIT: I'm a little concerned we're going wildly off-topic. I might set up a thread (if there isn't one already) in General Football.

 

[Yid_Summers]

I edited my post a little after posting, aussie - added a little.

The two are virtually identical. What is never really seen is the fact that what PSG's owners and Man City's Al-Nahyans are doing is conducting a proxy war via business. The two countries are in a state of almost constant tension and all of this is just another aspect of these two scummy regimes needling the other, while trying to polish their turdy reputations.

EDIT: I'm a little concerned we're going wildly off-topic. I might set up a thread (if there isn't one already) in General Football.

Please do set one up.

 

[NayimFTHL]

People actually talking about human rights?
What about Israel?
What about Chelsea and Abramovich?
Don't pick and choose a country/club when it suits you. Smh

 

[Gb160]

People actually talking about human rights?
What about Israel?
What about Chelsea and Abramovich?
Don't pick and choose a country/club when it suits you. Smh

We're discussing Pep, none of what you've mentioned is relevant to him.

 

[NayimFTHL]

We're discussing Pep, none of what you've mentioned is relevant to him.

The discussion is about Man city and UAE. It is relevant

 

[Gb160]

The discussion is about Man city and UAE. It is relevant

How so?

 

[NayimFTHL]

We shouldn't get on our high horse when it comes to discussing human rights.
Also at least pep is standing up for a situation personal to him