Werner rejoins on loan for 2024/25

[McFlash]

Are you another one of these Levy fan boys

FFS.

Why do you care how much money he's on anyway?
To be honest, I didn't really want to sign him permanently but to get a capable squad player, for a loan without a fee and one who already knows the team and system isn't a bad thing.

It gives us cover, money to spend elsewhere and doesn't provide a long-term block the youngsters.

I think you've got to be looking pretty hard to find a downside to this deal, to be honest.

 

[Yid-ol]

Postecoglou has said quite a few time now that we’ve been most disappointing in the forward positions. Johnson, kulusevski, Son, Richarlison and Maddison have all struggled at times. I’d assumed big changes were afoot.

I can’t see Johnson and Maddison being moved on after a single season, Son will be staying and he seems to like Kulusevski.

Which is why this seems a bit weird. Feels like we will end up with the same players + potentially an extra centre forward. Are we expecting dramatically different results….?

All have struggled at times, and no one will disagree with that or that we have been poor in the final 3rd. But on the flip side, we have also seen how good each can be when on it. If we can get them to play with more consistency, we should be fine. I would want a new striker and RW(starter or back up). I think the bigger issue has been we really had no options off the bench, so couldn't change it about or sub the ones off we needed for a rest.

If we can improve on players, 100% for it. If not, we need more quality in the 2 areas we lack which is again forward and RW (with pace)

 

[TonyK]

I’ve just came across this quote from Simon Jordan about Timo and he is spot on:

“If Timo Werner is anything more than a squad player, I don’t know what message that sends out to Postecoglou or the fans.”

 

[TonyK]

Does the £86.8 million loss in the last accounts not count or only the revenue ?
Ange only gets players he wants , clearly stated by him in an interview , he takes full responsibility for results and signings ,if Werner flops down to Ange nobody else.

Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy says club in talks with 'prospective investors'

Tottenham are in talks with "prospective investors" after reporting £86.8m losses in their 2022-23 accounts, says chairman Daniel Levy.

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The fact that we are a million miles away from breaching FFP/PSR tells you everything you need to know about Levy’s ambition for our football club. He has always been more concerned about the balance sheet than the trophy cabinet and I don’t think anyone can debate that.

 

[jolsnogross]

I think you've got to be looking pretty hard to find a downside to this deal, to be honest.

I thought it was a decent deal in January. He did OK for us over 10 or so games. But all the frailties of his time at Chelsea also emerged. It's very unlikely to be different this time around.

It's like re-signing Ben Davies or Hojbjerg. He's a solid pro but we won't be a level better with him. And if we're relying on him, it'll be more of the same frustratingly bad finishing that will characterize his season.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

The fact that we are a million miles away from breaching FFP/PSR tells you everything you need to know about Levy’s ambition for our football club. He has always been more concerned about the balance sheet than the trophy cabinet and I don’t think anyone can debate that.

However , building one of the worlds greatest football stadiums and still being able to be the 8th biggest spenders in the transfer market at the same time is quite an achievement that Levy should be congratulated on .

Man Utd top league of transfer losses with negative spend of more than £1bn in last decade

Manchester United have spent a record £1.19bn more on transfers over the past decade than they have recouped through player sales, according to a new study.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[McFlash]

I thought it was a decent deal in January. He did OK for us over 10 or so games. But all the frailties of his time at Chelsea also emerged. It's very unlikely to be different this time around.

It's like re-signing Ben Davies or Hojbjerg. He's a solid pro but we won't be a level better with him. And if we're relying on him, it'll be more of the same frustratingly bad finishing that will characterize his season.

I don't disagree and that's why I'm happy it's only a loan but really, apart from Son we don't have anyone to play LW, so Timo isn't a bad option to have and he does raise the squad quality, when you consider he's basically replacing Gil, Solomon, Perisic and Sess.

It fills a gap and allows us to spend more elsewhere, hopefully on a striker, midfielder and a young, versatile forward capable of playing across the front three positions.

I don't want him to be the future of the club but as a part of the squad rebuild, he's a handy player to have around for a year.

 

[TonyK]

However , building a one of the worlds greatest football stadiums and still being able to be the 8th biggest spenders in the transfer market at the same time is quite an achievement that Levy should be congratulated on .
If spend , spend , spend is the answer why haven't Man U won the title for a long time.

Man Utd top league of transfer losses with negative spend of more than £1bn in last decade

Manchester United have spent a record £1.19bn more on transfers over the past decade than they have recouped through player sales, according to a new study.

www.bbc.co.uk

And why have man shitty won 4 titles in a row??

There has to be a nice balance admittedly but Levy has never got close to getting thst balance right in almost 25 years of ownership.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

And why have man shitty won 4 titles in a row??

There has to be a nice balance admittedly but Levy has never got close to getting thst balance right in almost 25 years of ownership.

Man C right managers and back up team, Man U wrong managers and back up team even though Utd have spent an equal amount of money.

 

[ronzalo]

Man C right managers and back up team, Man U wrong managers and back up team even though Utd have spent an equal amount of money.

True, but if Werner went to Man Utd I wouldn’t be concerned about them upping a level.

 

[TonyK]

Man C right managers and back up team, Man U wrong managers and back up team even though Utd have spent an equal amount of money.

I agree and sometimes we have had the right managers and support teams at the right time and Levy has usually failed to give them the backing they needed. I'm thinking of him signing Ryan Nielsen and Louis Saha for Harry Redknapp when we were in with a shot at the title. And Poch saying there is no point building a nice house if you can't afford nice furniture after the CL Final. We then went 2 or 3 windows without spending a penny ffs.

We need to be targeting big players for Ange this summer. Edersen, Ivan Toney / Ollie Watkins , Eze / Olise, Tapsoba / Todibo, Conor Gallagher. And the positive news is that these types of players can be mostly funded by selling our deadwood., Royal, Davies, Reggy, Rodon, Spence, Lo Celso, Gil, Sess, Solomon, PEH, Tanguy. It could all be done without a huge net spend really.

I also think that Will Lankshear, Dane Scarlett, Troy Parrott, Mikey Moore, Jamie Donley, Alfie Dorrington, Alfie Devine and Ashley Phillips should also be trusted a bit more this season and given plenty of opportunity to prove that they can step up.

 

[StanSpur]

I think the fan reactions to this on YouTube etc have been embarrassing to say the least. The argument that he's not good enough is based on an over inflated opinion of where Spurs are in the league from both a playing, attractiveness and financial standpoint. He is a very good player (although not elite) who definitely added more to the squad last season than Gil or Solomon. The argument that our front 3 is going to be Johnson, Werner and Richy and that it is embarrassing is quite literally ridiculous as he is being signed as a backup on the left behind our captain, who you would think will start most significant games. The counter to this is we should loan or buy a better player than Werner to play backup - so spend 60-70 million on a bench player when we have limited funds and bigger holes. The argument it blocks development of youth.... who? Moore, at 16 he hasn't even played U21s or any form of mens football so it is unlikely he is ready right now. the reality is signing him on a 4 year deal may have blocked pathways but a loan allows time to integrate some youth if they are ready without making them drop into the deep end if Sonny picks up an injury. I think this is a good signing, i would much rather invest the money on a striker and a number 6, and potentially some full backs than focus funds in this area. It is not the end of the window (it hasn't even opened) and i don't see it as a Levy out Ange out (as i have seen) moment. Its a sensible, if underwhelming deal. One that actually strengthens our ability to inject pace into a game and, despite his flaws his contributions were up there with Kudos and Diaby etc who were praised for their efforts this season.

I'm glad this forum has much more sensible heads than those vloggers that need likes by being permanently outraged, must be exhausting!

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

I’ve just came across this quote from Simon Jordan about Timo and he is spot on:

“If Timo Werner is anything more than a squad player, I don’t know what message that sends out to Postecoglou or the fans.”

Why would anybody take the slightest bit of notice of what Simon Jordan thinks.
He is not an ex player or coach or manager he is a businessman just like Levy and probably has about the same amount of football knowledge of players abilities.
Jordan's main claim to fame is that as the owner of Crystal Palace the club went into administration in 2010 and he reputedly lost quite a few quid.

BBC Sport - Football - Championship side Crystal Palace go into administration

news.bbc.co.uk

 

[Styopa]

I think the fan reactions to this on YouTube etc have been embarrassing to say the least. The argument that he's not good enough is based on an over inflated opinion of where Spurs are in the league from both a playing, attractiveness and financial standpoint. He is a very good player (although not elite) who definitely added more to the squad last season than Gil or Solomon. The argument that our front 3 is going to be Johnson, Werner and Richy and that it is embarrassing is quite literally ridiculous as he is being signed as a backup on the left behind our captain, who you would think will start most significant games. The counter to this is we should loan or buy a better player than Werner to play backup - so spend 60-70 million on a bench player when we have limited funds and bigger holes. The argument it blocks development of youth.... who? Moore, at 16 he hasn't even played U21s or any form of mens football so it is unlikely he is ready right now. the reality is signing him on a 4 year deal may have blocked pathways but a loan allows time to integrate some youth if they are ready without making them drop into the deep end if Sonny picks up an injury. I think this is a good signing, i would much rather invest the money on a striker and a number 6, and potentially some full backs than focus funds in this area. It is not the end of the window (it hasn't even opened) and i don't see it as a Levy out Ange out (as i have seen) moment. Its a sensible, if underwhelming deal. One that actually strengthens our ability to inject pace into a game and, despite his flaws his contributions were up there with Kudos and Diaby etc who were praised for their efforts this season.

I'm glad this forum has much more sensible heads than those vloggers that need likes by being permanently outraged, must be exhausting!

I don’t watch Spurs YouTubers but I think this works both ways. Because a few people may have been especially vocal about not liking this signing, anyone who has been a bit meh about it is often accused of moaning.

Some really informed posters have given detailed and nuanced accounts of some of the potential downsides of the signing. I think we should have room for that. Provided we all get behind the team, we should be able to discuss the merits and downsides of any signing without being labelled embarrassing just because we’re not overwhelmingly positive about the deal.

 

[StanSpur]

I don’t watch Spurs YouTubers but I think this works both ways. Because a few people may have been especially vocal about not liking this signing, anyone who has been a bit meh about it is often accused of moaning.

Some really informed posters have given detailed and nuanced accounts of some of the potential downsides of the signing. I think we should have room for that. Provided we all get behind the team, we should be able to discuss the merits and downsides of any signing without being labelled embarrassing just because we’re not overwhelmingly positive about the deal.

I agree we are entitled to opinions and, i accept some will be meh or even negative about it but it is more the massive overreactions i have witnessed that i don't understand and was referencing more in my post. Litteral calls for Levy out, Ange out, "i'm done with this club" type comments based on a loan signing before the window has opened which, in my opinion, is an easy deal to do and, is of a quality that may not be easily found elsewhere in the window.

 

[Freddie]

I don't think anyone thinks he's terrible, but our front line needs a shake up. None of them have performed well enough over a season, and it's going to be hard to move most of them on so the easiest bit to fix was not extending Werner's loan (someone has has been the epitome of fine but frustrating) and get a big name in to improve the first team. So it feels like we're resigned to heading into next season with exactly the same attackers.

 

[TonyK]

Why would anybody take the slightest bit of notice of what Simon Jordan thinks.
He is not an ex player or coach or manager he is a businessman just like Levy and probably has about the same amount of football knowledge of players abilities.
Jordan's main claim to fame is that as the owner of Crystal Palace the club went into administration in 2010 and he reputedly lost quite a few quid.

BBC Sport - Football - Championship side Crystal Palace go into administration

news.bbc.co.uk

You can think whatever you want about Jordan SHH, but as a former owner of a Premier League Club, his opinions on players probably holds a bit more weight than yours or mine. And in this instance, Jordan is bang on. Werner is a squad player at best and if that is not the intention then we should all be very concerned about our ambitions as a football club. As someone above has already pointed out, would we Spurs fans be overly concerned if manyoo had signed him??

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

You can think whatever you want about Jordan SHH, but as a former owner of a Premier League Club, his opinions on players probably holds a bit more weight than your own. And in this instance, Jordan is bang on. Werner is a squad player at best and if that is not the intention then we should all be very concerned about our ambitions as a football club. As someone above has already pointed out, would we Spurs fans be overly concerned if manyoo had signed him??

I have no particular opinion on Werner but if you prefer Jordans view then you obviously don't have much confidence in Ange or Lange

 

[TonyK]

I have no particular opinion on Werner but if you prefer Jordans view then you obviously don't have much confidence in Ange or Lange

I never said that I preferred Jordan's view but I did agree with his comment on Werner. I have total confidence in Ange and I'm also looking forward to seeing what Lange can bring to the table.

What I don't have confidence in is Levy backing yet another manager to a sufficient level to have us challenging for honours. It's usually all a bit half-arsed when it comes to us actually winning things. For instance, replacing a serial winner by Ryan Mason as manager just days before a cup final.

Levy has done some great things for our club don't get me wrong, but the only thing that remains missing now is for him to go that extra mile that matters most to fans.

And as I already mentioned, if the intention is for Werner to be anything more than a squad player, then it will be abundantly clear that a lack of ambition from our owners is still very much alive and kicking.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Needed a goal as we couldn’t hit a barn door…

Enter Timo Werner….

Inspirational re signing