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Match Prediction

  • Spurs to win - Clean Sheet

    Votes: 10 7.5%
  • Spurs to win - No Clean Sheet

    Votes: 45 33.6%
  • Watford to Win

    Votes: 42 31.3%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 36 26.9%
  • Goal-less Draw

    Votes: 1 0.7%

  • Total voters
    134
  • Poll closed .

TonyK

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It’s hugely optimistic to expect us to sign a striker that will immediately come in and start firing. There are hardly, if any, of high enough quality available. And as we’ve seen with Sess, NDombele and LoSelso it takes even good quality players time to adapt to their new surroundings.
I can think of a few decent strikers that may be currently available ...

Dybala,
Gabriel Barbosa,
Moussa Dembele,
Odsonne Dembele,
Alfredo Morelos,
Danny Ings.

There are 6 players straight of the bat that would warrant a look. Obviously you cannot guarantee goals but every single one of the above have been scoring for fun this season.

Out of that lot, Moussa Dembele would probably be my top choice. He consistently scored goals at Fulham, Celtic and now at Lyon so he has proved himself in different leagues and environments. Probably talking upwards of 50m to be fair but that seems to be the going rate these days.

Think we were actually in for him before he joined Celtic but he failed his medical from what I remember.

Dybala is probably no longer a realistic option either I suppose as he has been having such a strong season for Sarri. We missed that boat during the summer unfortunately. You snooze you lose!
 
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JUSTINSIGNAL

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I can think of a few decent strikers that may be currently available ...

Dybala,
Gabriel Barbosa,
Moussa Dembele,
Odsonne Dembele,
Alfredo Morelos,
Danny Ings.

There are 6 players straight of the bat that would warrant a look. Obviously you cannot guarantee goals but every single one of the above have been scoring for fun this season.

Out of that lot, Moussa Dembele would probably be my top choice. He consistently scored goals at Fulham, Celtic and now at Lyon so he has proved himself in different leagues and environments. Probably talking upwards of 50m to be fair but that seems to be the going rate these days.

Think we were actually in for him before he joined Celtic but he failed his medical from what I remember.

Dybala is probably no longer a realistic option either I suppose as he has been having such a strong season for Sarri. We missed that boat during the summer unfortunately. You snooze you lose!

Apart from Barbosa, who flopped in Serie A, and only really shone in Brazil I don’t think any of those strikers are realistic options. Many of them are the main source of goals for their teams - no way would they be sold half way through the season. Only way that would happen is if we paid absolute silly money which would be stupid for a player who will essentially be benched once Kane returns.
 

Jules77

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The thing with that is that goal line technology is a simle measurement of whether the ball crosses the line - it's black and white. The offside decisions are dependant on the precise moment that the ball is kicked which is a grey area and very subjective.
Not really that subjective if you make a rule about whether to go up a frame or down a frame if the ball leaving the foot isn’t precisely captured.

and anyway, my point was that the people complain about the spirit of attacking football being compromised by very precise offside calls. not an attitude carried over to goal line tech.
 

TonyK

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Apart from Barbosa, who flopped in Serie A, and only really shone in Brazil I don’t think any of those strikers are realistic options. Many of them are the main source of goals for their teams - no way would they be sold half way through the season. Only way that would happen is if we paid absolute silly money which would be stupid for a player who will essentially be benched once Kane returns.
Don’t agree with that at all other than Dybala being unrealistic.

First off, Barbosa. You are correct that he didn’t pull up trees in Serie A which is why there are plenty of reports saying he is now available for 21m. Considering his stats in Brazil that would be worth a punt. Low risk as well as there would always be interest in him from Brazil now. The South American leagues are of a decent standard so if he can continue his current form then we are on to a winner.

Next, Moussa Dembele, Dunno if you watch much french football but the attendance at games is a pure disgrace. Most of the clubs therefore have to balance the books by player sales. Lyon are no different at all. Although Aulas talks a tough game, he generally bends over at the right price. It would take 50 - 60m but that is what goal scorers cost. Arse paid 50 odd for Auba for example and have not regretted it. Yes, it would be a big investment but that’s what it will take.

As for Morelos and Odsonne Dembele in the Scottish Premiership, if we are unable to pinch a player from the Scottish league then we are in a worse position than I thought. Generally, most players move south for under 20m but we may need to go to 25m possibly to get a deal done. Again, not really talking silly money as you have suggested.

Danny Ings - 30m bid might tempt Southampton but if not then move on.

Bottom line is that we need someone. Desperately. Leaving us with just one striker for years now has been nothing short of negligent by Levy. But a lot of people on here seem fine with that because we have a nice stadium.

As for HK, the reason that he is generally injured for a few months each season now is because he is playing every single game. We are literally flogging a dead horse. Signing someone who will be immediately benched once HK is fit, is just shortsighted. We need someone that is capable of being considered a first choice striker in their own right so that Harry can be rested. That’s why we are going to need to throw a bit of £££ at the striker position. It is not just a backup to HK that we need.
 
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danielneeds

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Don’t agree with that at all other than Dybala being unrealistic.

First off, Barbosa. You are correct that he didn’t pull up trees in Serie A which is why there are plenty of reports saying he is now available for 21m. Considering his stats in Brazil that would be worth a punt. Low risk as well as there would always be interest in him from Brazil now. The South American leagues are of a decent standard so if he can continue his current form then we are on to a winner.

Next, Moussa Dembele, Dunno if you watch much french football but the attendance at games is a pure disgrace. Most of the clubs therefore have to balance the books by player sales. Lyon are no different at all. Although Aulas talks a tough game, he generally bends over at the right price. It would take 50 - 60m but that is what goal scorers cost. Arse paid 50 odd for Auba for example and have not regretted it. Yes, it would be a big investment but that’s what it will take.

As for Morelos and Odsonne Dembele in the Scottish Premiership, if we are unable to pinch a player from the Scottish league then we are in a worse position than I thought. Generally, most players move south for under 20m but we may need to go to 25m possibly to get a deal done. Again, not really talking silly money as you have suggested.

Danny Ings - 30m bid might tempt Southampton but if not then move on.

Bottom line is that we need someone. Desperately. Leaving us with just one striker for years now has been nothing short of negligent by Levy. But a lot of people on here seem fine with that because we have a nice stadium.

As for HK, the reason that he is generally injured for a few months each season now is because he is playing every single game. We are literally flogging a dead horse. Signing someone who will be immediately benched once HK is fit, is just shortsighted. We need someone that is capable of being considered a first choice striker in their own right so that Harry can be rested. That’s why we are going to need to throw a bit of £££ at the striker position. It is not just a backup to HK that we need.
You simply can’t say Kane’s previous two ankle injuries are due to “flogging a dead horse” just because you want it to fit your narrative. They’re just impact injuries that could have happened at any time. This year’s may have been due to too much football over Xmas, but that’s it.
 

TonyK

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You simply can’t say Kane’s previous two ankle injuries are due to “flogging a dead horse” just because you want it to fit your narrative. They’re just impact injuries that could have happened at any time. This year’s may have been due to too much football over Xmas, but that’s it.

Doesn’t really matter what type of injury he gets though does it? The fact is when he is out for any period of time we have no one fucking else to step in. That’s pretty poor for a CL level club don’t you think?
 

danielneeds

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That’s a different point entirely. Your OP said the injuries were as a result of his being flogged to death, and I was saying that his playing time had no bearing on the ankles injuries.
 

TonyK

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That’s a different point entirely. Your OP said the injuries were as a result of his being flogged to death, and I was saying that his playing time had no bearing on the ankles injuries.
I would argue that a fatigued body leads to all sorts of injuries to be fair - niggles, torn hamstrings and more impact injuries as well. But sure you just keep your head in the sand buddy - how dare anyone suggest that it is the owners fault for leaving the squad threadbare!!
 

danielneeds

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I would argue that a fatigued body leads to all sorts of injuries to be fair - niggles, torn hamstrings and more impact injuries as well. But sure you just keep your head in the sand buddy - how dare anyone suggest that it is the owners fault for leaving the squad threadbare!!
Again, I’ve said nothing about us having no other senior striker this season, which was just poor planning. All I’ve said is minutes played does not make you more susceptible to rolling your ankle. That’s a fact. Or are we just making up stuff to suit agendas like the rest of the world in this post-truth age?
 

TonyK

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Again, I’ve said nothing about us having no other senior striker this season, which was just poor planning. All I’ve said is minutes played does not make you more susceptible to rolling your ankle. That’s a fact. Or are we just making up stuff to suit agendas like the rest of the world in this post-truth age?
Again I don’t see how you can disagree that if a player’s body and muscles are fatigued then they are not at a higher risk of picking up all sorts of injuries, including impact injuries.

But HK has a torn hamstring at the moment anyhow so that’s irrelevant really.

I’ve had my fill of this thread now so I’m gonna duck out. Gb, Turkish, David, Daniel - it’s been nice to agree and disagree. Chat soon on another thread no doubt!
 
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