Vertonghen ‘VAR makes football a different game'

[mawspurs]

Jan Vertonghen says VAR "takes a lot out of football" and has made it "a different game" after Tottenham were denied a second goal in Saturday's 2-1 defeat at Leicester.

Source: Evening Standard

 

[jolsnogross]

If we haven't already, then the staff should look into and train the players to anticipate VAR interruptions and work on their preparedness for any outcomes. For example, instead of mulling about for the 3 mins over a close decision, have a discussion or mechanism to re-focus or tweak tactics so that the following 5 mins isn't somehow overcome by the vagaries of new technology, the decision, and its impact on the atmosphere.

This may already be in-hand - Poch and the staff have been quite pro-active previously about orchestrating training to resolve particular issues (like late goals against). Having said that, we have had a persistent problem of pedestrian starts that hasn't been readily overcome.

But VAR is here to stay and the mental preparation for disruption and turning that around to our benefit, regardless of decision making, should be in place and become second nature over time.

 

[Japhet]

Some of the VAR decisions have been absurd. Not really talking about Sonny's disallowed goal which there was a case for, but more Socrates clear and obvious handball. If VAR is so opposed to overturning on field decisions, it might as well be put back in the box. It seems to be being used predominantly to prevent goals from being scored which seems strange since that's why supporters watch the game.

 

[Seafordian Spurs]

Staff and players need to wise up and be sharper about offsides. As originally posted, it ain't going away. Need to work on pre-empting potential decisions not get indignant about it or get deflated so that the opposition team scores.

 

[jolsnogross]

Some interesting and amusing perspective on this topic from Barney Ronay in the Guardian

"Fast forward 24 hours and Mount’s foot was, arguably, slightly more offside than Son’s armpit. But only arguably, and based on a line that there is no evidence we can actually trust. A middle-aged man playing with a light pen is not the Large Hadron Collider."

"Plus, of course, what is offside actually for? Firstly to stop the game from losing its shape, dissolving into a cross between Aussie Rules and mass goal-hanging. And secondly, in its finer margins, to stop players cheating by pushing this enforced line and gaining an advantage.

In this case there was no advantage to Mount in having a toe, arguably, beyond the line of a player 20 yards away. It didn’t cause the game to lose its shape. It was offside because a man with a pen drew a pointlessly certain line."

 

[Gassin's finest]

I'm honestly losing interest in top flight football because of all this shite.

 

[Dr Know]

VAR or no VAR, the players need to turn up for games.......VAR does!

 

[yiddopaul]

Some of the VAR decisions have been absurd. Not really talking about Sonny's disallowed goal which there was a case for, but more Socrates clear and obvious handball. If VAR is so opposed to overturning on field decisions, it might as well be put back in the box. It seems to be being used predominantly to prevent goals from being scored which seems strange since that's why supporters watch the game.

I don't think there's anything wrong with VAR. In time, it will get faster, less disruptive. The problem is the rules. The offside rule like having a toe nail offside. Or the new handball rules. All VAR is doing is helping the ref out. VAR's not the problem, the rule changes are.

 

[yiddopaul]

I think offside should be penalized due to an advantage (duh! obviously - apparently not). IMO, there should be daylight between the attacker and the defender, even if it's 1cm. Then they can get their little lighty pens out and draw the line.

 

[kaz Hirai]

To be fair to klopp and Lampard they both said the same. About it deflating the team and changing the mindset when a goal you've already celebrated is the chalked off

We've had it in our favour a couple of times famously but regardless the system isn't right

 

[Japhet]

I don't think there's anything wrong with VAR. In time, it will get faster, less disruptive. The problem is the rules. The offside rule like having a toe nail offside. Or the new handball rules. All VAR is doing is helping the ref out. VAR's not the problem, the rule changes are.

The problem is that rules have to be hard and fast with no grey areas and VAR allow this to go into microscopic detail. I don't have a problem with that as long as it's applied across the board, but at the moment offside is being micro policed whereas other in areas of the game (e.g. Socratis handball), there's way too much being left open to interpretatioN. There have also been quite a few incidents of dangerous play that have been swept under the carpet so the technology is being used too selectively IMO.

 

[yiddopaul]

To be far to klopp and Lampard they both said the same. About it deflating the team and changing the mindset when a goal you've already celebrated is the chalked off

We've had it in our favour a couple of times famously but regardless the system isn't right

Yep. We wouldn't have made the CL semi's let alone the final had it not been for VAR .

 

[kaz Hirai]

Yep. We wouldn't have made the CL semi's let alone the final had it not been for VAR .

Yep and it went against us in the final

 

[yiddopaul]

Yep and it went against us in the final

We could go on like this all day long. The rules need to change so it's less anal. Handball's should be as before, bit of VAR + common sense. Offside, there should be daylight between defense and attacker. Then VAR will be less controversial.

 

[Japhet]

We could go on like this all day long. The rules need to change so it's less anal. Handball's should be as before, bit of VAR + common sense. Offside, there should be daylight between defense and attacker. Then VAR will be less controversial.

The trouble is, now that we have the technology to micro analyse each situation, it opens the door for all sorts of complaints and whinging. A bit of common sense won't be accepted by anybody who thinks a decision has gone against them. Where the technology is lacking on offside is identifying the precise moment the ball is kicked which makes all of the lines across the pitch to the nearest inch pretty pointless.

 

[yiddopaul]

The trouble is, now that we have the technology to micro analyse each situation, it opens the door for all sorts of complaints and whinging. A bit of common sense won't be accepted by anybody who thinks a decision has gone against them. Where the technology is lacking on offside is identifying the precise moment the ball is kicked which makes all of the lines across the pitch to the nearest inch pretty pointless.

Yeah, pandora's box comes to mind.

 

[Springerding]

The problem with var & offside is they can not stop the frame exactly when the ball leaves the players foot so there should be something saying that if there is a couple inches in it then its onside, also it should just be the players feet that counts not all this any part of the body you can score with crap, Its ruining the game in its current form, the best tech is goal line, its black & white and tech like that I am all for.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Just don't use var on offside unless the player in question was on his team's home half of the pitch. The turmoil around correct or incorrect offside has been a part of football for very long, and VAR isn't helping on that specific thing.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

Football is slowly disappearing up its own arse. VAR is just another tool to make it more and more tedious. Should be used for goal line decisions only imo.

 

[shelfboy68]

Jan forget the VAR mate you and your team mates just need to do their fucking jobs better.