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SpursManChris

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There has been a bit of talk about our signings and general transfer window activity and I have to say I believe it has been questionable. Not to diminish some great signings we have made in the past, but If Jol & Comolli had truely done their absolute all during the transfer window, opened their eyes and actually spotted some worthwhile talent (apart from Bale and Kaboul) and experience then we could be doing ALOT better than we are. Now I'm not usually one to talk about what could have been, but just consider this: (Not trying to be the manager here or anything! :razz:)


Chimbonda Kaboul Rocha Bale

Lennon Huddlestone Elano Petrov

Berbatov Keane/Defoe

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-No Bent!!!! Overpriced to hell and back! I think we can all agree. 16.5 million, I mean it really was an outrage.
-16.5 million to buy Elano & Petrov, plus more for a
reasonably priced striker instead like Roque Santa Cruz, who would actually be scoring! He was undisclosed, but I'm assuming he wasn't overly pricey.
-Petrov: Classy, proven winger, creates goals as well as scores them. Adds the important element of experience.

-Elano: A skillful, intelligent playmaker who can let rip from 25 yards and bang in the free kicks... basically, everything that Jenas isn't. Or is, once every second blue moon. Also, has valuable experience.

Now these would have been reasonable, realistic options surely. There’s nothing unrealistic about them, or ultimately ‘out of our league’ like Sneijder or Drenthe. Just a player we most likely rejected because of wages (Petrov) and a player who to my knowledge, wasn't even rumoured to have been looked at and was snatched up by bloody City! (Elano) … I mean, CITY!! I'm pissed off. I wonder if Comolli even knew he existed. Like I said
, not a great deal of point in talking about what could have been, but it does beg questioning of how we operated in the last transfer window.
 

llamafarmer

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The Petrov thing has been done to death - Bale has been superb anyway.

Elano was a brilliant find - how many managers knew about him?
 

SpursManChris

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Yes, Bale is superb, I was in no way saying he can't fill a midfield job. I'm just saying, Petrov was available and Bale still could have played and fired forward in left back.
 

SpursManChris

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Petrov. Wages/injuries/big ego? We called that one right didn't we.

A big ego? Who gives a shit about a big ego? You mean in case it gets in the way of the relationship with the manager? Well fair enough, but otherwise who cares. And as for injuries, I'll bet he has a great run with city before he's injured.
 

dvdhopeful

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yea in fairness I don't think we are the only fans questioning Elano's perceived absense from our clubs shoplist.

And as LF said, the Petrov debate has been done to death and after seeing Bale so far this season, I'd say the Petrov debate can be closed. Bale has been bought as a left winger and he's been pretty impressive so far
 

DFF

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yea in fairness I don't think we are the only fans questioning Elano's perceived absense from our clubs shoplist.

And as LF said, the Petrov debate has been done to death and after seeing Bale so far this season, I'd say the Petrov debate can be closed. Bale has been bought as a left winger and he's been pretty impressive so far

Exactly. And so then people move on to suggesting that we could have employed Bale at LB behind Petrov. :lol:
Nutjobs. Bale is no where near as defensively solid as Lee. Then again, our defence is as tight as a rat's japseye, so i'm sure we could afford a white Chimbonda at left back. :duh:
 

The Apprentice

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A big ego? Who gives a shit about a big ego? You mean in case it gets in the way of the relationship with the manager? Well fair enough, but otherwise who cares. And as for injuries, I'll bet he has a great run with city before he's injured.


Sarcasm my friend, sarcasm. They were the reasons people wheeled out as to why we shouldn't sign him.
 

TaoistMonkey

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i don't think i could handle more changes to the team.

If we are lucky, they may finally gel by 2020 :roll:
 

eddiebailey

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Can I just point out that Bale is injured, again. Petrov on the other hand seems to be in rude health (and contrary to rumour, not particularly highly paid). What would have been ideal would have been an experienced world class player AND a fantastic prospect who could both cover for him and fill in at leftback if required.

And if we had bought Petrov I rather suspect we would be seeing a different Berbatov this season.

Kaboul is another good prospect, and I am glad we signed him, but what we needed at the back was an experienced leader. (A description that no more fits Kaboul than it does our other target, Curtis Davies).

The Bent signing only made sense if we sold Defoe. There was no way we were going to keep four top class strikers happy. And an unhappy striker is a striker who does not score goals.

We do not even appear to have attempted to address the goalkeeping and central midfield situations.

A disastrous window.
 

Spursking

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We have done some really good buys this season, but Jol's tactics is destroying it, and makes it difficult for them. It has been so obvious so many times this season. It is so strange that Jol doesn't see it. He just continues to do the same errors, and that is not good leadership by Jol. As a manager you should see that. Doesn't he analyse any games at all??
 

striebs

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We have done some really good buys this season, but Jol's tactics is destroying it, and makes it difficult for them. It has been so obvious so many times this season. It is so strange that Jol doesn't see it. He just continues to do the same errors, and that is not good leadership by Jol. As a manager you should see that. Doesn't he analyse any games at all??

I'm sorry but that is completely incorrect .

How about you provide SPECIFIC examples of these tactical errors you believe he is making ?

As the person who started the thread and Eddy Bailey have said we desperately lack experience .

That is what makes us so easy to pick off . No matter what Jol did we were on a hiding at SJP once Bale had gone off .
 

striebs

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Can I just point out that Bale is injured, again. Petrov on the other hand seems to be in rude health (and contrary to rumour, not particularly highly paid). What would have been ideal would have been an experienced world class player AND a fantastic prospect who could both cover for him and fill in at leftback if required.

And if we had bought Petrov I rather suspect we would be seeing a different Berbatov this season.

Kaboul is another good prospect, and I am glad we signed him, but what we needed at the back was an experienced leader. (A description that no more fits Kaboul than it does our other target, Curtis Davies).

The Bent signing only made sense if we sold Defoe. There was no way we were going to keep four top class strikers happy. And an unhappy striker is a striker who does not score goals.

We do not even appear to have attempted to address the goalkeeping and central midfield situations.

A disastrous window.

Robbo looked completely exhausted in the commentary room . No wonder he has been having a time of it , needs to recharge his batterys .

Zokora has improved a bit but it does not look like the management teams brave gamble of giving Jenas , Zokora and Huddlestone further time is going to bear fruit .

I hope I am not overreacting to an evening match in late Octorber at SJP but are any of them worth keeping or should we replace all 3 of them in the next two windows ?
 

alfiespurs

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A big ego? Who gives a shit about a big ego? You mean in case it gets in the way of the relationship with the manager? Well fair enough, but otherwise who cares. And as for injuries, I'll bet he has a great run with city before he's injured.

And Bloody Berbatov does not have one 1 I hate the Bloody Bulgarians ... :bang::bang:
 

alfiespurs

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Robbo looked completely exhausted in the commentary room . No wonder he has been having a time of it , needs to recharge his batterys .

Zokora has improved a bit but it does not look like the management teams brave gamble of giving Jenas , Zokora and Huddlestone further time is going to bear fruit .

I hope I am not overreacting to an evening match in late Octorber at SJP but are any of them worth keeping or should we replace all 3 of them in the next two windows ?

Yes and please include Chimbomba ( for once , I love the way pleat describes him), Jenas and the bloody Bulgarian Misreable Mother .. :bang:.
 

JKSpurs

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I've had a massive argument with a mate at work about this just this very morning.

The fact is, firstly Darren Bent is not a waste of money, we needed a fouth striker as if we just had 3 and one got injured we would be left short. Darren bent fitted in with the transfer policy of young (sell on value), talented and sensible salary expectation. So what if he ends up costing 16.5 mill, we can afford it. He hasn't set the world alight but doesn't make him a bad player over night. Would you of prefered our back up to be a younger prospect who may or may not make the grade ? or perhaps a overpaid older striker looking for a final payday?

Secondly Petrov. It was widely reported that we were after him and even made an offer, but he chose to go to Man City. Initally probabaly chose Man City because of the money although I'm sure he is not regretting it now. What can you do? do you go the West Ham route and throw money at people to come to you ? It wasn't so long ago that every one thought Bent was a legend because he chose us over west ham for footballing reason and not because they we were the highest bidder. Now people think we shouldn't of bothered with Bent and just chucked money at Petrov.

Elano, well, gutted that we didn't spot that one and fair play to SGE he looks class but I don't think he was on many clubs radar so its not like Comolli, Jol or Levy can be blamed for that.
 

llamafarmer

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We have done some really good buys this season, but Jol's tactics is destroying it, and makes it difficult for them. It has been so obvious so many times this season. It is so strange that Jol doesn't see it. He just continues to do the same errors, and that is not good leadership by Jol. As a manager you should see that. Doesn't he analyse any games at all??

The players should have been bought to fit Jol's tactics, not the other way around.

The biggest error was that we didn't buy any experience.
 

DogsOfWar

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I'm still puzzled by everyone's need to blame our position on 'experience'.
We have pretty much the same team as last season except they have another years 'experience' behind them so I don't see how that is the main issue.

I'm not against experience, for me we should have tried for Distin and Viduka, but it should be free/cheap as Davids, Stalteri and Lee were.

As for Elano or Roque Santa Cruz, let's see how they fancy a January evening at Fratton Park or the Riverside before we come to any conclusions. Or how they cope now the opposition know a bit about them and go out of their way to stop them.

The summer was all about sorting out a left sided player (Bale), and getting in more CB cover (Kaboul) which we succeeded in doing as well as bringing in more youngsters for the future (Boateng, Rose, Taraabt etc).
No one was complaining at the time, and no one could forsee our injuries, lack of form of key players, and general ineptness.

My only complaint, as well as many other peoples, was not getting Petrov in. He seemed to be fairly cheap and would have provided an immediate link with Berbatov whilst Bale settled in. But after Bale's start I soon forgot about him, but again with hindsight, it would have been ideal as we now need cover.

The point I'm trying to get over is that a lot of these threads are written purely from hindsight and so we shouldn't view our summer transfers as questionable as they certainly were not at the time.
 
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