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Trix

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One of the reasons the endless cycle never ends is because no manager ever gets the chance to finish what they started.
No manager is ever going to get that chance under Enic regardless of how long they are in the job. It's not how we operate behind the scenes. They will never get that optimal squad, with players for every role. It's fuck all to do with time and everything to do with ambition and intent from those above.

Absolutely baffles me that fans think the biggest problem we have is giving patience and time to the manager.
 

Chedozie

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No manager is ever going to get that chance under Enic regardless of how long they are in the job. It's not how we operate behind the scenes. They will never get that optimal squad, with players for every role. It's fuck all to do with time and everything to do with ambition and intent from those above.

Absolutely baffles me that fans think the biggest problem we have is giving patience and time to the
If sacking the manager doesn’t make any difference, what’s the point in doing it?
 

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No manager is ever going to get that chance under Enic regardless of how long they are in the job. It's not how we operate behind the scenes. They will never get that optimal squad, with players for every role. It's fuck all to do with time and everything to do with ambition and intent from those above.

Absolutely baffles me that fans think the biggest problem we have is giving patience and time to the manager.

actually our biggest problem is backing the manager, if the fans back the players and the manager performances will improve and if the crowd are behind the manager over the board it could changes the power dynamic the crowd can be way to negative at times

If sacking the manager doesn’t make any difference, what’s the point in doing it?

we would get a bounce 6 good games could put us in top 4 contention, prefer to back Ange we would only be papering over cracks.
 

Trix

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actually our biggest problem is backing the manager, if the fans back the players and the manager performances will improve and if the crowd are behind the manager over the board it could changes the power dynamic the crowd can be way to negative at times

The crowd won't make any difference to how we operate as a club unless they stop spending money. It's that simple.
 

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I'm sure most know this, but McKenna was a youth player with us till he was forced to retire at 22. He then coached the youth teams for a while and Liverpool tried to poach him when they took Alex Inglethorpe.

We promoted him to u-18's manager and think he did this role for a couple of years till Man Utd nicked him in 2016. He was their U-18's manager for a couple of years till Jose promoted him to one of his assistants. He became Ipswich manager in 2021.

In the summer, I'm fairly sure Man Utd wanted to speak to him but he turned them down. There was talk of Chelsea approaching him but don't know how true that was.

Hence, McKenna has been at our club for quite a long time previously so would probably have a good idea of how the club/Levy works. Hence, he'd probably turn us down!!
 

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Levy isn’t going anywhere, you know that, I like this manager and the way he has us set to play, we’re 7 points off the top four and still in all the cups.

This new manager and sporting director are in the process of revolutionising the squad, Ange has ok’d the release of 17 first team players in two windows, let him get on with it.
revolution? Adding one first team player each summer ain't no "revolution" 🤣
 

Chedozie

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revolution? Adding one first team player each summer ain't no "revolution" 🤣
Levy doesn’t invest in first team players, he bargain buys youngsters, some of them work out, we currently have a manager who has bought into it. I’m happy to see where it gets us.

We don’t have a squad to challenge for the top four places.
 

TonyK

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Something gives me the feeling you go shopping with the wife, as opposed to parting with thousands to watch and "stay patient" year after year... a quarter of a fkin century under this bloke...
Half my fucking life!!!!!!!!
 

Trix

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Can you explain your point very simply so I can understand
There are 2 types of manager generally speaking proactive and reactive. This is nothing to do with what brand of football they want to play and everything to do with how they look to achieve their best outcome.

A proactive manager has a system and philosophy planned out that requires certain player types and coaching to achieve. He believes the main ingredient to success are the tactics. Think Pep, Klopp, and closer to home Ange and Conte. Very different managers in style but not in their intrinsic beliefs, that there is a way of playing that is more important than the ability of their players. Their philosophy supercedes everything else but they require certain parts and players with specific skill sets to achieve their goal

A reactionary manager looks at what he has available and what he's playing against and then sets up to get the best outcome based on those factors. Think Sir AF, Ancelotti and closer to home Redknapp and MP.

Of course you have cross overs and some of those managers will have a bit of both but primarily they are one way or another imo.

We have a board that have run this club for over 2 decades and they have never backed a manager to the point they get the majority of what they ask for. The main criteria we have on spending money is what is the cost, and what is the potential ceiling in comparison to that cost. It is very rarely how does this player move us forward now.

20+ years of history tells me we are far better with a manager who is a sculpture who will create something from nothing. It won't be perfect but it can look very nice, over an engineer who has to build something from a blueprint that could be perfect if instructions are followed to the letter. With us though half the bits on the parts list will never turn up, so it'll always be a work in progress.

You asked earlier who would this magical manager be who could come in if we sacked Ange. The answer is there isn't one whilst Levy is here, but what there is are managers who would fit better than others. Time is no fix for this situation and 'trust the process' is just meaningless bollocks because it implies we will get to the end point of having that perfect squad assembled, which we never ever will.
 
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TonyK

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No manager is ever going to get that chance under Enic regardless of how long they are in the job. It's not how we operate behind the scenes. They will never get that optimal squad, with players for every role. It's fuck all to do with time and everything to do with ambition and intent from those above.

Absolutely baffles me that fans think the biggest problem we have is giving patience and time to the manager.
I kinda agree with you both Chedozie and Trix. Firstly, I know that replacing Ange with yet another manager won’t make a blind bit of difference because the problem clearly isn’t the managers. So I’d like to see Ange given a bit more time.

But I also know that our owners have zero ambition to run a successful football club that actually wins a few pots.

So Ange can be given all the time in the world but ultimately he will always be given a squad that is 3 or 4 quality players short of being capable of challenging.

It never fucking changes and I’ve wasted half my life supporting Spurs under these owners. I’ve had enough now.
 

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Agree with both of you, I also feel given time Ange will do well he is building a squad and bringing though young players. i doubt he will get the 2-3 season he needs.

can see us getting taken over and then ending up with Eddie Howe
 

Chedozie

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There are 2 types of manager generally speaking proactive and reactive. This is nothing to do with what brand of football they want to play and everything to do with how they look to achieve their best outcome.

A proactive manager has a system and philosophy planned out that requires certain player types and coaching to achieve. He believes the main ingredient to success are the tactics. Think Pep, Klopp, and closer to home Ange and Conte. Very different managers in style but not in their intrinsic beliefs, that there is a way of playing that is more important than the ability of their players. Their philosophy supercedes everything else but they require certain parts and players with specific skill sets to achieve their goal

A reactionary manager looks at what he has available and what he's playing against and then sets up to get the best outcome based on those factors. Think Sir AF, Ancelotti and closer to home Redknapp and MP.

Of course you have cross overs and some of those managers will have a bit of both but primarily they are one way or another imo.

We have a board that have run this club for over 2 decades and they have never backed a manager to the point they get the majority of what they ask for. The main criteria we have on spending money is what is the cost, and what is the potential ceiling in comparison to that cost. It is very rarely how does this player move us forward now.

20+ years of history tells me we are far better with a manager who is a sculpture who will create something from nothing. It won't be perfect but it can look very nice, over an engineer who has to build something from a blueprint that could be perfect if instructions are followed to the letter. With us though half the bits on the parts list will never turn up, so it'll always be a work in progress.

You asked earlier who would this magical manager be who could come in if we sacked Ange. The answer is there isn't one whilst Levy is here, but what there is are managers who would fit better than others. Time is no fix for this situation and 'trust the process' is just meaningless bollocks because it implies we will get to the end point of having that perfect squad assembled, which we never ever will.
Thank you, that is simple enough for me to understand, I think we just follow Spurs differently.
I know Enic don’t invest enough in the team/squad, our squad this season is as bare as it ever has been under their regime.
I just have a belief that this manager will turn us into a decent team over the next couple of seasons. I know that might not be right, but it’s what I believe.
 

TonyK

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The fact that the overwhelming majority of people posting on this thread want Levy gone gives me hope. COYS!
 

spursfan77

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I'm sure most know this, but McKenna was a youth player with us till he was forced to retire at 22. He then coached the youth teams for a while and Liverpool tried to poach him when they took Alex Inglethorpe.

We promoted him to u-18's manager and think he did this role for a couple of years till Man Utd nicked him in 2016. He was their U-18's manager for a couple of years till Jose promoted him to one of his assistants. He became Ipswich manager in 2021.

In the summer, I'm fairly sure Man Utd wanted to speak to him but he turned them down. There was talk of Chelsea approaching him but don't know how true that was.

Hence, McKenna has been at our club for quite a long time previously so would probably have a good idea of how the club/Levy works. Hence, he'd probably turn us down!!

The Ipswich CEO was on talksport the other week and he seemed a decent chap. He let McKenna speak to a couple of clubs (assumed to be Chelsea and Man U) and Kieran came back and said he’d rather stay at Ipswich. He said he left it completely up to the manager. So he seems a sensible bloke…….therefore I think you’re probably correct!
 

spursfan77

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The fact that the overwhelming majority of people posting on this thread want Levy gone gives me hope. COYS!

I think those that refuse to see he’s the problem never will now for whatever reason I can’t quite grasp or they are just trolling.
 
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