Tottenham target McKenna as possible Postecoglou replacement

[Dr Know]

Levy going to escape again

 

[TonyK]

Thing is mate some folks read my posts and think I'm anti Ange and I'm not. I've heard this throughout this whole saga, with posters saying I have some sort of agenda against the man.

What I am against, is the Enic/Ange combination, and that is a very different thing. I would have loved him to succeed but that is not on the cards at all imo.

The problem though Trix is that the ENIC / insert any manager’s name combination never fucking works!

 

[Trix]

The problem though Trix is that the ENIC / insert any manager’s name combination never fucking works!

Ultimately I agree. So for me it's about how best do we navigate this until Enic fuck off(however long that takes). For me that is someone who will adapt because they will without question need to.

It's all very well sticking to your principles and it's in fact something admirable in some respects. A big problem we have now is that with every injury our quality drops, and yet they are expected to continue playing exactly the same way despite the fact they aren't good enough to do so. Ange just stands on the sidelines shaking his head when we fail to continually pass out from the back through a premier league press like it's just something every player should be able to do regardless of their strengths and weaknesses. He turns up in the following press conference telling us all "well this is who we are mate" when the truth is it's NOT who we are it's what he wants us to be, and those two things are very different.

 

[onthetwo]

Ultimately I agree. So for me it's about how best do we navigate this until Enic fuck off(however long that takes). For me that is someone who will adapt because they will without question need to.

It's all very well sticking to your principles and it's in fact something admirable in some respects. A big problem we have now is that with every injury our quality drops, and yet they are expected to continue playing exactly the same way despite the fact they aren't good enough to do so. Ange just stands on the sidelines shaking his head when we fail to continually pass out from the back through a premier league press like it's just something every player should be able to do regardless of their strengths and weaknesses. He turns up in the following press conference telling us all "well this is who we are mate" when the truth is it's NOT who we are it's what he wants us to be, and those two things are very different.

Im wondering whether the lack of buy-in from the players for the pressing comes from that fact that Ange never did it himself at anywhere near EPL level? So they look at 60 year-old standing on sideline and think to themselves ‘what do you know about doing this 3 times per week at this level?”

 

[elfy]

Any other fanbase makes it happen. West Ham, Manyoo, Everton fans put us to shame.

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

Man U fans protested, moaned and whined for decades and achieved the sum total of fuck all. The Glazers are still the owners. Ratcliffe is only there because he stumped up a crapton of cash.

Everton owner wants out because he has no money. Nothing to do with the fans.

West Ham have the same owner they've had for about a decade, ok one of them died but ultimately nothing has changed.

There is not a single example of any club where fans have successfully pushed an owner out. The closest is probably Mike Ashley, but fundamentally he only left once someone paid what he wanted.

 

[yiddopaul]

I don’t see Ange getting the sack, the paper thin squad is the problem, not the manager.

When all the players were fit, we still had problems. Same as last year (same time in fact). We all said, when we get all our injured players back, we will be ok. We got worse.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Thing is mate some folks read my posts and think I'm anti Ange and I'm not. I've heard this throughout this whole saga, with posters saying I have some sort of agenda against the man.

What I am against, is the Enic/Ange combination, and that is a very different thing. I would have loved him to succeed but that is not on the cards at all imo.

I think fans should feel free to air an opinion whether that be for or against a manager or player.

I just don't see the point (not talking about your replies) where that opinion is destructive, rather than a constructive point.

For my thoughts, if Ange was to be fired (which i very much doubt) I would consider someone like Chris Davies. Before the firestorm replies, I have seen most of Birmingham games this season, and he has a very good, well balanced team playing some very good football.

PL experience with Spurs, knows the player market and club.

No baggage, or overtly high expectations expectations and adapts his team to the opposition. Anyone who has time should fond a game to watch his team.

Just a thought.

 

[FloridaSpur]

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

Man U fans protested, moaned and whined for decades and achieved the sum total of fuck all. The Glazers are still the owners. Ratcliffe is only there because he stumped up a crapton of cash.

Everton owner wants out because he has no money. Nothing to do with the fans.

West Ham have the same owner they've had for about a decade, ok one of them died but ultimately nothing has changed.

There is not a single example of any club where fans have successfully pushed an owner out. The closest is probably Mike Ashley, but fundamentally he only left once someone paid what he wanted.

Indeed.

 

[TonyK]

Sorry mate, but that's bollocks.

Man U fans protested, moaned and whined for decades and achieved the sum total of fuck all. The Glazers are still the owners. Ratcliffe is only there because he stumped up a crapton of cash.

Everton owner wants out because he has no money. Nothing to do with the fans.

West Ham have the same owner they've had for about a decade, ok one of them died but ultimately nothing has changed.

There is not a single example of any club where fans have successfully pushed an owner out. The closest is probably Mike Ashley, but fundamentally he only left once someone paid what he wanted.

Yeah, that's probably fair enough Elfy but the Glazers have handed over control of the football to Ratcliffe I suppose. My point though was that those club's fans at least had a bit of balls to start a protest. Even a Red Card protest against Levy / ENIC would be something plus it's low cost, peaceful and reasonably effective at getting a message across.

 

[Hercules]

I think fans should feel free to air an opinion whether that be for or against a manager or player.

I just don't see the point (not talking about your replies) where that opinion is destructive, rather than a constructive point.

For my thoughts, if Ange was to be fired (which i very much doubt) I would consider someone like Chris Davies. Before the firestorm replies, I have seen most of Birmingham games this season, and he has a very good, well balanced team playing some very good football.

PL experience with Spurs, knows the player market and club.

No baggage, or overtly high expectations expectations and adapts his team to the opposition. Anyone who has time should fond a game to watch his team.

Just a thought.

Chris was not highly rated or thought of by the staff

 

[sundanceyid10]

Thing is mate some folks read my posts and think I'm anti Ange and I'm not. I've heard this throughout this whole saga, with posters saying I have some sort of agenda against the man.

What I am against, is the Enic/Ange combination, and that is a very different thing. I would have loved him to succeed but that is not on the cards at all imo.

Enic - Levy / and any combination won’t and hasn’t worked. Maybe a bit of Poch which still brought zero silverware.

 

[WorcesterTHFC]

I don’t see Ange getting the sack, the paper thin squad is the problem, not the manager.

Levy's seen 13 managers on his watch, and they've covered a wide variety of methods as coaches. One thing they've all had in common is Levy not backing them. As Trix said elsewhere, this summer just gone, Ange had to put up with what Levy gave him. Levy's always leaving his manager two or three players short of what he needs. No manager in any business is going to succeed if his/her company's owners don't give them the tools they need to do the job.

 

[sundanceyid10]

Levy's seen 13 managers on his watch, and they've covered a wide variety of methods as coaches. One thing they've all had in common is Levy not backing them. As Trix said elsewhere, this summer just gone, Ange had to put up with what Levy gave him. Levy's always leaving his manager two or three players short of what he needs. No manager in any business is going to succeed if his/her company's owners don't give them the tools they need to do the job.

Levy: We need to build the stadium so we can compete at the highest level. Now we have so here is Timo Werner on loan.

 

[jay2040]

Here we go again… Our injuries are killing us not the Manager. A few weeks ago we thrashed City and the fans over the moon….fickle Spurs fans to sat the least.

Blinkered perspective. The results from the other games makes the man city win look like more of a fluke.

 

[jay2040]

I think fans should feel free to air an opinion whether that be for or against a manager or player.

I just don't see the point (not talking about your replies) where that opinion is destructive, rather than a constructive point.

For my thoughts, if Ange was to be fired (which i very much doubt) I would consider someone like Chris Davies. Before the firestorm replies, I have seen most of Birmingham games this season, and he has a very good, well balanced team playing some very good football.

PL experience with Spurs, knows the player market and club.

No baggage, or overtly high expectations expectations and adapts his team to the opposition. Anyone who has time should fond a game to watch his team.

Just a thought.

Isn't Chris still on Strictly!

 

[EastUpperDK82]

Invest in the squad now !!! ... not in a new manager who also would need investments in the squad... and his own rebuild

F****** RUMOUR MILL...

 

[newbie]

a good winger and midfield genetal
Would elevate this team so much

I think Ange is doing a good job we have to accept we need time to rebuild and it’s going to be shit.

yes I’ve sat in the stands suffering, I’ve also seen a lot of positives. under conte we just looked like it was only time before it went tits up. With Ange we just need time we have so many young players and injuries to many games

sadly I think he will be sacked and it will get us a short term boost then rinse and repeat

our issue is tired players when we run we win

 

[McFlash]

Thing is mate some folks read my posts and think I'm anti Ange and I'm not. I've heard this throughout this whole saga, with posters saying I have some sort of agenda against the man.

What I am against, is the Enic/Ange combination, and that is a very different thing. I would have loved him to succeed but that is not on the cards at all imo.

To be honest, I think some of your posts did initially read that way but in fairness, you've always been quick to clarify your stance.

The trouble is that Levy wants a manager who is happy to work with what he's given but that rules out any successful or decent managers because they know what they want, and they won't settle for less.

So basically, while Levy is at the helm, we're stuck in limbo, bouncing from one blame monkey to the next.

 

[McFlash]

Not a given he should stay til the summer, should be based on results.

But he's not going to get the results if he doesn't get more than Solanke in a "rebuild window".
So I still find it hard to blame Ange for the way this season has gone.
I know some will come back with the idea that he should just change the way he does things but that's not who he is.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the youngsters we signed but they aren't improving the squad this season and meanwhile, Son is another year older and Timo Werner is Timo Werner.

So yeah, maybe @Trix is right and he just wasn't the right man for the job but through no fault of his own, the fault lies firmly at Levy's door. Yet again.

 

[$hoguN]

Grim. Would last 5 mins.

Yeah I’d last longer with Demi Rose than he would here