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Maybe we need to be looking for more of a LB that can cover LW, or even maybe a midfield spot?
Because that feels like less of a difference to our current LB Vs LCB roles.

A left footed Archie Gray would be nice!
 

BorjeSpurs

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Solving the squad puzzle these days is best achieved by having players who can play in multiple positions. In Ange's setup it is not having an LCB that can play LB (because of picture below), it's about getting in a full back that can play on both sides IMO.

Therefore I think we are going to go with a right footed player that can play RCB and LCB rather than asking a left footed centre back to only be backup to one of the best young defenders in the world.

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This is a Levy special all over - just like with Solomon.

If we sign Tosin it will be to flip him in 1-2 seasons for a profit.
 

snakehipsspurs

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That stock pile, and total madness. Van de Van goes missing we are destitute. We need a specialist LCB, who can cover LB.
There is no CB in world football who can also play inverted Wing Back in Ange’s system effectively. The closest you’d get is a hybrid player like Ben Davies who does neither role to quite the required level, despite his best efforts.

Id rather sign a proper LB and a proper CB than try and find this mythical player that doesn’t exist.

As for the left footer CB issue, Ange has already said he doesn’t think like that and isn’t concerned. I’ll trust him to make the call on what he wants!
 

Thenewcat

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Maybe we need to be looking for more of a LB that can cover LW, or even maybe a midfield spot?
Because that feels like less of a difference to our current LB Vs LCB roles.

A left footed Archie Gray would be nice!
That was what I said a few posts ago…. Sometimes I feel I’m shouting into a vacuum :)
 

Thenewcat

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Solving the squad puzzle these days is best achieved by having players who can play in multiple positions. In Ange's setup it is not having an LCB that can play LB (because of picture below), it's about getting in a full back that can play on both sides IMO.

Therefore I think we are going to go with a right footed player that can play RCB and LCB rather than asking a left footed centre back to only be backup to one of the best young defenders in the world.

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This is a good point - I think LB/LW is possible but LB/RB is also a good shout. We could justify a decent fee if that gave us 3 high quality full back options
 

Thenewcat

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This is a Levy special all over - just like with Solomon.

If we sign Tosin it will be to flip him in 1-2 seasons for a profit.
First I don’t accept the implied premise that signing Solomon was a bad idea. He had performed in the PL and Ange seemed to like him, his injury problems were not predictable. Second Tosin is a good player and would be a fine squad member. It’s just not a position we need right now. Signing him if he isn’t going to play doesn’t allow us to inflate his value
 

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If signing Tosin as 4th choice CB allows us to satisfy the HG issues and get in top quality attackers/midfielders from Europe, then it’s absolutely worth sacrificing getting a left footer for.

Something has to be a compromise eventually when squad building, this seems as good a compromise as you can make. Tosin is a very good player!
You’d hope so, but if that’s the play we should be after Kelly for LCB who ticks the same boxes but also actually helps the squad.

Tosin is right footed, right sided and not very good…
 

Nick-TopSpursMan

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There is no CB in world football who can also play inverted Wing Back in Ange’s system effectively. The closest you’d get is a hybrid player like Ben Davies who does neither role to quite the required level, despite his best efforts.

Id rather sign a proper LB and a proper CB than try and find this mythical player that doesn’t exist.

As for the left footer CB issue, Ange has already said he doesn’t think like that and isn’t concerned. I’ll trust him to make the call on what he wants!

Best bet is Calafiori.
 

Flobadob

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Maybe we need to be looking for more of a LB that can cover LW, or even maybe a midfield spot?
Because that feels like less of a difference to our current LB Vs LCB roles.

A left footed Archie Gray would be nice!
Yeah I really don’t think the calls for a LCB that can cover LB make any sense considering the demands of the inverted fullback position. I don’t think that player exists and if they do they’ll be of a quality which won’t make them coming here to be a backup an option. Davies is an ideal hybrid LCB/LB and even he isn’t up to the inverted fullback role at all. A CB that good on the ball won’t be coming to be back up at Spurs they’ll be starting already for a good club.
 

KILLA_SIN

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This is a Levy special all over - just like with Solomon.

If we sign Tosin it will be to flip him in 1-2 seasons for a profit.
We're not making a profit on Solomon were paying approx 3m in wages and he's been injured all season
 

ItsBoris

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There is no CB in world football who can also play inverted Wing Back in Ange’s system effectively. The closest you’d get is a hybrid player like Ben Davies who does neither role to quite the required level, despite his best efforts.

Id rather sign a proper LB and a proper CB than try and find this mythical player that doesn’t exist.

As for the left footer CB issue, Ange has already said he doesn’t think like that and isn’t concerned. I’ll trust him to make the call on what he wants!

Ake could I reckon. Udogie doesn't play like a left wing back
 

Hercules

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There is no CB in world football who can also play inverted Wing Back in Ange’s system effectively. The closest you’d get is a hybrid player like Ben Davies who does neither role to quite the required level, despite his best efforts.

Id rather sign a proper LB and a proper CB than try and find this mythical player that doesn’t exist.

As for the left footer CB issue, Ange has already said he doesn’t think like that and isn’t concerned. I’ll trust him to make the call on what he wants!
There are a few. But he is not the answer. We need a proper LCB, who is actually left footed
 

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There are a few. But he is not the answer. We need a proper LCB, who is actually left footed
We also have Phillips coming though, who looks a player at Plymouth, and is very 2 footed. I'm not sure I want to block that progression too much. Looks primed to come in and play that 4th CB role to me.
 

Cochraam

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We also have Phillips coming though, who looks a player at Plymouth, and is very 2 footed. I'm not sure I want to block that progression too much. Looks primed to come in and play that 4th CB role to me.
I'm closer to this thinking unless we're looking at a high quality LCB, which I'm not convinced either Adarabioyo or Kelly is. I would let Davies play out the last year of his contract next year as a LCB option and get full year loans for Phillips and Dorrington (and Vuskevic). Maybe one of them looks like taking a spot in summer 2025; if not, we can bring in an option then knowing a bit more how those youth are progressing and if/where we see them fitting in. Spend our money this summer recruiting one or two fullbacks who suit the way we play rather than a LCB who sort of can almost cover at fullback. I'm afraid either Adarabioyo or Kelly end up looking like dead wood we need to shift in 2-3 years.
 

bceej

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I'm closer to this thinking unless we're looking at a high quality LCB, which I'm not convinced either Adarabioyo or Kelly is. I would let Davies play out the last year of his contract next year as a LCB option and get full year loans for Phillips and Dorrington (and Vuskevic). Maybe one of them looks like taking a spot in summer 2025; if not, we can bring in an option then knowing a bit more how those youth are progressing and if/where we see them fitting in. Spend our money this summer recruiting one or two fullbacks who suit the way we play rather than a LCB who sort of can almost cover at fullback. I'm afraid either Adarabioyo or Kelly end up looking like dead wood we need to shift in 2-3 years.
Guess a 3 year contract would be appropriate for either of them? I'm not for either for a slew of reasons but as long as we don't overcommit contractually we should be fine. There was a past issue to get a profit/fee but I think we as a club have become more pragmatic in that regard.
 

ItsBoris

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There are a few. But he is not the answer. We need a proper LCB, who is actually left footed

It's optimal but I wouldn't say absolutely necessary. Ramos, Pepe and Varane at RM - all right footed.

Vidic/Ferdinand - both right footed

VVD - right footed but usually plays LCB.

We're lucky to already have one top class left footed center back, I really don't think we need 2 of them. Many teams don't even have one. Just need someone with a decent left foot who can play on the left side if needed.

It's definitely not a reason to not sign Adarabioyo. He's also very fast which helps with our high line.

On a free transfer, home grown, allowing us to use our money in other areas - seems like a no brainer to me
 
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