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Never heard of him, youtubed him and even YouTube couldnt make him look good ?, ............... NEXT!!!! ?
Timothy Castagne
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Hoddle&Waddle
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It will be interesting to see who gets Ngakia, I'm guessing we'll find out this week.
DiVaio
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He would have been ideal if we want to replace Aurier with someone else who can't cross and can't defend.
mr ashley
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It worked for PSG!
C0YS
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I dunno. The clips I saw of him make him look like a good crosser of the ball, strong in the tackle and surprisingly quick.
He is playing today at left back. Will tell you what I see!
C0YS
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He moved onto the right from around 60 mins onwards. I really liked what I saw he played the ball quickly, often one or two touch. Seems technically very sound don't think he misplaced a pass. He was demanding the ball a lot and seemed like a good personality. Often he would link up with 1-2s with the midfield and likes to run into the far post and demand crosses from the opposite flank. He seems to have good movement, he isn't super quick but he is far from slow, much quicker than you would expect from a player who looks like a CB. He would often try to sprint down the flank looking for a return ball.
He had two good attacking moments. The first was a great cut back plucking the ball from the air almost resulting in a goal. The second he found space on the flank and tried to pull it back for a striker but was well intercepted.
Defensively he wasn't overly tested, but made one good interception and made a few good headed clearances. He did fail to block two incoming crosses into the box, one resulting in a goal, and in that one he probably should have come out a little quicker but it was a fantastic cross and the CB lost his man in the box. So I wouldn't say he was at fault.
My biggest worry is how he would adapt to the more frantic pace of the PL, and this is always difficult to say. But, I really liked what I saw and I like players who play with this economical quick style rather than holding onto the ball trying to do something fancy.
From what I saw today I am a fan, and he should be both affordable and gettable, as he wants to move to the PL. I think he might not be our starting RB but I think he would add needed depth to the position and think he looks very solid and effective.
He had two good attacking moments. The first was a great cut back plucking the ball from the air almost resulting in a goal. The second he found space on the flank and tried to pull it back for a striker but was well intercepted.
Defensively he wasn't overly tested, but made one good interception and made a few good headed clearances. He did fail to block two incoming crosses into the box, one resulting in a goal, and in that one he probably should have come out a little quicker but it was a fantastic cross and the CB lost his man in the box. So I wouldn't say he was at fault.
My biggest worry is how he would adapt to the more frantic pace of the PL, and this is always difficult to say. But, I really liked what I saw and I like players who play with this economical quick style rather than holding onto the ball trying to do something fancy.
From what I saw today I am a fan, and he should be both affordable and gettable, as he wants to move to the PL. I think he might not be our starting RB but I think he would add needed depth to the position and think he looks very solid and effective.
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If we go for a Atalanta wingback we should be getting Robin Gosens, he's incredibly good and yet still so underrated. I watch a lot of Atalanta games and he would walk into pretty much any EPL LB spot besides Robertson's at Liverpool.
Castagne is a decent option for us based on the contract and his utility, but he isn't even better than Hateboer, let alone Gosens. If we sign him we definitely can't give up Aurier, but we'd have good coverage on the flanks between Davies/Sess/Aurier/Castagne...with that being said, none of those four are top 4 quality fullbacks anymore, Aurier is the closest but lacks the consistency.
Castagne is a decent option for us based on the contract and his utility, but he isn't even better than Hateboer, let alone Gosens. If we sign him we definitely can't give up Aurier, but we'd have good coverage on the flanks between Davies/Sess/Aurier/Castagne...with that being said, none of those four are top 4 quality fullbacks anymore, Aurier is the closest but lacks the consistency.
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arunspurs
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I watched him live once. Watched Europa League qualifiers (leg2) Copenhagen vs Atalanta 2 yrs back. It was a shite game 0-0, Copenhagen ended up the winners on penalty.
But, I distinctly remember Atalata both wings backs having a good game. Castagne got hurt bad in head in the game but, he ended up playing with bandage the full 120min. The formation meant he was always on attack.
Nowadays we play Aurier so far up the pitch with a withdrawn Davies role. If so, then Castagne will be perfect.
His youtube video doesn't do justice on pace - he is quite able and track back and defend.
Atal would be my first pick but if we ended up with him, I am not against it - he is a decent RB
But, I distinctly remember Atalata both wings backs having a good game. Castagne got hurt bad in head in the game but, he ended up playing with bandage the full 120min. The formation meant he was always on attack.
Nowadays we play Aurier so far up the pitch with a withdrawn Davies role. If so, then Castagne will be perfect.
His youtube video doesn't do justice on pace - he is quite able and track back and defend.
Atal would be my first pick but if we ended up with him, I am not against it - he is a decent RB
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For the formation we play, we should be all over Atal. He would be perfect.
Chirpystheman
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Dont see arsenal or Chelsea going for him. Chelsea have James who they rate highly and are not looking at RB. If he would prefer to go arsenal over us then good luck to him. They are going backwards very quickly and lots of players are looking for a way out.
Chirpystheman
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Im not sure where meunier gets this excellent going forward tag from. There is a video on twitter of every cross hes attempted this season. They were all woeful. People get on Auriers back about his crossing but this guy is not an upgrade offensively on aurier. Atal is the one. Whether we can afford him is the question
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I think Hateboer are different players though and full backs play a particular way for Atalanta. For what it's worth Hateboer was run ragged defensively today and was substituted off in response to that.
Atalanta's fullbacks are good for atalanta, who play a very particular style of football, these players might not look so good in a team like ours. The fullbacks play so high up, Gosens has strikers records of goals cored, but he is not going to have that roll in most teams.
Also, Atalanta are largely top 4 quality. They are in the quarter finals of the champions league and didn't just beat Valencia in the last sixteen but completely tore them apart, which is something they regularly so, as I am sure you know. Were they tend to struggle is teams who sit and play long balls on the counter, but there record against big teams is exceptional. What Gasperini, always an underrated manager, has done is incredible.
A few seasons ago they sold off most of their team, and so many young talented Italian players have been developed there and become full internationals and they have been a major reason for the international resurgence of talented Italians coming through the systems. Not just based on talent they developed, but how other middling clubs started to try and replicate what Atalanta did. Players like Caldera, Spinazzola (not from the academy but really developed there), Conti, Cristante, Petagna, Bonaventura (Now captain of Milan), Basselli and Zappacosta were developed and sold, yet, somehow they got better.
I think they are super good and have seriously good players Gomez would be a dream signing for me. But Zapata, Muriel and Illicic is an attacking four to die for. Though again, the success rate of their sells varies considerably. Because they play to a system that works very well and a player outside of that system might not be all that.
Anyway, my point was, not being a starting fullback for Atalanta does mean you are not a champions league fullback. Also how many top 4 fullbacks are there in 'top 6' teams? Not that many!
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19/20 (bar
Goals 2
Assists 2
18/19
Goals 5
Assists 7
17/18
Goals 5
Assists 5
16/17
Goals 2
Assists 7
He’s a dam sight more productive than any of our current and past full backs.
C0YS
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Aurier
19/20
Goals 2
Assists 8
Trippier
19/20
Goals 0
Assists 5
18/19
goals 1
Assists 5
17/18
Goals 0
Assists 8
Also
Ben Davies
17/18
Goals 2
Assists 6
So not too different then our last two predominantly attacking fullbacks. I also want to point out, PSG plays in a much worse league and they score a lot of goals, assists are not hard. Looking purely at Ligue 1, his top finish was being the 8th best assist giver in the club. In tottenham that would be 2 or 3 assists and more or less where our fullbacks end up. Same with goals, his top in Ligue 1 put his as the 7th/8th top scorer in the club, putting him level with the likes of Erik Dier, Ben Davies, Danny Rose and Vincent Jassen in the last few years at spurs.
I do like him though, and he is a bit of a big game player, and seems to thrive in Champions league performances. I think he would have fulfilled a role and wouldn't have been against it, but don't think his statistical imput would have been particularly different than we currently have.
For what it's worth Timothy's production is like this
19/20
Goals: 2
Assists: 2
18/19
Goals: 5
Assists: 4
17/18
Goals: 1
Assists: 2
Not too shabby, particularly for a rotational player, in a tougher league. but he wont score 5 goals in a season for Spurs, he just wont, he's not going to be playing a wingback in the 3 man defence in a league high scoring team.
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This as well as honestly I think we have been priced out of Atal. I still think even with the injuries he will cost a nut and someone like Man city/PSG/UTD/Chelsea will get him. The reason I think he will be so expensive is the fact that he has put up really good numbers and being able to play every position down the right flank.
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Also breaking down Castagne's stats. He clearly has less good attacking stats than the other two fullbacks. However, his pass success rate at 85,4% puts him ahead of the others in his position.
The tackle rate is pretty good as well 1.3 tackles out of 1.6 attempted tackles, which is a deviation of 0.3, that puts him near the top of the team and much better than the others who play in his position (Hateboer has a deviation of 0.6 , Gosens 0,8, and just for comparison, Aurier has a 1,0). At 0.4 times dribbled past in 90 mins also puts him as the top defender in not getting dribbled past (Aurier has 1,0).
He wins 58% of his headers, that's pretty good. It is bellow Gosens but ahead of Hateboer. To give you a sense of what that means Aurier is at 50%, Sanchez is at 56%, Dier 62%, Toby is 48% Jan is at 68% and top of the class is Davies at 75%. It must be mentioned that you would expect fullbacks to have a higher rate, wingers don't tend to be all that in the air. Similarly, the PL might be a little tougher, but he is probably also making quite a lot of attacking headers that might lower his rate.
He is also a squad leader in blocking crosses and second in blocking passes. His cross accuracy is good, at 29% and it is where he gets half his key passes. Aurier's cross accuracy by the way is 17%, now this can be explained by the fact Aurier attempts almost double the crosses that Castagne does, a lot of these crosses might be higher risk. However, Aurier only gets 0.1 more accurate crosses than Castagne. Which is very interesting, it shows that he doesn't cross often but he is still creating the same amount of chances from crosses as Aurier does.
Where he doesn't do particularly well is in chance creation when compared to others in position. In other words, he is more solid than the others in the team, but less effective offensively. He creates 0.9 key passes a game, which is bellow the 1.6 and 1.3 of his fellow wing backs, and bellow Aurier's 1.2. It is still pretty good though.
So looking at the stats, backs up more or less what I saw. He is a technically a very solid player, you can tell that by crossing. It seems the stats back up the belief that he is more defensively minded than the other options in Atalanta and one would hope that would also indicate that he would be better suited to a back 4. The more I look into this guy the more I like it. I just don't see what we could lose from this deal, he wants to come, he is available and wont cost a fortune.
The tackle rate is pretty good as well 1.3 tackles out of 1.6 attempted tackles, which is a deviation of 0.3, that puts him near the top of the team and much better than the others who play in his position (Hateboer has a deviation of 0.6 , Gosens 0,8, and just for comparison, Aurier has a 1,0). At 0.4 times dribbled past in 90 mins also puts him as the top defender in not getting dribbled past (Aurier has 1,0).
He wins 58% of his headers, that's pretty good. It is bellow Gosens but ahead of Hateboer. To give you a sense of what that means Aurier is at 50%, Sanchez is at 56%, Dier 62%, Toby is 48% Jan is at 68% and top of the class is Davies at 75%. It must be mentioned that you would expect fullbacks to have a higher rate, wingers don't tend to be all that in the air. Similarly, the PL might be a little tougher, but he is probably also making quite a lot of attacking headers that might lower his rate.
He is also a squad leader in blocking crosses and second in blocking passes. His cross accuracy is good, at 29% and it is where he gets half his key passes. Aurier's cross accuracy by the way is 17%, now this can be explained by the fact Aurier attempts almost double the crosses that Castagne does, a lot of these crosses might be higher risk. However, Aurier only gets 0.1 more accurate crosses than Castagne. Which is very interesting, it shows that he doesn't cross often but he is still creating the same amount of chances from crosses as Aurier does.
Where he doesn't do particularly well is in chance creation when compared to others in position. In other words, he is more solid than the others in the team, but less effective offensively. He creates 0.9 key passes a game, which is bellow the 1.6 and 1.3 of his fellow wing backs, and bellow Aurier's 1.2. It is still pretty good though.
So looking at the stats, backs up more or less what I saw. He is a technically a very solid player, you can tell that by crossing. It seems the stats back up the belief that he is more defensively minded than the other options in Atalanta and one would hope that would also indicate that he would be better suited to a back 4. The more I look into this guy the more I like it. I just don't see what we could lose from this deal, he wants to come, he is available and wont cost a fortune.
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I'm not fully sold on Atal. Mostly because the French league can be very deceptive, but I understand the talent.
The thing is though, his numbers aren't that good. They really aren't. He has got 1 assist in two years. He scored 6 goals last season, which is impressive, but his crossing is terrible 13% accuracy. I think his hype is the mixture of the goals and that he is exciting to watch, he runs at people. His goals as well were mostly scored when played as a winger and most of them came in one game.
Now obviously we shoudn't judge fullbacks on end product, but I can see his career going two ways. Becoming one of the best fullbacks in the world or being part of a relegated Newcastle or West ham side as one of those ex-hyped players who are exciting to watch but not particularly good.
