This Week’s Manager Watch: Ryan Mason

[Crow]

The big difference there is that Mason is a great lad, whereas Sherwood was a ****.

 

[TOMSPURS]

You had me on board until that final paragraph.
All those coaches you listed were vastly more experienced than mason both as Coaches and as players for club and country.

The problem I have with hiring Mason is not actually him, it's his coaching staff or lack thereof. Every successful manager has a solid coaching set up around him. Mason hasn't had the time in role to know who his set-up should include

Firstly I am not advocating Mason as manager but just highlighting that his lack of managerial experience doesn't necessarily mean he automatically couldn't do a very good job or should be automatically ruled out.

Pep had 1 season managing Barca B in the 4th tier in Spain, against semi-pro opposition. Scaloni 2 years as an assistant before getting Argentina job. Personally don't think a persons playing career guarantees anything when it comes to how good a coach they will be.... Roy Keane, Lampard, Gerrard etc..

Mason may be young, but has almost 6 years coaching experience built up at Spurs. I'd assume at this stage, he has a very clear view on what needs to change at the club. If JN wants the job, obviously think he's the one you appoint. If it's Slot or Mason, then think I'd prefer Mason.

 

[Locotoro]

Firstly I am not advocating Mason as manager but just highlighting that his lack of managerial experience doesn't necessarily mean he automatically couldn't do a very good job or should be automatically ruled out.

Pep had 1 season managing Barca B in the 4th tier in Spain, against semi-pro opposition. Scaloni 2 years as an assistant before getting Argentina job. Personally don't think a persons playing career guarantees anything when it comes to how good a coach they will be.... Roy Keane, Lampard, Gerrard etc..

Mason may be young, but has almost 6 years coaching experience built up at Spurs. I'd assume at this stage, he has a very clear view on what needs to change at the club. If JN wants the job, obviously think he's the one you appoint. If it's Slot or Mason, then think I'd prefer Mason.

I agree with you on a players career doesn't guarantee you being a great coach but having an extensive career at the top helps you understand what's required and those coaches you initially listed were all elite players with elite clubs and elite coaching setups.

Pep actually spent a year as player coach under Juan Manuel Lillo (who later became his assistant at City). Scaloni was an assistant to Sampaio at Sevilla for a year before becoming assistant at Argentina. Hes been national manager since 2018.
My point is that this time gleaned as coaches and players had allowed them to forge relationships with other coaches with like-minded philosophies and people that could be relied upon.
Mason hasn't had that time as a player or a coach to do that

 

[Trent Crimm]

Ryan is I’m sure a great bloke. It’s just way to soon to throw him into the pit that is spurs manager right now. Levy would be throwing him to the lions. He needs to go away and learn from the way up. Lovely he has mates in the team, that’s half the prob imo.

we need a clean sweep. No levy spies in the management team. It’s all too cosy.

 

[BorisTM]

Even he couldn't resist the temptation to play Dier as centerback!

 

[longtimespur]

Even he couldn't resist the temptation to play Dier as centerback!

That’s enough for me to say NO.

 

[robotsonic]

You think given that he has bled Tottenham his whole life, and the demonstration of character he's shown to come back from such adversity, he might be given a little bit more credit in the bank by some of our support to be honest.

But alas, it's "plays his mates" and "levy spy"

 

[easley91]

You think given that he has bled Tottenham his whole life, and the demonstration of character he's shown to come back from such adversity, he might be given a little bit more credit in the bank by some of our support to be honest.

But alas, it's "plays his mates" and "levy spy"

He only plays his mates, because they're the only ones fit and available at that time..

 

[Japhet]

I agree with you on a players career doesn't guarantee you being a great coach but having an extensive career at the top helps you understand what's required and those coaches you initially listed were all elite players with elite clubs and elite coaching setups.

Pep actually spent a year as player coach under Juan Manuel Lillo (who later became his assistant at City). Scaloni was an assistant to Sampaio at Sevilla for a year before becoming assistant at Argentina. Hes been national manager since 2018.
My point is that this time gleaned as coaches and players had allowed them to forge relationships with other coaches with like-minded philosophies and people that could be relied upon.
Mason hasn't had that time as a player or a coach to do that

The flip side of that argument is coaches like Wenger, Mourinho and Klopp who did little or nothing as players.

 

[Locotoro]

The flip side of that argument is coaches like Wenger, Mourinho and Klopp who did little or nothing as players.

I agree there are always exceptions but those you listed are not that. Despite never hitting the heights Wenger actually had a ten year career as a footballer (not top level and usually as a back up but still ten years) and as a player many of his teammates said he was more like a coach than a player even as a teenager he was running training sessions.

Mourinho's path to management is similar in that as a player he was scouting the opposition for his father/manager who had played for Portugal at international level. Then Bobby Robson and Van Gaal before striking out on his own.

As for Klopp despite not being a great he had a very long and relatively successful career finishing 10 years at Mainz as their record goalscorer and then had a good 5 years in 2Bundesliga before getting Mainz promoted

All these players may not have had stellar playing careers but still long, successful relatively speaking and with lots of opportunity to hone their skills

 

[Locotoro]

You think given that he has bled Tottenham his whole life, and the demonstration of character he's shown to come back from such adversity, he might be given a little bit more credit in the bank by some of our support to be honest.

But alas, it's "plays his mates" and "levy spy"

I think he's an inspiration. However I don't think he's ready for two reasons.

1. He's not ready because he needs more time to establish his set up and his coaching support team.
2. More importantly, he's not ready because I believe we, the fans, are not ready. Imagine he goes on a bad set of results? The fan base would eat him alive. "He's got no experience", "he's Levy's yes man", " the cheap option". There is no way I'd want to do that to him.

Strangely, we have a spurs man that is proving himself and has gone out to establish his credentials and yet not a single word has been said if him - one Kieran Mckenna

 

[parj]

I'd take Kompany over Mason all day long. He's a winner and leader as a player and transformed Burnley in his first role.

Wasn't he managing in Belgium?

 

[parj]

baffled by the people who want mason given the job full time, yes seems like a nice guy, but we need a complete cultural reset top to bottom

And who better to be part of the cultural change than a manager who love Tottenham? Get in the right DoF and Mason can start the rebuilding process. We don't need stars, we need young hungry players playing the right way.

 

[parj]

That’s enough for me to say NO.

Who else do you play at centre back?

 

[isaac94]

And who better to be part of the cultural change than a manager who love Tottenham? Get in the right DoF and Mason can start the rebuilding process. We don't need stars, we need young hungry players playing the right way.

dont think purely being a person who loves spurs makes someone up to the job (lamaprd case and point), truth is his a novice with little managerial experience, he needs to go lower down and earn his stripes, we are meant to be a big club

 

[Locotoro]

I'll repeat myself. Why is no one suggesting Kieran Mckenna as the Spurs man option.
He's just about to get Ipswich promotion with the highest scorers in the division

 

[robotsonic]

I think he's an inspiration. However I don't think he's ready for two reasons.

1. He's not ready because he needs more time to establish his set up and his coaching support team.
2. More importantly, he's not ready because I believe we, the fans, are not ready. Imagine he goes on a bad set of results? The fan base would eat him alive. "He's got no experience", "he's Levy's yes man", " the cheap option". There is no way I'd want to do that to him.

Strangely, we have a spurs man that is proving himself and has gone out to establish his credentials and yet not a single word has been said if him - one Kieran Mckenna

Don't necessarily think he's ready myself, it's just disappointing but typical to see the baseless twattery thrown at him on here for no good reason.

I think after what he's given the club over his career, what he's been through to come back from, and how he's taken over a club twice in the shit at his young age to try and give his best for us all, you'd expect better than he gets, but it sums up some of the support on here that they'd rather make out like he's a Daniel Levy stooge and [insert out of favour player]'s best mate. Pathetic, imo.

 

[isaac94]

I'll repeat myself. Why is no one suggesting Kieran Mckenna as the Spurs man option.
He's just about to get Ipswich promotion with the highest scorers in the division

its league 1, they didnt even finish top, and they had by far the biggest budget in the league, a good achievement but hardly eye catching for a top 6 prem club

 

[InOffMeLeftShin]

dont think purely being a person who loves spurs makes someone up to the job (lamaprd case and point), truth is his a novice with little managerial experience, he needs to go lower down and earn his stripes, we are meant to be a big club

He needs to down to lower levels to prove he is good enough to the fans and the board but that doesn’t mean he needs to go down to the lower levels to actually get better. It’s just more of a risk of the unknown but the “known” hasn’t exactly worked for us of late.

I’m not advocating for him but I wouldn’t be unhappy taking that risk rather than bringing on a known quantity that just views us as another job.

 

[Trix]

Let's see if he makes the tough decisions by dropping Dier.

For who though? Only option I see is Lenglet into the middle and Davies as LCB, and I'm not sure that is any sort of answer tbh.