The Weekend ITK Discussion Thread 24/25 August 2013

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faze_coys

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Nobody thinks, or should think, he's a winger. He's a left-footed forward who plays on the right and cuts inside. The idea with a player like him is that he plays on the right of a 4-3-3, which it would certainly appear is what we're attempting to do under AVB. Honestly from what I've seen, Hulk reminds me of a souped-up Defoe, just in a different position. Similar goal-hungry mindset, similar direct play, just Hulk is more talented. My worry is that, like Defoe, though he'll put up decent (or in Hulk's case, outstanding) numbers, you can't really build a team around him and he doesn't really have a place as a first option for a team looking to really make noise. ALSO, not unlike Defoe, when he was at Porto he picked up a reputation as being something of a flat-track bully, though I can't really speak to that as I'm much more familiar with Defoe's day-in, day-out record than Hulk's.

Lamela is supposed to be a more central player, though he has played on wing cutting in. This is largely because of Totti's presence and mini-renaissance at Roma; from what I've seen from Roma fans they view him as Totti's heir, which would be in, essentially, a free role (they call it a trequartista.) He would be a very interesting addition, as there's a pretty compelling argument to be made that he's one of the most talented young players in the world. The statistics show him to be an absurdly talented dribbler, I believe he had the third-most successful dribbles in Serie A last season. It's hard for me to believe we'd get him, because that just doesn't seem possible, but if we do... oh man.

Theres one Huge thing you are overlooking here,

Hulk more times than not makes the right decision, his assist stats only tell half the story (and they are excellent)

how many times over the last week have we seen the Argument 'It doesnt matter Willan doesnt Score much because he is an assist machine"

Well Hulk Scores and Assist and can put in a good team shift, similar to how he played in the Confed Final where he was excellent in a understated role.

You dont need players to build teams around, look at united for the perfect example, they constantly build UNITS and no player is bigger than the team..... that is why they have been so successful
 

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It was from ftl.forum. my cousin is a member. Will have to ask him again who posted it but said he went to view Fryers flat and got talking and player told him he's being loaned out. Vlad was from same site. I am new to forums so dont know etiquette but I will ask for sources next time. Many apologises.

No problem Kursaal, looks like the Vlad bit has some legs based off some other quotes from coach and agent.

You the man and welcome to the forum.
 

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Theres one Huge thing you are overlooking here,

Hulk more times than not makes the right decision, his assist stats only tell half the story (and they are excellent)

how many times over the last week have we seen the Argument 'It doesnt matter Willan doesnt Score much because he is an assist machine"

Well Hulk Scores and Assist and can put in a good team shift, similar to how he played in the Confed Final where he was excellent in a understated role.

You dont need players to build teams around, look at united for the perfect example, they constantly build UNITS and no player is bigger than the team..... that is why they have been so successful
That is a fair point there at the end, but in my experience watching him he's been a player who either scores or has a minimal impact. I agree that obviously when building a team you want the focus to be on the whole being larger than the sum of its parts, but I would also suggest that Manchester United is Manchester United, and to the best of my knowledge we don't have the best manager in English, and arguably world, history working for us. A team such as ours, unless we can make that next step, is always going to be dependent on a standout player.

United's ethos was established just before the serious money came into football, and it strikes me that with how quickly things move in the sport these days, it's hard to build as strong a foundation as Ferguson did. Attrition, agent greed, and the simple fact of a shorter collective attention span make it harder (but certainly not impossible) to build a real TEAM without a very, very intense amount of money.
 

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Mata is one of the few intelligent footballers off the field, he's already got one if not two degrees and is studying for another in his spare time. Someone like him may not be so easily guided by agents or chasing the money. Just a thought. If he played for someone else of Chelsea's stature and genuinely has fallen out of contention I think he'd consider us. However, Chelsea would rather let him rot than strengthen us. Shame.
 

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Mata is one of the few intelligent footballers off the field, he's already got one if not two degrees and is studying for another in his spare time. Someone like him may not be so easily guided by agents or chasing the money. Just a thought. If he played for someone else of Chelsea's stature and genuinely has fallen out of contention I think he'd consider us. However, Chelsea would rather let him rot than strengthen us. Shame.

He'd honestly be worthy of a 40m bid. He's so fantastic and after watching a Behind the Scenes special on him, you're right, he's a quality person as well.
 

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Where did the Mata ITK come from?

I would literally cringe with embarrassment if it transpires that we go to Chelsea cap in hand after they have just stolen our transfer target and laughed in our face about it. Surely we have too much self respect to even contemplate this.
 

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Also be nice to get some ITK on Nedlev or Halilovic (although I've almost given up on the second one)

I think like others have stated, these sort of deals have been put on the back burner due to the Willian, Lamela and Bale transfers.
 

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Hulk reminds me of the Willian scenario, personally I think there both overrated but if AVB wanted them il back him! I just hope any potential move for Hulk doesn't stop the Lamela deal! He's the one we really need!
 

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He'd honestly be worthy of a 40m bid. He's so fantastic and after watching a Behind the Scenes special on him, you're right, he's a quality person as well.
If you had a choice hypothetically Mata or Ozil at £40 million?

I think we have more chance of Ozil, if reports are true of him wanting to leave. I just feel United would be all over that (even though they would just be wasting Kagawa).
 

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hulk wud score plenty. has a hammer of a shot... wide player who is effective and direct just like bale and really puts in a shift for the team... if we cant have world beaters then the team unit needs to be spot on.

would be a real strong solid signing. will happen? doubt it
 

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That is a fair point there at the end, but in my experience watching him he's been a player who either scores or has a minimal impact. I agree that obviously when building a team you want the focus to be on the whole being larger than the sum of its parts, but I would also suggest that Manchester United is Manchester United, and to the best of my knowledge we don't have the best manager in English, and arguably world, history working for us. A team such as ours, unless we can make that next step, is always going to be dependent on a standout player.

United's ethos was established just before the serious money came into football, and it strikes me that with how quickly things move in the sport these days, it's hard to build as strong a foundation as Ferguson did. Attrition, agent greed, and the simple fact of a shorter collective attention span make it harder (but certainly not impossible) to build a real TEAM without a very, very intense amount of money.
Look at AVB as Fergie in the early 90's ;)

For the first time in how long we do have a manger who is trying to build a very strong SQUAD rather than a just a strong first 11, i think selling bale will be even more beneficial for the long term should we replace him with 2 top class attacking talents (and all the other strengthening we could do with the extra cash.... who needs oil money when you've got bale money???)
 

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Also be nice to get some ITK on Nedlev or Halilovic (although I've almost given up on the second one)

I think like others have stated, these sort of deals have been put on the back burner due to the Willian, Lamela and Bale transfers.
Nedelev was having a medical next week I thought.

As for Halilovic, that just seems to be in stasis in that everything is agreed yet nothing is happening but with Willian all but gone, I think it makes the deal that bit more appealing to conclude.
 
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