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mill

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People keep saying daft things like this.

Bale is ONE player, he can only be replaced by ONE player. Plus we have already signed Chadli who might wonder what the hell he was signed for if we went out and bought two more wing forward types.
Er you're daft if you believe replacing Bale with just one of them won't make us weaker than we currently are

Edit: I believe we need one of them if we keep Bale as we seriously lack creativity imo
 

Gedson100

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Er you're daft if you believe replacing Bale with just one of them won't make us weaker than we currently are

Edit: I believe we need one of them if we keep Bale as we seriously lack creativity imo
I appreciate we need a bit of guile but we can't put 12 players on the pitch and obviously we are weaker without him.
If we sell Bale it makes sense to buy ONE good quality player to replace him in the squad.
 

WiganSpur

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People keep saying daft things like this.

Bale is ONE player, he can only be replaced by ONE player. Plus we have already signed Chadli who might wonder what the hell he was signed for if we went out and bought two more wing forward types.

Not necessarily. Willian would be the only direct competition to Nacer. Both would see game time, especially in all competitions. Despite playing in the same position they are different players who would give us different options. Nacer brings us strength in the final third whereas Willian would be more subtle and inventive. I do believe Lamela will be our only signing though after a LB and a CB come in.
 

mill

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I appreciate we need a bit of guile but we can't put 12 players on the pitch and obviously we are weaker without him.
If we sell Bale it makes sense to buy ONE good quality player to replace him in the squad.
Not in my opinion, no one player will be as good as him, they may have the potential but they won't be at that level now, so selling Bale and replacing with one player would be weaking a position of strength
 

worcestersauce

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Whoever we replace bale with will leave us weaker as we can't replace him with anyone currently as good.
That said we therefore have to improve other positions, other players and strengthen the squad leaving the whole sum total as good or better and if he does stay we'll be waaay better and what's wrong with that?
Personally I'm not stressed either way, this club is improving, its on the move and its moving up.
 

GetSpurredOn

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With Assou-Ekotto, Naughton, Huddlestone, Parker, Livermore, Townsend, Bale, Adebayor and JD being linked away

And links to Lamela, Chiriches, Halilovic, Coentrao and Capoue as possibilities.

I'll take AVB's word, over business still taking place. It looks to me that this could be very busy.

I actually think Townsend, Naughton and possibly Livermore will stay. Townsend based on his QPR form, and if he continues, I think he could surpass Lennon based on his goal threat. Naughton and Livermore are versatile, probably fairly modest wages, and English so count on the academy/national trained quota.
The others may well go. I actually agree with Kellogs comment, serious or not, if Ade and Defoe are sold, don't rule out going back for Leandro now his Napoli deal has fallen through. Soldado, Damaio and a younger 3rd choice, less expectant of starts.
Capoue will come, Coentrao most likely will too, the a CD, either Chiriches or Ilori. Probably movement on strikers too, depending on what happens with Ade and Defoe. Halilovic, who knows. Lamela is key, I do feel if he comes Bale is off, I just cannot see us keeping both.

Not in my opinion, no one player will be as good as him, they may have the potential but they won't be at that level now, so selling Bale and replacing with one player would be weaking a position of strength

I agree with what you're saying in principle, but in reality I also see the other side of the argument. Replacing Bale for one player with like for like impact would be difficult. That's why I think it would be more than one player bought. Agreed only one player can replace him numerically in the lineup, but if his sale means we upgrade a few other positions, there should be less of the "one man team" scenario, so we would improve as a whole.
For example. If Bale's sale allows us to replace him with Lamela, and upgrade Ade/Defoe with a Morata/Leandro, thus reducing the pressure on Soldado to do it all on his own, and upgrade someone like Sig with Eriksen, then have we not improved by buying multiple players to replace Bale?
 

Teddy Klinsmann

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Whoever we replace bale with will leave us weaker as we can't replace him with anyone currently as good.
That said we therefore have to improve other positions, other players and strengthen the squad leaving the whole sum total as good or better and if he does stay we'll be waaay better and what's wrong with that?
Personally I'm not stressed either way, this club is improving, its on the move and its moving up.

Agree. If/when Bale goes IMO we'll use the money to buy another winger and forward of high quality. Yesterday I was concerned that without Soldado we'd be very much back to square 1 in terms of options up front. I really think we'll add 1 more to support/compete with him.
 

mill

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I actually think Townsend, Naughton and possibly Livermore will stay. Townsend based on his QPR form, and if he continues, I think he could surpass Lennon based on his goal threat. Naughton and Livermore are versatile, probably fairly modest wages, and English so count on the academy/national trained quota.
The others may well go. I actually agree with Kellogs comment, serious or not, if Ade and Defoe are sold, don't rule out going back for Leandro now his Napoli deal has fallen through. Soldado, Damaio and a younger 3rd choice, less expectant of starts.
Capoue will come, Coentrao most likely will too, the a CD, either Chiriches or Ilori. Probably movement on strikers too, depending on what happens with Ade and Defoe. Halilovic, who knows. Lamela is key, I do feel if he comes Bale is off, I just cannot see us keeping both.



I agree with what you're saying in principle, but in reality I also see the other side of the argument. Replacing Bale for one player with like for like impact would be difficult. That's why I think it would be more than one player bought. Agreed only one player can replace him numerically in the lineup, but if his sale means we upgrade a few other positions, there should be less of the "one man team" scenario, so we would improve as a whole.
For example. If Bale's sale allows us to replace him with Lamela, and upgrade Ade/Defoe with a Morata/Leandro, thus reducing the pressure on Soldado to do it all on his own, and upgrade someone like Sig with Eriksen, then have we not improved by buying multiple players to replace Bale?

We've done that so far anyway and we seem to be kicking on with it as well, whether that's in anticipation of Bale going IDK, but if these signings are independent of the Bale deal then just replacing him with one player leaves us weaker than with him. The teams been strengthened no doubt, but whatever you look at it

Bale-soldado-chadli

Is stronger than

Willian/lamela-soldado-chadli

So is

Lamela-soldado-willian
 

Hoopspur

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I think there are still deals to be done but we're now in a situation where our dealings are likely to be based on what happens with Bale.

Hence I think this week will be quiet and we'll be looking at deadline week/day for the next few deals.

Not sure I agree. There are obviously 'critical' areas of the team. It really has no baring on whether GB goes or not if the club decide we have to have a LB or CH.

I'm sure these types of deals will still be in the pipeline. If the club thinks that Daws, Verts, YK and maybe a combination of EC/ZF are enough to get us through til Xmas then we'll leave that. If though they've decided irrespective that we need another CH then I would have hoped it would be sooner rather than later.

Personally i hope they are now buying players to enhance and improve the squad though rather than just plug gaps.
 

Riandor

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People keep saying daft things like this.

Bale is ONE player, he can only be replaced by ONE player. Plus we have already signed Chadli who might wonder what the hell he was signed for if we went out and bought two more wing forward types.
He was signed to play for THFC, up to him to prove he is worthy of a starting position, regardless of who we brought in.
 

allatsea

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We've done that so far anyway and we seem to be kicking on with it as well, whether that's in anticipation of Bale going IDK, but if these signings are independent of the Bale deal then just replacing him with one player leaves us weaker than with him. The teams been strengthened no doubt, but whatever you look at it

Bale-soldado-chadli

Is stronger than

Willian/lamela-soldado-chadli

So is

Lamela-soldado-willian


Not sure what your point is other than one player cannot replace Bale. One player cannot replace Messi the same with Ronaldo. All you can do is use any money from a sale of Bale to make the squad stronger as a unit. Even if Bale stayed with us for the rest of his career he will eventually have to be replaced.
 

Geordie_Yid

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I'm starting to think we will sign Eriksen! Has Levy written all over it, last year in his contract and will use this to pay less than he's actually worth like we did with Vertonghen
 

voxy28

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I've been away for a couple of days, is the assumption now back to "Bale is going"? How come?

A few depressed folks who reading between AVB interview and also the amount of spending Levy had been doing. THey cannot accept Bale stays and AVB overhaul the squad. :)
 

ryantegan

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We were a good team with a Special player last season.

So far we have brought in Paulinho, Chadli, Capoue and Soldado.

We are still actively looking at other players of equal abilty to those we have already signed.
We have Kaboul and Sandro back as well.

The way I see it now is we have at least a very good team with a special player or alternatively, a very good team with the vacancy for someone else to show they can become a special player. Football moves on and so does THFC. We wasnt formed that night we lost 4-3 in Milan. We as a great club are able to create a pedestal for some amazing talents. Bale has taken advantage of that, in the same way that Greaves, Blanchflower, Hoddle, Waddle, Gascoigne, Ginola, Gilzean, White, Modric, Berbatov, Klinsmann, Sheringham, Ardiles, Crooks, Mackay, Jennings and so on, did in the past.

The key to taking us to the nextr level and winning things is to have a great team built around these stars. We are closer to doing that now than we have ever been in my lifetime. keep the faith, its going to be a rollercoaster week
 

mill

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Not sure what your point is other than one player cannot replace Bale. One player cannot replace Messi the same with Ronaldo. All you can do is use any money from a sale of Bale to make the squad stronger as a unit. Even if Bale stayed with us for the rest of his career he will eventually have to be replaced.
Hence why I'd want both willian and lamela
 

pythonboy

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I know yesterday was only a friendly and not much indication towards anything, but I hope the ITK is still current on Erikssen, I really thought we needed some guile out there, plenty of pace, power but still lacking that player that gels it all together, we aren't going to be able to paly little tricks and flicks at 100mph all the time as we'll get caught on the counter too often.
 

carlosspurs

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My tuppence on the BAE/Rose thing is that Rose is not good enough and I am very surprised that we aren't more strongly linked with an lb. Watching him yesterday and last week he gives the ball away, his positioning isn't great and he gets beaten. I personally don't think he has improved majorly in his year with Sunderland. The one thing he can do though is cross.
 
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