The VAR Thread

[Saoirse]

Why can't you move enough to the side?
As long as you keep a point of contact with the line you could bounce between feet before diving.

Also pens should be easier for the taker than the keeper.

I am/was a keeper myself - it's very hard to generate enough lateral movement to get yourself across the goal so quickly, without either moving so slowly and early that it's very easy to put the ball the other way, or ending up a small amount fowards too in the process. Absolutely the takers should have it easier - they already did, about 80% of penalties were scored at high levels of the game and that seemed a relatively fair rate. I think this could easily change that to 95% which kills a lot of the drama.

 

[Saoirse]

If they run it like the 2018 World Cup it will be fine. If it's run like the 2019 World Cup it will be a **** show.

VAR did nothing wrong here. It's applying the rules as they're written. The people who wrote and approved them - FIFA as well as the FAs of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - are the ones behind the shitshow. Any kind of consultation or trial would have told you this was a very silly idea.

 

[cwy21]

VAR did nothing wrong here. It's applying the rules as they're written. The people who wrote and approved them - FIFA as well as the FAs of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - are the ones behind the shitshow. Any kind of consultation or trial would have told you this was a very silly idea.

The rules were even more strict before this (actually required the keeper to have both feet on the line), but VAR ignored it during all of the 2018 World Cup and season. So it's the people who decided VAR needed to strictly enforce it starting in June 2019 when they basically ignored it from 2017 to May 2019 that have ****ed this up.

 

[yankspurs]

If they run it like the 2018 World Cup it will be fine. If it's run like the 2019 World Cup it will be a **** show.

It's not just the WWC, the Copa America has also been a shit show with VAR.

 

['O Zio]

I think a lot of the criticism of VAR should actually be directed at the rules instead. VAR has its issues, but a lot of this stuff people are complaining about is simply VAR highlighting how stupid and unfit for purpose some of the rules are, handballs being the obvious one

 

[nailsy]

https://www.fourfourtwo.com/feature...aly-jamaica-wendie-renard#IjzVwOVbRcgVrKGk.99

Many of the 'controversial' refereeing decisions from the past fortnight have led to suggestions that VAR itself is the problem, rather than the decisions being made.

This, though, misses the point.

So far, the controversies have come in two forms.

The first has been soft penalties. Most have been about handballs – which, given the number of Champions League controversies this season, hardly seems to be unique to the Women’s World Cup. Others have been about dangerous challenges; France’s penalty against Norway in particular.

But all of those penalty decisions have been correct, and probably would have been given in the men’s game regardless. Nothing here stands out as unique to this tournament.

The second round of controversy is a bit different, and has been over the two instances of penalty retakes. In Friday’s game between Italy and Jamaica, Cristiana Girelli saw her penalty saved by Sydney Schneider – but slotted home on the retake after Schneider was judged to have come off her line.

Monday’s match between France and Nigeria was even more controversial: Wendie Renard’s first attempt went wide, but scored with a second opportunity, following a video replay showing Chiamaka Nnadozie marginally in front of the goal line. Both Schneider and Nnadozie received yellow cards for their troubles.

This, many have argued, is the fault of VAR. Overzealousness from referees has led them to rely on video assistance for every marginal call, and the level of pedantry replays can provide is killing the game.

Don’t blame VAR, blame the rules.

In March, IFAB, the referees’ association, published a new tranche of rules to be introduced on 1 June, and which are already in use at this World Cup.
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But these decisions have been about the new rules on penalties. Essentially, they read like an exaggeration of the previous ones that dictated a goalkeeper can’t come off their line. Now, keepers must keep one foot on (or in line with) the goal line, they “must not be moving”, touching the crossbar, or stood behind the line.

This all works in the penalty taker’s favour, and points us to the real problem here. It’s not the application of the rules, nor the presence of video replays with which to interpret them, but the rules themselves that are the real issue.

Referees are being told to look out for goalkeepers breaking these rules. It wasn’t VAR that asked them to do that.

With the introduction of VAR into the Premier League next season, keepers should take note.

Totally agree with this. The new handball rule is awful. We're going to see so many penalties for unintentional handball next season - and probably a fair few where attackers intentionally flick the ball against a hand. The rule about keepers coming off the line is something that refs could turn a blind eye to before, but no they've got no choice now as they have to give the foul if it's there's evidence that the rules were broken .

There are still refereeing issues though. The lack of extra time in the Scotland game last night seemed to be staggering. I guess we need to accept that the refs are still learning how to use VAR though so mistakes will be made.

VAR's going to be an absolute trainwreck in the Prem, isn't it?

Probably for the first few months. People tend to adapt quite quickly though.

I think a lot of the criticism of VAR should actually be directed at the rules instead. VAR has its issues, but a lot of this stuff people are complaining about is simply VAR highlighting how stupid and unfit for purpose some of the rules are, handballs being the obvious one

You just know that in a years time we'll all be looking at the new handball rule for the 20/21 season thinking 'How could they make even worse?'.

 

[mawspurs]

VAR will not rule on goalkeepers' movements in the Premier League

https://www.enfieldindependent.co.u...-goalkeepers-movements-in-the-premier-league/

 

[easley91]

It's not VAR, it's the rules being applied and the officials reviewing it with these rules in my mind. I have no problem with VAR in use, as the idea has been needed for a while (offsides, tackles yellow->red, mistaken identities etc). It's these new rules, like handball, that are the major problem.

 

[SteveH]

This was interesting?

I think it’s a good move!

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/48703852

The Premier League will not use video assistant referees in 2019-20 to rule on goalkeepers moving off their line to save a penalty.

Three penalties have been retaken at the Women's World Cup after VAR ruled keepers did not have at least part of one foot on the goalline.

Professional Game Match Officials Limited (PGMOL) will leave such decisions to on-field officials.

PGMOL could review the situation during the season.

VAR will be used in the Premier League for the first time during 2019-20 but there are no plans to use it in Scotland's Premiership next season.

 

[garyhopkins]

It's not just the WWC, the Copa America has also been a shit show with VAR.

Just watched the Argentina penalty. Did the ball brush the hair on the Paraguayan's arm? Whatever happened to 'clear and obvious mistakes'?

It seems to me that because 3 or 4 extra officials are being employed those officials want to be seen to be doing something and have decided to pull **** decisions out of their ars**. Carrying on like this and the officials are likely to lead to VAR spoiling the game completely.

 

[SteveH]

It’s going to be a bit messy while the officials get used to it. There will be ongoing ‘adjustments’ as VAR evolves.
It will be difficult at the beginning for us all.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Like they just said at half-time in the US/Sweden game, the rule on penalties has to be reviewed.
A penalty that goes wide/over shouldn’t be retaken if the keeper steps off the line.
It’s also a difficult one if the penalty is completely scuffed and the keeper saves it.
Shite rule.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

And how is that not an offside decision via VAR for the second USA goal?
Defender reacts because of the striker.

 

[JCRD]

And how is that not an offside decision for the second USA goal?
Defender reacts because of the striker.

Ridiculous decision - I dont get that decision at all. Its actually wrong.

 

[Gareth88]

I predict a lot of diving in the box at corners next season with VAR

 

[BuryMeInEngland]

And how is that not an offside decision via VAR for the second USA goal?
Defender reacts because of the striker.

These VAR decisions are completely inconsistent.

 

[vuzp]

And how is that not an offside decision via VAR for the second USA goal?
Defender reacts because of the striker.

incredible decision that, a mile offside and she is going to play the ball

 

[WalkerboyUK]

Emma Hayes saying on 5 Live that there is no way the goal should have stood.

 

[vuzp]

Emma Hayes saying on 5 Live that there is no way the goal should have stood.

that goal just makes VAR a complete joke.

 

[nailsy]

VAR will not rule on goalkeepers' movements in the Premier League

https://www.enfieldindependent.co.u...-goalkeepers-movements-in-the-premier-league/

That actually annoys me even more. Why would they look at certain rules during a penalty, but ignore others? We're going to get different rules in different competitions again, just like we had in the champions League with handballs this season.

These VAR decisions are completely inconsistent.

But that's because certain decisions still come down to the referees interpretation. It's not a problem with VAR.