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NickHSpurs

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Automate offsides and keep goal line tech as others said.

Then change the "clear and obvious" checks to limited amount of replays. Two real time replays and two slowed down replays for VAR. That's it.

If a decision cannot be made after that the on-field decision stands. No more fucking around with 16 different angles and 25 replays back and forth.
 

allatsea

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Automate offsides and keep goal line tech as others said.

Then change the "clear and obvious" checks to limited amount of replays. Two real time replays and two slowed down replays for VAR. That's it.

If a decision cannot be made after that the on-field decision stands. No more fucking around with 16 different angles and 25 replays back and forth.
Exactly. It can't be "clear and obvious" if they need to go over it so many times.
 

muppetman

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VAR in the ground is very different to VAR at home. When watching on the telly, it becomes almost part of the entertainment, whereas in the ground, everyone just hangs about for a bit and wonders what's going on. Most goals and particularly scrappy goals after a corner - you're always waiting to see if it's a real goal or will be wiped out - load of shit.

For me, keep goal line tech, maybe the automated offsides if they are any good and bin off the rest. What I would do is have refs look at games after they have finished and retrospectively punish the obvious cheating - abusing the ref, diving, off the ball incidents that sort of stuff. Refs in the heat of a match might not be able to do everything, but I'd love to see cheating punished.
 

rossdapep

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I’d automate offsides and goal line tech, then for everything else put 3 referees in a room and they have to make a unanimous decision in 60 seconds to change a decision. And “clear and obvious goes out the window”, they just have to agree.

I’d also retrospectively ban for diving next season
They HAVE to clamp down on this.

I firmly believe that if they scrutinise it more then players will either stop doing it or be very careful about it.

The amount of players that are clearly diving under no contact is a disgrace yet does not get the vitriol it should.

It annoys me that it's suddenly become widely accepted in the game and the authorities approached it with this half arsed 'clamping down'.

In fact, they should have a panel, with ex players who can determine post game if a player tried to con the ref.

For example, the Burnley player who tripped over his own feet then went down clutching his leg as if he had been crunched.

That was blatant and obvious he was trying to fool the ref.

The ref can tell them to get on with it but post game the panel analyse it, with the player's behaviour to decide if he was faking and by how much.

If the dive was pathetic and a clear attempt to on the ref, he is suspended.

If it is a soft dive, as in the player just went down under no contact but got back up again. They get a yellow card added if the ref didn't act on the incident.

Maybe I'm opening a can of worms but they have to take it out the game.

I'm sick of players 'falling down' when under pressure because they player themselves into a bad situation.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Thank fuck Wolves decided to put their head above the parapet.

At best it will be scrapped and at worst they have managed to open up a conversation that publicly shows how unpopular and shit the current set up is - which may lead to some improvements.
 

Tucker

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Automate offsides and keep goal line tech as others said.

Then change the "clear and obvious" checks to limited amount of replays. Two real time replays and two slowed down replays for VAR. That's it.

If a decision cannot be made after that the on-field decision stands. No more fucking around with 16 different angles and 25 replays back and forth.
I’ve said all along that the ref going to watch it again is a waste of time that’s only there to stroke the on field refs ego. Var should have 60-90 seconds to watch a replay and decide. If there’s a clear error, inform the referee and give the penalty or what have you. Don’t waste five minutes deciding it’s a marginal call only to send the ref to have another look for five minutes himself.

If it’s obvious then it should be quick. If something isn’t obvious then just stay with the on field decision.
 

bubble07

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Dec 27, 2004
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Automate offsides and keep goal line tech as others said.

Then change the "clear and obvious" checks to limited amount of replays. Two real time replays and two slowed down replays for VAR. That's it.

If a decision cannot be made after that the on-field decision stands. No more fucking around with 16 different angles and 25 replays back and forth.

The biggest issue is players and more specifically fans just can't celebrate a goal fully

It's a sad state to be in
 

werty

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I'd gladly have to occasionally wait a minute or two to properly celebrate a goal if it means no incorrect goal is given against us.
 

sparx100

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I think it has just become overused and overcomplicated

The concept is great. I would want accurate decisions, every fan wants that but it is just not carried out in the right manner. I think the semi automated offsides should hopefully speed those decisions so hopefully an improvement for next season.

There needs to be decisions made within a specific time. If not then it is not clear and obvious.

The things it is able to check should also be limited. I get frustrated with goals where it tracks it back to the opposite penalty area to see if there was a foul Before the team went up the other end and scored. Clarity on penalties, certain goals and potentially any red card offence is it.

The decision and engagement between the VAR team and the referee should be played at the stadiums for full transparency.

I do wonder whether an appeal system would be better. Limits the opportunities to check like cricket or tennis, but again all transparent.
 

bradfordspur

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They HAVE to clamp down on this.

I firmly believe that if they scrutinise it more then players will either stop doing it or be very careful about it.

The amount of players that are clearly diving under no contact is a disgrace yet does not get the vitriol it should.

It annoys me that it's suddenly become widely accepted in the game and the authorities approached it with this half arsed 'clamping down'.

In fact, they should have a panel, with ex players who can determine post game if a player tried to con the ref.

For example, the Burnley player who tripped over his own feet then went down clutching his leg as if he had been crunched.

That was blatant and obvious he was trying to fool the ref.

The ref can tell them to get on with it but post game the panel analyse it, with the player's behaviour to decide if he was faking and by how much.

If the dive was pathetic and a clear attempt to on the ref, he is suspended.

If it is a soft dive, as in the player just went down under no contact but got back up again. They get a yellow card added if the ref didn't act on the incident.

Maybe I'm opening a can of worms but they have to take it out the game.

I'm sick of players 'falling down' when under pressure because they player themselves into a bad situation.
It would help if the assorted commentators and pundits across all channels didn't use the phrases 'he was clever there' or 'he played for the contact there'. No he wasn't nor was he clever - he cheated pure and simple. Start calling cheating out for what it is - cheating - and if it embarrasses the individuals - great!!

As for 'there was contact so he he is entitled to go down' - no he isn't! Football is a contact sport played by elite athletes, they shouldn't fall over when brushed by a feather.
 

cwy21

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I think it has just become overused and overcomplicated

The key incidents panel has identified 29 VAR errors so far this season. 24 have been when the VAR failed to intervene when they should have. Only five have been for the VAR getting involved when the original decision should have stood. That means it's been underused. Not overused.
 

fridgemagnet

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Get rid; the problem is you have the lackey's at stocky park fighting to remain relelvent either by backing up the old boys club or overstocking the PL with crap officials.
Also we as a club got treated differently after that pool game and Vicario gets not the same protection at corners as other keepers
 

spurmin

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It would help if the assorted commentators and pundits across all channels didn't use the phrases 'he was clever there' or 'he played for the contact there'. No he wasn't nor was he clever - he cheated pure and simple. Start calling cheating out for what it is - cheating - and if it embarrasses the individuals - great!!

As for 'there was contact so he he is entitled to go down' - no he isn't! Football is a contact sport played by elite athletes, they shouldn't fall over when brushed by a feather.
I agree with the cheating side of things but sometimes differentiating from what is a dive or what’s not can be a small margin especially when running full tilt. Gareth Bale springs to mind.
I do know what you mean though with the throwing themselves to the floor at the meagrest brush of a shoulder. Unfortunately they all do it.
It may take some wrong decisions to get it to stop happening.
 

bradfordspur

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I agree with the cheating side of things but sometimes differentiating from what is a dive or what’s not can be a small margin especially when running full tilt. Gareth Bale springs to mind.
I do know what you mean though with the throwing themselves to the floor at the meagrest brush of a shoulder. Unfortunately they all do it.
It may take some wrong decisions to get it to stop happening.
So that makes it OK? A bit like saying ‘everyone else is speeding, so I can’. A few yellow /red cards in game and a post game review panel to issue retrospective cards should help cut this out, even at the expense of a few wrong decisions. Watching episodes like the Arsenal player’s foot drag to ‘win’ a penalty proves that (a) the current officials and VAR are not up to standard and (b) cheats do prosper.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Thank fuck Wolves decided to put their head above the parapet.

At best it will be scrapped and at worst they have managed to open up a conversation that publicly shows how unpopular and shit the current set up is - which may lead to some improvements.
Unfortunately it won't be scrapped.

And the media and most others will see it as a vindication of VAR.

And the erosion of football will continue more strongly than ever by prioritising the most pedantic implementation of rules that are no longer fit for purpose over the values of the game that made us love it in the first place.
 

cwy21

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That penalty decision against Newcastle last night tells you all you need to know.

get rid of it - keep the automated offsides and goal line tech and then let the favoured clubs get their decisions like they did before VAR. Atleast you won't have all the waiting around and the plethora of muscular injuries from players standing around.

The panel voted 4-1 that it wasn't a PK and 5-0 that the VAR was correct to not intervene.


It's easy to shit on refs but in the end they are employees who listen to their bosses -- management in PGMOL. And the management of PGMOL listens to how those who fund them (the PL/FA/EFL) want them to officiate the game. The VAR and the ref will have been deemed to have made a correct decision here. I think that's insane but maybe our complaints need to go towards the PL and PMGOL and not just at the officials for being incompetent.
 

Flynn

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I don't want it scrapped, just consistent. Thats not going to happen until AI can make the calls.
 

soflapaul

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While I'm for automated goal line technology and offsides, the implementation has to be done better with greater uniformity. The game is getting too sterile as it is. Baseball is facing a similar problem with automation. The strike zone is now electronic in the AAA league which is the equivalent of the Championship . The majors are considering implementing it now which would reduce one of greatest traditions of baseball, the rhubarb (Argument between a manager and an umpire) since balls and strikes cause over half.

While VAR, if implemented intelligently, enhances the game's integrity, it also robs some of the subjectivety that is part of the culture. Not sure how much is worth losing as we go into this brave new world where AI is going to so roundly affect all things and we'll all probably be desperate for things human.

 
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