The VAR Thread

[wooderz]

It hasn't changed from natural position to making the body shape bigger, the laws haven't changed since they were brought in. Maybe the way it was explained by the media has, but as we didn't adopt last year, so it wasn't noticed over here, but the law and guidelines in respect of "naturally bigger" are the same as when introduced and adopted by rest of the world, with the one exception last year the laws said it was usually an offence, this year they say it is an offence.
It is both the same for attacker and defender (however the problem is if it is the defender and in box it is a penalty, whereas for attacker would just be penalised with direct free-kick, and the attacker has a further law against him that the defender doesn't, not being able to score a goal even if for a handball offence the defender would not be penalised for.
And to say nobody complained about handball for 100 years is just plain wrong, as was so open to interpretation and inconsistency (football is not just Premier League, but a global sport) and what has led to them trying to make it more black and white, but in my view going way too far with it.

Qualifying my statement, I we've had managers, players, fans and pundits all complaining loud and wide about handball this week, that hasn't happened before

 

[worcestersauce]

Having watched the game against LASK last night with no VAR the linesman gave an offside on Reguilon that I'm certain wasn't I think VAR would have confirmed that.
That said I'm almost certain before VAR that wouldn't have been given anyway but VAR has reset linesmen's thinking so they're trying to judge on an level they can't.
I still think that VAR should do away with the lines it uses, if you can't tell with the naked eye without the lines it's too close to call.

 

[Shadydan]

I think it's absolutely crazy to being using VAR in some competitions and not using it in others.

 

[Reado]

Having watched the game against LASK last night with no VAR the linesman gave an offside on Reguilon that I'm certain wasn't I think VAR would have confirmed that.
That said I'm almost certain before VAR that wouldn't have been given anyway but VAR has reset linesmen's thinking so they're trying to judge on an level they can't.
I still think that VAR should do away with the lines it uses, if you can't tell with the naked eye without the lines it's too close to call.

I agree. I think there have been some glaring offsides that have been costly. I think there was an Azpilicueta one a couple of seasons ago where hw was 3 or 4 yards off. But for everyone of those I think as a rule they get a lot of them right. And if it's minimal when freezing on a replay, then you can accept that it's tight. It's just ridiculous now. As much as I hate them, the Mane one the other day pre-VAR, if they show a replay you say he's level, and if he is off then it's marginal and I don't think too many people would have an issue with the goal being given (maybe Everton fans).

edit: This one

 

[JCRD]

Apparently there will be proposed changes for offsides submitted to the IFAB or whatever theyre called...

My view for offside is very simple, let the referee go to the monitor and watch it back in real time without the silly fucking lines, the referee can make the decision based on the replay. That way youll have goals like Sons last season or even the Sheff United one and the Mane one this season being goals rather than ruled out on the basis of splitting hairs.

 

[spursfan77]

Apparently there will be proposed changes for offsides submitted to the IFAB or whatever theyre called...

My view for offside is very simple, let the referee go to the monitor and watch it back in real time without the silly fucking lines, the referee can make the decision based on the replay. That way youll have goals like Sons last season or even the Sheff United one and the Mane one this season being goals rather than ruled out on the basis of splitting hairs.

They are all level for me. Remember when everyone called it that?

 

[mr ashley]

So Robertson’s handball last night against Sheffield United wasn’t given because referees have decided to apply the rules differently mid-season?
The PGMOL showing its integrity again...

 

[JCRD]

They are all level for me. Remember when everyone called it that?

They're just annoying now and making this way more difficult than it could be.

 

[Tucker]

The refs are just abysmal at the moment aren’t they. It’s not the tech that’s at fault it’s the buffoons using it.

My main issue is that the refs seem to be above reproach, week after week they get away with murder with little or no consequence, it’s a real closed shop. It’s the same old faces week after week, often making the same mistakes.

I understand that there’s not many refs coming through and there is somewhat of a shortage, so on one hand I can sympathise a little.

Maybe the prem and FA need to make the job a little more attractive, pay higher wages to the refs and try to attract more people into it, even if that means poaching good refs from abroad.

 

[Marty]

The refs are just abysmal at the moment aren’t they. It’s not the tech that’s at fault it’s the buffoons using it.

My main issue is that the refs seem to be above reproach, week after week they get away with murder with little or no consequence, it’s a real closed shop. It’s the same old faces week after week, often making the same mistakes.

I understand that there’s not many refs coming through and there is somewhat of a shortage, so on one hand I can sympathise a little.

Maybe the prem and FA need to make the job a little more attractive, pay higher wages to the refs and try to attract more people into it, even if that means poaching good refs from abroad.

Nothing will happen as long as Mike Riley is the PGMOL leader and David Ellaray makes the rules at IFAB. As long as the incompetence starts at the top the men and women doing the actual work have no chance.

 

[Tucker]

Nothing will happen as long as Mike Riley is the PGMOL leader and David Ellaray makes the rules at IFAB. As long as the incompetence starts at the top the men and women doing the actual work have no chance.

Neither of those men were what I would consider examples of being top referees. Ellary was always an arrogant traffic warden style ref, it always looked like he felt like the players and the game in general were beneath him. Riley was mostly forgettable which I guess is a good thing for a ref.

It’s that closed shop I was talking about, refs ruling over other refs, they always seem to look after their own, when what they probably need is someone from the outside pushing them to improve. Right now there seems to be an acceptance that poor decisions and refereeing mistakes are simply part of the game.

 

[mr ashley]

Neither of those men were what I would consider examples of being top referees. Ellary was always an arrogant traffic warden style ref, it always looked like he felt like the players and the game in general were beneath him. Riley was mostly forgettable which I guess is a good thing for a ref.

It’s that closed shop I was talking about, refs ruling over other refs, they always seem to look after their own, when what they probably need is someone from the outside pushing them to improve. Right now there seems to be an acceptance that poor decisions and refereeing mistakes are simply part of the game.

You can’t have poor decisions and refereeing mistakes at the same time as mm-wide offside decisions and unintentional handballs. The technology is there to preside over all of this.
Right now there’s just even more evidence to suggest the officials are picking and choosing when and who to give decisions for/against

 

[Marty]

Neither of those men were what I would consider examples of being top referees. Ellary was always an arrogant traffic warden style ref, it always looked like he felt like the players and the game in general were beneath him. Riley was mostly forgettable which I guess is a good thing for a ref.

It’s that closed shop I was talking about, refs ruling over other refs, they always seem to look after their own, when what they probably need is someone from the outside pushing them to improve. Right now there seems to be an acceptance that poor decisions and refereeing mistakes are simply part of the game.

Riley also did the famous United v Arsenal game which ended the unbeaten run and let United get away with everything up to and possibly including murder, thankfully it never went that far.

Funny as fuck at the time but then that man gets to lead the supposedly best referees and you realise something has gone terribly wrong.

 

[Partizan]

2:45...How is that a penalty? (look at the VAR replay)

 

[inclineyid]

Richard Keys is a fat hairy mug but he's bang on about VAR and how we should be able to hear the conversation between the refs on the pitch and stockley park... as he says not one ref has been sent over to the monitor and chosen to ignore stockley park and stick with their decision... ridiculous how the refs have made themselves the most important part of the game in this country, all decided in a room elsewhere not the ref on the pitch.

 

['O Zio]

I've mentioned in here before that one of my main issues with it is that they seem determined to split hairs with these mm offside calls but then seem incredibly reluctant to overturn the refs decision for virtually any other incident. Classic example again at the weekend was the Sheffield penalty. Not only would I argue that it wasn't a foul, it was also quite clearly not in the box so even if the foul part is subjective, why wasn't VAR all over it with their silly lines gadget and telling the ref to award a free kick on the edge of the box? It was far more clear than many of the microscopic offside decisions that they happily dish out so what's the deal here?

As I've said before generally speaking I'm in favour of using the technology somehow but the way they've gone about it is just sp ridiculous

 

[Trotter]

I've mentioned in here before that one of my main issues with it is that they seem determined to split hairs with these mm offside calls but then seem incredibly reluctant to overturn the refs decision for virtually any other incident. Classic example again at the weekend was the Sheffield penalty. Not only would I argue that it wasn't a foul, it was also quite clearly not in the box so even if the foul part is subjective, why wasn't VAR all over it with their silly lines gadget and telling the ref to award a free kick on the edge of the box? It was far more clear than many of the microscopic offside decisions that they happily dish out so what's the deal here?

As I've said before generally speaking I'm in favour of using the technology somehow but the way they've gone about it is just sp ridiculous

VAR was the one that was all over it and said it was in the box (it was, incident occurred on the line, which is part of the box).
Referee initially gave it as outside.
Whether it was a foul is a different argument, I would suggest not clear and obvious either way, so stick with on-field decision.

 

[Japhet]

Can't help wondering if taking the 'freeze frame' technology out of VAR might make it better. We wouldn't end up endlessly debating the minute details that have become such a blight on the whole process.

 

[JCRD]

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[Shadydan]

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