The VAR Thread

[mr ashley]

Why does VAR measure from the armpit of a player for offside when their head is beyond the last defender and they are attempting to attack the ball with their head?

It gives an unfair advantage to the attacking team, because they are facing goal (allowing their legs and head to be closer to the goal than their torso / armpit), while the defenders have their backs to goal (head cannot be closer to the goal than their torso).

My problem with the offside law/ technology is that it is searching offside (penalising the attacker), when in fact it would be better served if it searched for the player to be onside (supporting the attacker)
Take the Newcastle check. Part of the attackers body is in line with part of a defenders body. Therefore level ergo onside. But equally countless others last season would have been (rightly) allowed (think Son v Leicester).

 

[SlotBadger]

I don’t get phased about important life decisions but this is the second time a football match has riled me up to the point where I feel physically infuriated.

Last time was the infamous Pedro Mendes “goal,” when my mum came upstairs to ask why I was yelling “****!” at the top of my voice.

 

[mr ashley]

I'm not a fan of VAR in this current interpretation but always said it's as good as the people that manage it because it's still based on subjectivity. Unfortunately this has just shown referees up to be incompetent, inconsistent and lacking in common sense.

Agreed.
The secret society of stockley park need to be interviewed after every game.
Either to educate all of us ignorami or show how detached from reality they really are

 

[KingKay]

Making up stupid rules like this gives them scope to call decisions either way and lets them influence results in certain teams favour.

It’s an absolute joke.

 

[Partizan]

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

It's even worse in Italy

 

[matthew.absurdum]

Newcastle boss Steve Bruce talking to Sky Sports: "I can understand why Spurs will go beserk and Roy Hodgson reacted like he did. It is a total nonsense, we should be jumping through hoops but I would be devastated if that was us. Maybe Roy is right, maybe we all need to get together. The decisions are ruining the spectacle. We have to get together as managers and say this must stop.

 

[H-SF]

I know it’s the rules but just get VAR out. I was for it at first but it’s ruining the beautiful game. Can’t celebrate goals, pickups on ridiculous minor offences that have large implications and takes so fucking long

 

[Neon_Knight_]

My problem with the offside law/ technology is that it is searching offside (penalising the attacker), when in fact it would be better served if it searched for the player to be onside (supporting the attacker)
Take the Newcastle check. Part of the attackers body is in line with part of a defenders body. Therefore level ergo onside. But equally countless others last season would have been (rightly) allowed (think Son v Leicester).

I think the old "clear daylight" rule was good. It leads to more goals (more excitement for spectators) and is relatively easy to officiate.

Souness' comment on the current handball rule adding excitement and giving us more to talk about was ridiculous. We don't want to talk about controversy every weekend and have the game repeatedly brought into disrepute with refs receiving abuse and players / coaching staff getting cards for dissent. We want to be able to talk about the game positively afterwards.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

Really don't understand how can rules of a same sport can differ from geographical regions. PL and FA should be smarter and wake up from this idiotic law.

 

[felmani26]

I don’t get phased about important life decisions but this is the second time a football match has riled me up to the point where I feel physically infuriated.

Last time was the infamous Pedro Mendes “goal,” when my mum came upstairs to ask why I was yelling “****!” at the top of my voice.

I hate myself for getting as irritated over a football decision as I do but it just felt complete injustice which for me is far worse than incompetence, say when we lost 7-2 to Bayern.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

VAR hasn't changed anything, it's still a human decision at the end of the day, just assisted by a lot of software.

The fact that play continues while VAR look at a handball decision, which hasn't even been resolved when three other decisions are now needed - that's wrong. Equally, what ever happened to the indirect free kick? Is that now not a thing?

VAR has changed nothing to make the game "fairer", it's just taken the majority of the flack off of the referees, who were already wrapped in cotton wool by the FA anyway and rarely held accountable should they make a ricket. Now it goes to "VAR", a faceless, digital creature, to decide? No, it goes to a different referee who's even further away from the game and lets that person decide instead.

Four incidents happened leading up to the penalty that, previously, would've had a flag go up or the ref stop play but because they have to "ignore" handball until someone else tells them to look at it, they look as powerless as everyone else in the stadium. I'd be pissed if I was a ref or lino, VAR has totally compromised any real point in them being there if this is how it's going to go.

As I said before, I can totally accept that any contact with the hand or arm in the area is a handball, but it's not being applied consistently and it should be an indirect free kick.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Nice one, lads, real bang up job today. When you get to the Marriott after the match and you get out the car, is it ridiculously small, the doors fall off and confetti backfires out of the exhaust?

 

[Marty]

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

This, shockingly, has been done to bring the PL in line with how the rule is enforced in most other big leagues, including Spain and Italy.

I have no idea how La Liga and Serie A fans have put up with this.

 

[Marty]

As I said before, I can totally accept that any contact with the hand or arm in the area is a handball, but it's not being applied consistently and it should be an indirect free kick.

I find it baffling that indirect free kicks have all but disappeared from the game. I'm sure they used to be more common.

There needs to be a fundamental rethink of the rules so the punishment better fits the crime. If accidental handballs, which is basically most handballs except a Suarez punch off the line, are going to be penalised then an indirect free kick is a much more fitting punishment than a penalty.

 

[Trotter]

I don't think it is, they haven't changed the handball rules in other countries, it's just the PL being super ****s and trying to be different from anyone else.

It is the same law in all other countries.
Only difference they have been applying these laws for a few years (we have been forced to adopt them, and they made them totally black and white so we had no possible way out of implementing them), and players have adapted
Similar penalty to the one against Dier has been called against Pique previously for example.

 

[TheChosenOne]

 

[matthew.absurdum]

It is just week 3
We have 38 weeks

 

[g_harry]

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Nice one, lads, real bang up job today. When you get to the Marriott after the match and you get out the car, is it ridiculously small, the doors fall off and confetti backfires out of the exhaust?

Was mike dean involved. Says it all if he was.

 

['O Zio]

Was mike dean involved. Says it all if he was.

It doesn't matter who is involved on the field. The issue is that the law isn't what anyone wants. The refs themselves, regardless of what you might think of them otherwise, can only enforce the laws as they're written. I'd wager most of them hate this rule as much as the rest of us. If anything they probably hate it more because they're the ones having to award these decisions against their better judgement because their hands are tied

 

[g_harry]

It doesn't matter who is involved on the field. The issue is that the law isn't what anyone wants. The refs themselves, regardless of what you might think of them otherwise, can only enforce the laws as they're written. I'd wager most of them hate this rule as much as the rest of us. If anything they probably hate it more because they're the ones having to award these decisions against their better judgement because their hands are tied

True but dean has an agenda v us.