The VAR Thread

[Danners9]

Three VAR errors in one night, MOTD told

Incorrect penalty decisions were made by the video assistant referee in all three of Thursday's games, BBC's Match of the Day is told.

www.bbc.com

Bruno Fernandes won a spot-kick which he scored in Manchester United's 3-0 win over Aston Villa.

James Ward-Prowse hit the bar after a disputed penalty as Southampton drew 1-1 with Everton.

And Tottenham should have had a penalty for a Joshua King shove on Harry Kane in a 0-0 draw with Bournemouth.

The Premier League confirmed United and Southampton should not have been given penalties, but Tottenham should have been awarded one.



Sigh.

 

[Gbspurs]

Three VAR errors in one night, MOTD told

Incorrect penalty decisions were made by the video assistant referee in all three of Thursday's games, BBC's Match of the Day is told.

www.bbc.com

Bruno Fernandes won a spot-kick which he scored in Manchester United's 3-0 win over Aston Villa.

James Ward-Prowse hit the bar after a disputed penalty as Southampton drew 1-1 with Everton.

And Tottenham should have had a penalty for a Joshua King shove on Harry Kane in a 0-0 draw with Bournemouth.

The Premier League confirmed United and Southampton should not have been given penalties, but Tottenham should have been awarded one.



Sigh.

Aside from the fact that VAR failed but that also means that in the last 2 games he has referreed Man Utd, Jon Moss has give them 2 penalties that were proven incorrect (1 against us that was overturned and this one). Surely at some point it should call into question whether Moss should ref Utd games?

There is an issue with VAR and that issue is that it is ran by referees who don't want to upset their mates. Ultimately the fact that the on field ref is getting these calls wrong is still the issue but its being compounded by the fact that VAR is being used to support the ref not find the correct call.

 

[$hoguN]

Not only is it shit, disruptive, and poorly implemented it continues to make the wrong decisions!

 

[chrissivad]

Not only is it shit, disruptive, and poorly implemented it continues to make the wrong decisions!

VAR isn't making the wrong calls, it's the people using it.

The same people who were making poor calls before VAR.....

 

[mr ashley]

VAR isn't making the wrong calls, it's the people using it.

The same people who were making poor calls before VAR.....

For the integrity of the game, the conversations between referees should be broadcast, like in all other sports.
Take them out of their Stockley park bunker, and put them in the stadium.

 

[$hoguN]

VAR isn't making the wrong calls, it's the people using it.

The same people who were making poor calls before VAR.....

No the VAR system Is not autonomous and requires an operator. A third umpire does the job in cricket and it’s called DRS.

 

[Gbspurs]

VAR isn't making the wrong calls, it's the people using it.

The same people who were making poor calls before VAR.....

Spot on, all its done is highly what we already suspected which was how poor the officiating is in this country.

 

[Marantz]

The Man Utd pen imo should have been a free kick for Villa and a yellow card for Bruno.

 

[mark87]

United just have to ask for penalties now.

 

[TheChosenOne]

Three VAR errors in one night, MOTD told

Incorrect penalty decisions were made by the video assistant referee in all three of Thursday's games, BBC's Match of the Day is told.

www.bbc.com

Bruno Fernandes won a spot-kick which he scored in Manchester United's 3-0 win over Aston Villa.

James Ward-Prowse hit the bar after a disputed penalty as Southampton drew 1-1 with Everton.

And Tottenham should have had a penalty for a Joshua King shove on Harry Kane in a 0-0 draw with Bournemouth.

The Premier League confirmed United and Southampton should not have been given penalties, but Tottenham should have been awarded one.



Sigh.

Fernandes should have been booked for raking his studs and I thought the incident wasn't even in the box.

 

[UncleBuck]

Aside from the fact that VAR failed but that also means that in the last 2 games he has referreed Man Utd, Jon Moss has give them 2 penalties that were proven incorrect (1 against us that was overturned and this one). Surely at some point it should call into question whether Moss should ref Utd games?

There is an issue with VAR and that issue is that it is ran by referees who don't want to upset their mates. Ultimately the fact that the on field ref is getting these calls wrong is still the issue but its being compounded by the fact that VAR is being used to support the ref not find the correct call.

I don’t see how football can implement a review system and get it so wrong, week in, week out.
No other sport has this many incorrect decisions after a review. Look at the cricket yesterday, it’s safe to say illingworth and ketts had a bit of a ‘mare which saw five decisions overturned by the umpire watching the tv, which were all correctly overturned.
It’s actually beyond incompetent and serious questions have to be asked in relation to a tv refs bias and I think their integrity needs to be called into question.

 

[Who’s our next manager?]

For the integrity of the game, the conversations between referees should be broadcast, like in all other sports.
Take them out of their Stockley park bunker, and put them in the stadium.

VAR has taken over from the referee as the ‘judge’ of a game. It’s being used totally wrong.
VAR should only be used in 2 circumstances.
Firstly, its the referee who should always make the request to VAR if he is unsure about a decision.No way should the VAR operatives make the first contact. Refs should also make much more usage of the touch line cameras.
Secondly each team (through the Captain) should have the right ( twice per game for each team) to request that the referee consults VAR when they feel that the referee has missed something or made a wrong decision. Twice per game would be the limit and it would ensure that a player does not take a dive to get a penalty as it would use up one of their two requests. After a team has made their two requests the team then has to accept all,other referees decisions without argument.

 

[mr ashley]

VAR has taken over from the referee as the ‘judge’ of a game. It’s being used totally wrong.
VAR should only be used in 2 circumstances.
Firstly, its the referee who should always make the request to VAR if he is unsure about a decision.No way should the VAR operatives make the first contact. Refs should also make much more usage of the touch line cameras.
Secondly each team (through the Captain) should have the right ( twice per game for each team) to request that the referee consults VAR when they feel that the referee has missed something or made a wrong decision. Twice per game would be the limit and it would ensure that a player does not take a dive to get a penalty as it would use up one of their two requests. After a team has made their two requests the team then has to accept all,other referees decisions without argument.

All of our suggestions start from the same place: use existing, effective protocols that other sports have in place to ensure a transparent decision making process and eliminate errors.

 

[lincspurs]

Fernandes should have been booked for raking his studs and I thought the incident wasn't even in the box.

As he should have been against us when he dived in the final minutes, especially when the decision was overturned, correctly for once, by VAR.
I also notice that there isn’t the same rush by the media to label him “a diver” as there was Kane, Son & before them Bale.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Aside from the fact that VAR failed but that also means that in the last 2 games he has referreed Man Utd, Jon Moss has give them 2 penalties that were proven incorrect (1 against us that was overturned and this one). Surely at some point it should call into question whether Moss should ref Utd games?

There is an issue with VAR and that issue is that it is ran by referees who don't want to upset their mates. Ultimately the fact that the on field ref is getting these calls wrong is still the issue but its being compounded by the fact that VAR is being used to support the ref not find the correct call.

I would add that the Dier pen which did stand after VAR was one of the softest ive seen.

 

[Danny1]

Quite simply, there is way too much room for corruption when you allow an official to sit in a room with no one listening or seeing what he is doing. Also, to have Moss give two incorrect decisions in favour of Utd & Michael Oliver give two incorrect decisions against Tottenham then this should be looked at and questions should be raised to whether they are actually behaving without bias.

I don't think VAR should be controlled by a ref, it should be controlled by former professionals who understand the game.

 

[yankspurs]

Three VAR errors in one night, MOTD told

Incorrect penalty decisions were made by the video assistant referee in all three of Thursday's games, BBC's Match of the Day is told.

www.bbc.com

Bruno Fernandes won a spot-kick which he scored in Manchester United's 3-0 win over Aston Villa.

James Ward-Prowse hit the bar after a disputed penalty as Southampton drew 1-1 with Everton.

And Tottenham should have had a penalty for a Joshua King shove on Harry Kane in a 0-0 draw with Bournemouth.

The Premier League confirmed United and Southampton should not have been given penalties, but Tottenham should have been awarded one.



Sigh.

In a season full of abysmally low points for VAR and another season where refereeing standards sink even lower, they’d gone and outdone themselves with a hat trick. Impressive, really. Cant help but clap for them. What a feat!

 

[yankspurs]

Quite simply, there is way too much room for corruption when you allow an official to sit in a room with no one listening or seeing what he is doing. Also, to have Moss give two incorrect decisions in favour of Utd & Michael Oliver give two incorrect decisions against Tottenham then this should be looked at and questions should be raised to whether they are actually behaving without bias.

I don't think VAR should be controlled by a ref, it should be controlled by former professionals who understand the game.

Their is obviously bias in the refs. VAR should not be monitored by PL referees as there is obviously going to be a bias. Honestly, it will probably be the same with former professional athletes.

VAR should probably be done by a foreign independent 3rd party where the risk of a bias is minimalized. And the ref use of the camera in the stadium is an absolute must only so he can see himself where he was wrong that minute. Never going to happen.

And the excuse in the cups that stadiums are not set up for VAR can no longer be used. Ever. Im watching the fucking game on tv. You can have the fucking TV feed get into a VAR booth. The different sets of rules and expectations do nothing to help matters. VAR should be everywhere or nowhere.

 

[Graham Minshall]

There are some shocking refs in this country, does anyone 100% believe, that, had Tierney gone over to a pitchside monitor, he would have changed his decision?

The incident last night wasn’t any different from when Kane was pushed over in the NLD at Arsenal this season, but then all pundits/media said it was Kane going down to easily, the only one who said it was a penalty was Tony Adams.

 

[vuzp]

I would add that the Dier pen which did stand after VAR was one of the softest ive seen.

Dier's was less of a push then King on Kane that's for sure.