THE TRANSFER WINDOW POST MORTEM THREAD

[sage]

I’m clearly in the minority here, but I find it baffling that so many are desperate to bring Poch back. It’s like getting back with an ex... nostalgic, familiar but rarely the right move. Yeah there were great times, and the connection felt special, but there’s a reason things ended.

I love Poch and everything he did for us, but honestly this just reeks of desperation, like a last-minute panic signing. The cynic in me can’t help but feel that Levy would only bring him back to appease the fans and quiet the criticism, not because it’s what’s best for the club.

 

[THOWIG]

Iraola for me.

 

[rabbikeane]

So you think Moore should be on loan? I thought the academy was really poor at that time aside from a couple of good ones. Trouble was more that we didn't have a deep enough squad so we kept the better ones on.

Moore is getting good game time, especially for his age. I'd be concerned if he from next year don't get any more game time with us the coming 3 years, yet is kept around the first team in stead of going on loan. That would prevent him from reaching his potential.

I'm sure there were reasons, player's development paid the price.

 

[McFlash]

I make Poch right on all the players he didn't bring through. At the same time he played Mason, Bentaleb, kane, Rose, and Onoma amongst others.

I don't think back to any I'm gutted didn't make it.

I think he was great when he first came in and had to shake things up but when the dust settled, he was pretty poor with the youth.
It's hard to judge on what they became because too many stagnated in their careers due to lack of proper game time.
He wouldn't loan them but wouldn't play them, which isn't good when you're at that stage of your development.
Training with the first team isn't gaining you much at all.

Now that may not all be down to Poch because our academy had been neglected for years until Paratici came along, so maybe the finger of blame should be pointed elsewhere but it does remain a concern for me.

 

[McFlash]

D1:

The issue last time in the summer of 23 when Poch was desperate to come back and waited for the call was how he parted with us in 19 i cannot go into things but the board were not happy with his behavior then it was more than just results

Daniel is under huge pressure though from the fans so if bringing Poch back would silence them then maybe the board will get over the past

Doesn't that tie in with ITK that we had at the time?
That he was totally disassociated by the end and had withdrawn from pretty much everything?
Wasn't it said that he was just watching training on the CCTV at one stage?!

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

I'm not arguing for Ange one way or the other here.

But if the main motivation to sacking a manager and bringing Poch back is to appease fans then it is not the right move.

 

[mil1lion]

I don't buy this rubbish about players not going on to better things because they didn't get a shot here. Players make it if they're good enough simple as that. Look at Spence now after all the time spent out of the team or on loan with little success. If you have the talent and apply yourself you will turn your career around. You don't have to have the perfect journey through development. Solanke another who has come good after some unsuccessful years at this level, worked his way up again. Maybe Edwards will do that I guess we will see. KWP probably at an age you would expect to know now if he's good enough and he's not playing at any of the top teams. Thing with Poch was the academy was poor but the first team was very strong as well so naturally he would pick the very strong players. We don't have that anymore, the youth are who we're trying to build into. When you look at the players who improved under Poch too it's hard to argue he would be a good fit. Not that I wouldn't also want the next big thing mind. The squad is actually pretty similar to the one he took on, maybe just a bit younger and no bad characters.

 

[bceej]

I'm not arguing for Ange one way or the other here.

But if the main motivation to sacking a manager and bringing Poch back is to appease fans then it is not the right move.

But probably makes it more likely.

 

[rossdapep]

Doesn't that tie in with ITK that we had at the time?
That he was totally disassociated by the end and had withdrawn from pretty much everything?
Wasn't it said that he was just watching training on the CCTV at one stage?!

Probably a bit more as well.

Meeting with Fergie and not distancing himself from the United job.
Reckon some of the board weren't happy with his comments about 'furniture'

Also, I think some of the players didn't like the way he supposedly became quite insistent on them needing to smile and being happy at the training centre/lemons/good vibes etc.

But yeah probably a culmination of all that.

But then again, if Poch had been backed properly earlier, he wouldn't have sulked.

 

[pablo73]

I loved Poch but he's not exactly pulled up trees since he left us has he?

 

[Dunc2610]

I loved Poch but he's not exactly pulled up trees since he left us has he?

He did well at Chelsea for the limited time he was there with a totally dysfunctional squad/owner!

 

[pablo73]

He did well at Chelsea for the limited time he was there with a totally dysfunctional squad/owner!

He did ok but 6th place with the talent in that squad is probably around par wouldn't you say?

 

[Dunc2610]

He did ok but 6th place with the talent in that squad is probably around par wouldn't you say?

He did better than Lampard and Potter? But to say he didn't do well is disingenuous and he had a 65% win percentage at PSG too, so not like he went elsewhere and dropped a stinker! I'm not saying we should definitely sign him up, there may well be better options, and I do think if we return to Poch its Daniel in an effort to get fans on side.

 

[TheHodFather]

He did ok but 6th place with the talent in that squad is probably around par wouldn't you say?

The squad had a lot of talent but was also a complete mess due to them signing a ridiculous number of players over the summer with no obvious strategy. If memory serves they started the season poorly but then finished strongly after he'd worked out who to play and how to structure them into an actual team. So once he'd figured that out their form in the second half of the season was better than 6th.

 

[pablo73]

He did better than Lampard and Potter? But to say he didn't do well is disingenuous and he had a 65% win percentage at PSG too, so not like he went elsewhere and dropped a stinker! I'm not saying we should definitely sign him up, there may well be better options, and I do think if we return to Poch its Daniel in an effort to get fans on side.

I don't think I'm being disingenuous by saying he hasn't pulled up any trees, I think we must have a different interpretation of that phrase.

I think he's done ok since leaving Spurs, solid 7/10 but has not been exceptional. I think we could certainly do a lot worse and the romance of it definitely makes it more attractive.

 

[Dunc2610]

I think he's done ok since leaving Spurs, solid 7/10 but has not been exceptional. I think we could certainly do a lot worse and the romance of it definitely makes it more attractive.

Of course it does, in terms of competition progression and 'positive vibes' around supporting Spurs he's given us the most. Did he win anything, no, but then the last person to was Ramos, and I don't think any of us want him back?

ANY manager than comes in post Ange will be unknown as to what they may deliver, Conte and Mourinho didn't give us anything (apart from a semi ) so who's to say anyone else established and successful will? Its all pick and style of manager and hope!

 

[For the love of Spurs]

D1:

The issue last time in the summer of 23 when Poch was desperate to come back and waited for the call was how he parted with us in 19 i cannot go into things but the board were not happy with his behavior then it was more than just results

Daniel is under huge pressure though from the fans so if bringing Poch back would silence them then maybe the board will get over the past

I don’t know if bringing Poch back is the right call but seriously the board and Levy owe Poch a massive debt of gratitude for the job he did. They need to get over themselves the useless numpties.

 

[BD3]

He did well at Chelsea for the limited time he was there with a totally dysfunctional squad/owner!

Yeah, it took a bit but he really figured things out toward the end and things seemed to be clicking for them. Actually thought they could compete for the league this season if things didn't fall apart between him and management.

 

[mil1lion]

I loved Poch but he's not exactly pulled up trees since he left us has he?

In 2 seasons with PSG he won 1 league and 2 cups, got to the semi final of the CL which I believe was as far as they had ever got in that competition. At Chelsea he only had 1 season which started horribly but turned it around and they were heading in the right direction. He got to the league cup final but lost to Liverpool which is hardly a surprise. He's not exactly done bad.

 

[Jaddas]

With Poch, I think a lot forget how much he was really hamstrung in the transfer market whilst waiting for the "game changer" stadium.

A net spend of approx £20m per year over 5 years and around a third of that was in the summer before he was sacked (yes, we know those choices were bad).

I don't know if him coming back will work out, but I do know that that it was the only time over the past 30 plus years when we were constantly challenging for things.