The Spurs Transfer Wishlist & Scouting Thread

[danielneeds]

He will likely need to spend sure but I think the only time hes really been angry aboit signings was at United. At Chelsea he fell out with Abramovich cause he signed Shevchenko - who he didn't want - and then players and other colleagues second time around.

At Inter he didn't spend too heavily and didn't request world beaters. At Chelsea second time round he spent 110m and recouped 85m in his second season to win the title.

At Madrid, he blew away the points and goals scored record and when you consider he was up against Guardiola and the greatest team ever, that's a huge achievement.

I get the concerns with him, I really do. I've aired them before. But two successful seasons could really put us in the elite bracket. So much so that other great coaches will want to come after him - Chelsea have had no issues since he left and won trophies too.

Yes, he's pragmatic and can be negative but I think that's when he really has to get a result. Plenty of times in his reign at Chelsea they hammered teams. They were efficient and ruthless.

I'd love to go into the big games knowing he's going to make it hard for the opposition.

I’m sorry, I cannot abide a manager who did the sort of the things like humiliating Luke Shaw at United. This is a kid who was coming back from a career-threatening broken leg and he absolutely crucified him. The fact is that players disliked him at United, Chelsea, and Real. He dislikes this generation of players, who he considers soft or spoilt and in turn they turn on him pretty quickly.

 

[Japhet]

I’m sorry, I cannot abide a manager who did the sort of the things like humiliating Luke Shaw at United. This is a kid who was coming back from a career-threatening broken leg and he absolutely crucified him. The fact is that players disliked him at United, Chelsea, and Real. He dislikes this generation of players, who he considers soft or spoilt and in turn they turn on him pretty quickly.

Chelsea also had to cough up a 7 figure settlement for Eva Carniera because of the way Mourinho treated her.

 

[fecka]

I’m sorry, I cannot abide a manager who did the sort of the things like humiliating Luke Shaw at United. This is a kid who was coming back from a career-threatening broken leg and he absolutely crucified him. The fact is that players disliked him at United, Chelsea, and Real. He dislikes this generation of players, who he considers soft or spoilt and in turn they turn on him pretty quickly.

While you're stating that players disliked him at those club, at least as many or more loved him. He's hit scoring and point records at several clubs and won more things during his 15 year career than our club has during it's more than 100 years old history.
He obviously misses football and will come back energized with a point to prove.
I've been a vocal sceptic against Mourinho as I've thought he is poison but I've come around as I realize he's the only available option I trust to take this group of players in this rut and turn them into a well-coached and motivated side.

 

[Archibald-CPH]

Would like Diawara as CDM if Zakaria isn't possible. Wanyama mach 2

 

[danielneeds]

While you're stating that players disliked him at those club, at least as many or more loved him. He's hit scoring and point records at several clubs and won more things during his 15 year career than our club has during it's more than 100 years old history.
He obviously misses football and will come back energized with a point to prove.
I've been a vocal sceptic against Mourinho as I've thought he is poison but I've come around as I realize he's the only available option I trust to take this group of players in this rut and turn them into a well-coached and motivated side.

He came back energised at Chelsea and United (remember the “I’m not the special one now, I’m the happy one?”). And then pretty soon slipped back into his narcissistic, bitter self. Yes, he still won things, but he had the budget where he had to.

 

[LeParisien]

He will likely need to spend sure but I think the only time hes really been angry aboit signings was at United. At Chelsea he fell out with Abramovich cause he signed Shevchenko - who he didn't want - and then players and other colleagues second time around.

At Inter he didn't spend too heavily and didn't request world beaters. At Chelsea second time round he spent 110m and recouped 85m in his second season to win the title.

At Madrid, he blew away the points and goals scored record and when you consider he was up against Guardiola and the greatest team ever, that's a huge achievement.

I get the concerns with him, I really do. I've aired them before. But two successful seasons could really put us in the elite bracket. So much so that other great coaches will want to come after him - Chelsea have had no issues since he left and won trophies too.

Yes, he's pragmatic and can be negative but I think that's when he really has to get a result. Plenty of times in his reign at Chelsea they hammered teams. They were efficient and ruthless.

I'd love to go into the big games knowing he's going to make it hard for the opposition.

You’re right about a lot of what you say.

Realistically we’re going for players who are 3 to 5 years off being worldclass. Mourinho has a shocking record in dealing with these players.

At Inter he was so bad in the first season (most expensive signing, perennial flop Quaresma) that the transfer market was taken out of his hands. The key signings that powered his amazing achievements in his second season were made by management. His one success was Davide Santon.

At Real Madrid he fell out with and lost respect from his players. The team would go on to win the CL 3 years in a row.

At Chelsea he sold players who would go on to become world class or very good (de Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku). He fell out with people and behaved terribly toward Eva Carneiro.Great achievement winning the EPL.

Save an FA cup there’s nothing to write home about at Man Utd. He spent hundreds of millions to get those results. He struggled to get the best out of players and played bad football.

I don’t know if Poch is je answer, but on balance I don’t think Mourinho is FOR A CLUB IN OUR CONTEXT

 

[danielneeds]

You’re right about a lot of what you say.

Realistically we’re going for players who are 3 to 5 years off being worldclass. Mourinho has a shocking record in dealing with these players.

At Inter he was so bad in the first season (most expensive signing, perennial flop Quaresma) that the transfer market was taken out of his hands. The key signings that powered his amazing achievements in his second season were made by management. His one success was Davide Santon.

At Real Madrid he fell out with and lost respect from his players. The team would go on to win the CL 3 years in a row.

At Chelsea he sold players who would go on to become world class or very good (de Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku). He fell out with people and behaved terribly toward Eva Carneiro.Great achievement winning the EPL.

Save an FA cup there’s nothing to write home about at Man Utd. He spent hundreds of millions to get those results. He struggled to get the best out of players and played bad football.

I don’t know if Poch is je answer, but on balance I don’t think Mourinho is FOR A CLUB IN OUR CONTEXT

Also, his football is just mind-numbingly boring to watch these days. Like driving with the handbrake on.

 

[Windwarden]

I got slated for my opinion of mourinho as a manager in the other thread but do people not think we need to get ahead of the curve. Mourinho is the polar opposite of that to me. I’d rather sign potential world class players than aging stars who thrived in a different game.

 

[stevenurse]

People arguing the possibility of signing potential etc. What has Poch done with potential?

It's becoming a myth that he's this genius with young players. If anything id argue the exact opposite.

We should be targeting the jewels of teams that have nothing to play for come January.

 

[Shadydan]

People arguing the possibility of signing potential etc. What has Poch done with potential?

It's becoming a myth that he's this genius with young players. If anything id argue the exact opposite.

We should be targeting the jewels of teams that have nothing to play for come January.

His record with young players is excellant what are you on about?

Just because we're going through the shit now doesn't mean we need to re-write history of his management credentials.

 

[double0]

I think the problem is Poch has sat on his hands for too long. And now it's all culminated.

Mistake #1

When Wanyama did his ACL he didn't sign anybody. Should have been looking for the very best replacementthe next day

Mistake #2

Sold Dembele and didn't replace him. Players must have been a bit bewildered that our best player ( although injury prone) was let go in that manner.

Mistake #3

Selling Trippier. Most of us agreed with this at the time but has been proven now to be disastrous. Again no replacement, we needed Foyth and one other, preferably a top class one with a bit of experience.


What I loved about 'Arry was that he was constantly looking to upgrade every position. I just don't see that from Poch, there's no urgency to be the best. If he does stay longer he needs to start getting a bit more ruthless otherwise I doubt he'll ever win much.

When it comes to transfers money being spent and at what time that’s down to Mr Levy.

 

[Yiddo100]

Have the telegraph linked us to anyone yet, they were spot on in the summer

 

[stevenurse]

His record with young players is excellant what are you on about?

Just because we're going through the shit now doesn't mean we need to re-write history of his management credentials.

What youth have we got coming through? Who has developed recently?

He did well when we were in disarray but
you could arguably say he wasted KWP and Edwards (although I'm sure there's more to it). If the rumours are to be believed that our youth are now turning down contracts what does that say?

We have we now got an aging squad creaking and lost its legs.

He did well with Dier, Dele, Mason, Bentaleb, Winks at the time.

Dier, Dele and Winks wouldn't arguably get in our first 11 now. Dele looks a shell of the player he was & Dier can't get a game in the position he made his own. Sanchez has regressed since his first season

Dont get me wrong he's done well in the past but to make him out to be fergie circa 92 isnt correct.

 

[pelayo59]

What youth have we got coming through? Who has developed recently?

He did well when we were in disarray but
you could arguably say he wasted KWP and Edwards (although I'm sure there's more to it). If the rumours are to be believed that our youth are now turning down contracts what does that say?

We have we now got an aging squad creaking and lost its legs.

He did well with Dier, Dele, Mason, Bentaleb, Winks at the time.

Dier, Dele and Winks wouldn't arguably get in our first 11 now. Dele looks a shell of the player he was & Dier can't get a game in the position he made his own. Sanchez has regressed since his first season

Dont get me wrong he's done well in the past but to make him out to be fergie circa 92 isnt correct.

It's not possible to every 2-3 year have another Dele, Winks, Kane or someone else. Just like mentioned 92 Ferguson or La Masia producing 5 world class players in one team...

 

[carpediem991]

What youth have we got coming through? Who has developed recently?

He did well when we were in disarray but
you could arguably say he wasted KWP and Edwards (although I'm sure there's more to it). If the rumours are to be believed that our youth are now turning down contracts what does that say?

We have we now got an aging squad creaking and lost its legs.

He did well with Dier, Dele, Mason, Bentaleb, Winks at the time.

Dier, Dele and Winks wouldn't arguably get in our first 11 now. Dele looks a shell of the player he was & Dier can't get a game in the position he made his own. Sanchez has regressed since his first season

Dont get me wrong he's done well in the past but to make him out to be fergie circa 92 isnt correct.

What you can say all these players had the belief and Pochs back at the beginning. Now not a single one of these players, whether at our place nor somewhere else, has really made an established player out of himself.
Maybe if you take Kane. But he was already starting to banging them in under Timmy.

 

[Shadydan]

What youth have we got coming through? Who has developed recently?

He did well when we were in disarray but
you could arguably say he wasted KWP and Edwards (although I'm sure there's more to it). If the rumours are to be believed that our youth are now turning down contracts what does that say?

We have we now got an aging squad creaking and lost its legs.

He did well with Dier, Dele, Mason, Bentaleb, Winks at the time.

Dier, Dele and Winks wouldn't arguably get in our first 11 now. Dele looks a shell of the player he was & Dier can't get a game in the position he made his own. Sanchez has regressed since his first season

Dont get me wrong he's done well in the past but to make him out to be fergie circa 92 isnt correct.

Way to move the goalposts of the argument, you said what has Poch done with potential and now you're saying what youth have we got coming through the academy and who has he developed recently. And you actually admit he did well with those players which contradicts your initial point about him being a myth, and now you're putting up a straw man saying that people are making him out to be a Fergie circa 92, your argument is all over the place.

KWP and Edwards were never good enough, let's just get that out the way and the current predicament of our academy where we don't have many players coming though isn't on Poch, it's to do with scouting. Tell me what players in the academy can you see going onto make it at the top level, because I'm struggling to pick out any...

Dier, Dele and Winks not getting into our first 11 now is nothing to do with his nurturing with young players, it's to do with managing the whole squad, morale is low for 80% of our team and the majority of players are stagnating or going backwards

If you want to look at the overall picture look at his record at Spurs and Southampton, he's been an undoubted success with young players and his record speaks for itself, if you don't think that this current version of Poch can get the best out of any potential players young or old coming into the club then you're 100% right to have concerns but leave it out with the revisionism yeah, we don't need to try and degrade his past achievements.

 

[danielneeds]

Have the telegraph linked us to anyone yet, they were spot on in the summer

Not as excellent as Dan Kilpatrick.

Tottenham transfer targets: Giovani Lo Celso, Tanguy Ndombele, Ryan Sessegnon and more

 

[Yiddo100]

Not as excellent as Dan Kilpatrick.

Tottenham transfer targets: Giovani Lo Celso, Tanguy Ndombele, Ryan Sessegnon and more

I got that wrong l, thought it was telegraph but it was evening standard, remember now,have they said anything on our targets

 

[pelayo59]

I got that wrong l, thought it was telegraph but it was evening standard, remember now,have they said anything on our targets

didnt say anything about winter transfer window

 

[Japhet]

You’re right about a lot of what you say.

Realistically we’re going for players who are 3 to 5 years off being worldclass. Mourinho has a shocking record in dealing with these players.

At Inter he was so bad in the first season (most expensive signing, perennial flop Quaresma) that the transfer market was taken out of his hands. The key signings that powered his amazing achievements in his second season were made by management. His one success was Davide Santon.

At Real Madrid he fell out with and lost respect from his players. The team would go on to win the CL 3 years in a row.

At Chelsea he sold players who would go on to become world class or very good (de Bruyne, Salah, Lukaku). He fell out with people and behaved terribly toward Eva Carneiro.Great achievement winning the EPL.

Save an FA cup there’s nothing to write home about at Man Utd. He spent hundreds of millions to get those results. He struggled to get the best out of players and played bad football.

I don’t know if Poch is je answer, but on balance I don’t think Mourinho is FOR A CLUB IN OUR CONTEXT

He also managed to get precisely fuck all out of Pogba, Sanchez and Martial which is quite an achievement whilst hailing Marouanne Fellaini as the answer to his prayers. Wierd bloke.