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yankspurs

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Threads like this make me laugh. No way we're gonna ship our 6/7 players and sign 6/7 players in one window. It's just not how we operate. Nor should we - turning around that many players in such a short amount of time will only bring more disharmony as they will all need to time to settle and intergrate.
There’s not much we can do though. Half these players are done and we havent replaced Trippier, Eriksen or Rose. It’s going to take 2 windows of alot of activity to fix this squad which is not going to happen with Levy who is the reason we are in this situation to begin with.
 
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I wouldn't shift the likes of Dier or Winks - They're good enough to be part of this squad but not always be part of the starting 11 (in some folks opinions that is - not mine)

You don't create more problems for yourself. Selling to buy - think that starts higher up.
 

the yid

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We haven't got to sign every player for £50m give Norwich £80m for Godrey Aarons and Lewis and that's the defence sorted for the foreseeable future. Then pick up a DM and a ST and we're good to go. About £150m outlay.
 

talkshowhost86

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What is needed and what we are likely to do are very different things but if money wasn't an issue (and it obviously is) I'd say we need:

1. A keeper - Lloris really is making too many mistakes now and we need someone more commanding.
2. At least one right back - Aurier isn't up to it defensively. Looks like KWP isn't rated that highly. Probably means we need two players to come in here.
3. A left back - Rose is obviously on the way out. Sessegnon isn't a left back, and Davies is decent but could be improved on.
4. A centre back - I'd hope that in Tanganga, Foyth and Sanchez we've got some decent prospects, but with Jan and Toby both seemingly on the wane, we need an experienced head in there as well.
5. A defensive midfielder - We currently don't have one. Dier hasn't been that for a while now and nobody else fits the bill.
6. A midfielder who can pass the ball - Arguably only Lo Celso can do this at the moment. I really want Winks to succeed, and don't think we should give up just yet, but at the moment he's looking more Cleverley than Carrick.
7. A box to box midfielder - If Jose has already decided N'Dombele is a busted flush (not my view incidentally) then we need someone else in this role.
8. A forward with pace - Moura isn't progressing. Lamela has never pushed on and isn't quick anyway. Son can't do it all on his own.
9. Another striker - Obviously.

Again, this will never happen.

And yes even if we did have that many changes it would cause cohesion issues. But let's face it we're hardly cohesive now are we?
 

vuzp

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Threads like this make me laugh. No way we're gonna ship our 6/7 players and sign 6/7 players in one window. It's just not how we operate. Nor should we - turning around that many players in such a short amount of time will only bring more disharmony as they will all need to time to settle and intergrate.
the TW's we didn't buy any players really has put us in a bad way we are now,from Levy, Poch or whatever reasons we are seeing the results from that in the squad now, yes we need 6/7 new players ok we will not get them all in one window and if we did it would take sometime to gel together, but supporting Spurs for over 40 years even in the 90's (at least we knew we were crap) this is a very sad situation we are in now.
 

ackie

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I doubt we will sell winks and Dier.
Indeed we need to bring in young players Eze and Aaron.
A defensive or ball winning midfielder is a must.
A top class defender.
Full backs unless JM feels that can wait with the young players being trained to fill in the gaps.
A forward/striker back up is needed.

Dier, Davies, Sanchez, tanGanga, Sess, Lo Celso, Ndombele, Gedson, Bergwijn, Alli, Lucas, Son & Kane will all probably stay.
 

theShiznit

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Would be fine if i never saw Alli, Moura, Lloris, Toby, or Aurier play for us again.

You could probably chuck Lamela into that mix too as you think he is starting to play well then he breaks.
Dier is getting there, slowly (like everything he does ;) ) So i'm happy to give him a bit more time due to versatility.

Surprised everyone is writing off Jan but not Toby, Toby looks as slow but also scared to defend with backing off being his only option. imagine if Toby played right back against a left footed equivalent to Traore :nailbiting: Jan is still the best LCB option we have. and has looked better in the last couple of games. playing any one of our right footed CB's at LCB hampers us defending and attacking.
 

spurs-r-us

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Seems unlikely we will replace the keeper this summer. And with reason. We're a much better side with him in it as a rule. Would be good to give him a stable back four and to get him properly fit again. If he was our only issue then I'd be all for it, but we have far more pressing concerns. Captaincy should go to Kane though. Don't think Hugo is a leader of men when they're not a great side.
 

joelstinton14

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If there is good news at the moment the rebuild I think has already started. Lo celso, Bergwijjn and gedson are all signings that fit that criteria for me. Ndombele and Sess are talented players that could go either way, the former though is a genuine worldie if he knuckles down. So I think that rebuild as restarted already.

The positions we need to address are self evident, striker, full backs and CB/CDM. It’s whether we get in young players like Aaron’s or more experienced players or a mixture of both.

I think that the players we’ve been linked with (Omishen) and the players we have signed do actually point towards moving back to re-investing in youth and players aged 22/23. I think that when Levy speaks about spending and success I think he means it be rare if we go all out on a player like Dybala but I do expect us to sign a few 30 million buys with great potential. This may irk some but it seems a lot of the top sides are investing more in the moneyball approach (UTD especially have done a lot of work according to the Atheltic). A lot of mediocre players are going for 40-60 mil and I think clubs would rather try and bring players up that fit the club and its systems and philosophy

Then we have Tangana and Skipp coming through and the signings of Clarke and Etete are ones that are likely to come through the system as well amongst others.

I think we will see a couple to young players coming in the summer with a couple to experienced ones alongside
 

olliec

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GK, LB, RB, DM/CM and back up striker.

Players who aren’t good enough. Winks (very limited) Aurier, ndombele (will see if mourinho can bring him to life), Toby, Jan (age is against them), lamela (injury prone), lloris (not a leader anymore. Would rather an outfield player with balls)

players who can stay
Dier (future captain) Jose is already working on getting Dier back to his best.
Dele
Son
Kane
Lo celso
Moura
Bergwijn
Tanganga
Sanchez
Sessegnon
Parrott
Davies (backup)
Sissoko (squad player)

rest can go.
 
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Dannyspur

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The problem with changing half the team (although we need it) is that it'll be all "need time to bed in, won't get playing together until we have a full preseason etc" and before you know it the half a team we didn't change will need changing.
 

OPModric

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  • We need at least two new central midfielders, probably three.
  • Fullbacks on either side.
  • A backup target forward and one more pacy tricky wide player that is a goal threat.
  • Build around Son, Kane and Lo Celso in the #10 position.
 

KikoSpurs

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Most people only focus on the players perspective when it comes to rebuild but in my opinion the rebuild starts somewhere else.

There's something very weird about our recruitment, scouting, sports science and medical department. Poor recruitment and scouting, players being injured all the time, recovery time way longer than it should be.

I'd start the rebuild by taking from Levy's hand the responsibility to scout and recruit. Hence, a Director of Football is very much needed.

Luis Campos is the name everybody knows but there are other around that certainly can do the job.

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misspelling and grammar
 
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wrd

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I'd focus on 5 players in the summer

RB, LB, CB, DM, back up striker.

I'd acknowledge that we aren't going to be able to get 5 premium players, the money would be ridiculous. I'd be eyeing up Norwich being relegated and looking into all 3 of Lewis, Aarons and Godfrey especially Lewis. If we can save some money there then it would be a good call. I'd also be looking at Ben White on loan from Leeds from Brighton as another option of trying to save money.

If we were to go premium in any of the defensive positions then for me it'd have to be CB and I'd go for Ruben Dias. The other position i'd be looking at a premium option would be DM. Soumare and Zakaria has been touted and it depends on whether we can afford but also DM is a position which has a proven track record of people finding incredible options with smart scouting. Ndidi, Kante, Gueye all come to mind. However Soumare having problems at Lille could be to our advantage. Lille also have a great RB. Back up striker, we've heard a few murmours about Osimhen and depending on cost that would be a great shout.

I'd love the Lille Keeper Maignan an also Grealish but I'm going to try and be semi realistic and say we don't really have the luxury of replacing players in positions we are relatively strong. We have glaring problems in the 5 positions I mentioned and I'd be focusing all my efforts on those first before going elsewhere. ENIC will already have to be going above and beyond to make 5 key signings like that so going beyond that would be out of this world and I wouldn't expect that of any board in the entire world.

So in conclusion

RB
LB
CB (Premium player)
DM (Premium player)
Striker

my preferences would be:

Aarons or Atal
Lewis
Ruben Dias but open to saving by going for Godfrey/White if we can't get Dias
Soumare/Zakaria or trying to find a Ndidi/Kante esque signing via fantastic scouting
Osimhen
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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There’s not much we can do though. Half these players are done and we havent replaced Trippier, Eriksen or Rose. It’s going to take 2 windows of alot of activity to fix this squad which is not going to happen with Levy who is the reason we are in this situation to begin with.

Lo Celso is the Eriksen replacement. Forced to play deeper as NDombele(Dembélé replacement) is too lazy.
 

wrd

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Lo Celso is the Eriksen replacement. Forced to play deeper as NDombele(Dembélé replacement) is too lazy.

Unfortunately agree that this is how it's shaken out though Lo Celso should absolutely have not been considered the Eriksen replacement.

I think where we are is:

Need to replace Trippier
Need to replace Rose
Need to replace Wanyama
Need to replace Llorente

Then I'd argue that we will likely need to replace Vertonghen because the other options Alderweireld, Sanchez, Dier, Tanganga have shown they can't be trusted to form a first team pairing but should be able to fill one slot of the pair.

I can't fathom anymore business than that and the idea of trying to move people in a like-for-like scenario.
 

Fittster

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The worry is he will be so hamstrung by Levy that he will not be able to do his job properly

There's not really a downside to a limited director of football, it might make things better and it can't really make things worse.

Jose falls out with the DoF = Would anyone really be upset?
Levy falls out with the DoF = DoF leaves, no real harm done.

The only downside of a DoF is we have another body on the payroll which doesn't achieve anything. In the grand scheme of things that's not too big of an issue.
 

adamsky

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Everyone is saying the transfer windows where didn’t buy players is the reason for our current state. I think the problem has been our recruitment. Who have we brought since Son that has been an unqualified success? Apart from Lo Celso it seems we haven’t brought anyone who the fans want in the first team. The jury is definitely still out on Ndombele and Sess and the chances are the players we do sign this summer won’t all be great buys. This summer is absolutely huge and Mourinho, whose United purchases were suspect, needs to have an almost 100% success rate for us to compete again next year.
 
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