The ousting of Daniel (COYS)

[funkycoldmedina]

Harry Kane's job is to score goals, not have a say in the decision of who gets appointed as manager. The fact that he did, just underpins what a moron Levy is.

This I can agree with on Levy. Kane should have been nowhere near those decisions, I couldn't give a fuck who thought were the best managers. Levy's other big failure, IMO, was not imposing a DOF on Poch. He needed a DOF who understood the type of players he worked well with because Poch did not choose well.

Those decisions have set us back badly in my eyes, but with Paratici and now Ange I think we see the shoots of recovery.

 

[Wick3d]

This I can agree with on Levy. Kane should have been nowhere near those decisions, I couldn't give a fuck who thought were the best managers. Levy's other big failure, IMO, was not imposing a DOF on Poch. He needed a DOF who understood the type of players he worked well with because Poch did not choose well.

Those decisions have set us back badly in my eyes, but with Paratici and now Ange I think we see the shoots of recovery.

I like the idea of having a DOF with Poch; he clearly can work under one, what with his experience at PSG and now Chelsea, so I never understood the issue there.

The more Levy can step away from the pitch the better.

 

[funkycoldmedina]

I like the idea of having a DOF with Poch; he clearly can work under one, what with his experience at PSG and now Chelsea, so I never understood the issue there.

The more Levy can step away from the pitch the better.

He had power at us because of what he'd achieved and flexed that to not have one. At PSG and Chelsea he's been given what he's told.

 

[sundanceyid10]

For an intelligent man it blows my mind how short sighted Levy is when it comes to investment in the team with real quality!

Under Ange this could genuinely be a sliding door moment for us, with some reasonable investment in the team who knows where he could get us.

“Stick or twist Daniel, stick or twist”?

Because his intelligence is not in the field of football in my opinion, hence why we have lots of problems continually.

 

[dontcallme]

I don't often pop in here being somewhat of a Levy apologist (although more so in relation to anti arguments that I disagree with) and getting enough anti Levy content in every other thread - but I was curious if those critical of Levy are willing to give him any credit for hiring Ange?

Go back a couple months with big managers like Nagelsman and Poch available and if we'd gotten a message from the future that we'd get the aussie bloke from Celtic over them - there would have been pandemonium. Saying we were cheap, lacked ambition, etc etc.

Early days of course but looking like a ballsy and fantastic call, no?

Of course this follows some awful post Poch managerial choices and he deserves criticism for those.

I like to think my criticism of Levy is pretty balanced and I defend him against nonsensical criticism and don't think he's been all bad.

I find it hard to credit him, simply because I don't believe the right thought process has gone into any of his hirings.

He hired Santini as he was a big name manager, French international manager, at the time. He was the wrong fit then Jol was hired from within.

Once that went sour Ramos was hired, again believing in a "next level manager" who'd won 2 staight UEFA cups. Again a disaster who once we were in a potential relegation battle, an experienced safe pair of hands in Redknapp.

Then AVB was hired who'd had one great season at Porto. Again a forward thinking manager without a thought process. Sherwood was another disaster. Then Poch was a good choice.

Then 2 of the biggest names in football and Nuno, all disasters.

Ange looks like he could be a very good choice. But do I think this is Levy having a well thought out plan that he is willing to execute in the long term? Nope.

 

[sundanceyid10]

I don't often pop in here being somewhat of a Levy apologist (although more so in relation to anti arguments that I disagree with) and getting enough anti Levy content in every other thread - but I was curious if those critical of Levy are willing to give him any credit for hiring Ange?

Go back a couple months with big managers like Nagelsman and Poch available and if we'd gotten a message from the future that we'd get the aussie bloke from Celtic over them - there would have been pandemonium. Saying we were cheap, lacked ambition, etc etc.

Early days of course but looking like a ballsy and fantastic call, no?

Of course this follows some awful post Poch managerial choices and he deserves criticism for those.

You said it yourself it’s early days and as you said the previous managers were awful.

So no I don’t credit Levy and hope others don’t fall for any Levy smoke and mirrors, i wish the new manager well but it’s only been a couple games, he seems like a good guy and a good manager, Levy giving him ALL the tools required i’m highly sceptical about that and history shows it would be wise to be.

 

[AngryBob]

As always I'm worried that this burst of positivity will be used as a smokescreen to hide behind rather than a catalyst to build on. Danny Boy COYS will try to extract as much out of this as possible, and once again we will be running on fumes in a few months.

The fact that we have a fat wedge in our pockets and zero movement on squad building is disgraceful. We have to strengthen now or the wheels will fall off, and for once we're enjoying the ride, I just don't want it to stop prematurely.

 

[HodisGawd]

As always I'm worried that this burst of positivity will be used as a smokescreen to hide behind rather than a catalyst to build on. Danny Boy COYS will try to extract as much out of this as possible, and once again we will be running on fumes in a few months.

The fact that we have a fat wedge in our pockets and zero movement on squad building is disgraceful. We have to strengthen now or the wheels will fall off, and for once we're enjoying the ride, I just don't want it to stop prematurely.

"Zero movement on squad building" - really? It seems like there's a lot going on to me, but we need to trim down the squad. You heard that straight from Ange.

 

[mackelman]

"Zero movement on squad building" - really? It seems like there's a lot going on to me, but we need to trim down the squad. You heard that straight from Ange.

,?? You know something we don't?? Trimming the fat/shite been an issue for at least 2/3 years. Ange just repeating what we've heard every 6 months. We are still there.

 

[AngryBob]

Oh come on, thats the party line, and a totally inexcusable excuse to not be investing - its typical Levy and makes no logical sense - all it does is damage our ability to be the best we can be in the opening games, and gives hope to those that have no future here. Replace them and they will be forced out, its a clear message. But here we are with Levy playing around massaging his ego playing chicken with agents and clubs, when all we need to do is bite the bullet and let some of the turds flush for a lot less than he wants. They are either staying or going, and if they are going then it doesn't make any sense not to get the new guys in. This nonsense of trimming the squad is all down to Levy's ego anyway. And the first team suffer, as usual.

 

[JacoZA]

I thought it was quite ironic that during this weekend’s match the commentators were talking about the difficulties in bringing in new players due to the bloated squad and the struggle to shift them - and they were talking about Man Utd, mentioning afterwards that we are also dealing with similar problems.

 

[UbeAstard]

,?? You know something we don't?? Trimming the fat/shite been an issue for at least 2/3 years. Ange just repeating what we've heard every 6 months. We are still there.

So you cant see that getting rid of the players on good money who don't fit gives us room for improvements? You can't just hire new people for your jobs when you still have the old people you don't want.

 

[UbeAstard]

Oh come on, thats the party line, and a totally inexcusable excuse to not be investing - its typical Levy and makes no logical sense - all it does is damage our ability to be the best we can be in the opening games, and gives hope to those that have no future here. Replace them and they will be forced out, its a clear message. But here we are with Levy playing around massaging his ego playing chicken with agents and clubs, when all we need to do is bite the bullet and let some of the turds flush for a lot less than he wants. They are either staying or going, and if they are going then it doesn't make any sense not to get the new guys in. This nonsense of trimming the squad is all down to Levy's ego anyway. And the first team suffer, as usual.

ManU are in a similar position, its not just us and Levy.

 

[jolsnogross]

I think Postecoglu is pragmatic with the chairman and the state of the club as he's arrived. Losing Kane is disgraceful but another major item he's shrugged off reasonably well so far. In terms of squad building, I'd much prefer we address our need for additional options in attack, especially centre forward, than not. But the highest priority is to shift out players we no longer want.

There can be no excuses by Sept 1st for not finding a way out for several players that are not in our plans. Tanganga has options, we need to facilitate his outward move for the sake of his career. Ndombele is tricky, but any sort of loan would be be helpful, ideally until his contract is up (summer 2025). He's turned out to be a terrible buy and it is what it is. Likewise Reguilon, Spence, Sanchez, Dier, Hojbjerg. Even Lo Celso...do we want him to play for Spurs, even if it's minutes off the bench, or not?

There's a list of eight players there and at least six should not be here on Sept 1st. If we do nothing else, do that. Those players need to play and Ange should be supported to get the squad down to the size he wants.

 

[hero]

We need to wait for the final day of the TW. We may sign nobody. It is Levy, he can't stand if he doesn't leave some glaring holes in the squad. The same old shit, the same bald CEO.

 

[Trix]

ManU are in a similar position, its not just us and Levy.

You are right and they are in the same position because they've been run poorly over the last few years. Buying players that don't fit the vision of the club and employing a mish mash of managers that don't have similar philosophies. It's only a matter of time before Chelsea will come to this point also I'm sure of that. So whilst you point to the fact we aren't the only ones, it is a case that those other clubs that are in a similar mess also have similarities with how they've done business over the last 4-5 seasons.

 

[easley91]

Can't post in the ITK thread, so doing it here with regards to that latest D1 tidbit re outgoings.

Didn't we accept lower fees for Sanchez and Ndombele earlier this summer but they refused to go (Sanchez was right to not go to Russia by the way)? It has been reported Dier doesn't want a loan and would rather wait until next summer when he can leave on a free. So while you can place some blame on Levy, it shouldn't all go on him if players don't want to go elsewhere for various reasons.

Oh and I am sure D1 always has a negative angle re Levy in his bits of information as well, so I'll wait until September before losing my mind over it.

 

[Dakes]

Nothing like a D1 post to bring out the oust in me.

 

[WiganSpur]

As always I'm worried that this burst of positivity will be used as a smokescreen to hide behind rather than a catalyst to build on. Danny Boy COYS will try to extract as much out of this as possible, and once again we will be running on fumes in a few months.

The fact that we have a fat wedge in our pockets and zero movement on squad building is disgraceful. We have to strengthen now or the wheels will fall off, and for once we're enjoying the ride, I just don't want it to stop prematurely.

We all know what's going to happen. 1 major signing in maximum, most likely 2 youngsters instead. Then we'll manage to only shift half of the outs and 3 quarters of those will be loan deals. Then the positivity under Ange will hit the Levy ceiling guaranteeing we'll be no higher than about 6th.

 

[Hoopspur]

So we have had 2 bits of ITK today - from Prof etc over there and D1 and yet people are choosing to believe one side of things. I understand the history involved but it really is a bit of a case of 'Bed wetters of the World Unite'.

Edit - Oh and you can throw the dislikes or disagrees around as it doesn't mean 2 monkeys to me. My break from being able to participate means its given me a slightly better chance to step back.