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Matthew

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It could have been so different

We turned it around nicely v Aston Villa and then

- no var pen v Newcastle or arsenal
-leads slipped v arsenal , Everton with a freak Gomes injury,Liverpool , sheff utd , var v leicster and lead slipped

Any other season we may have an extra 8-10 points

how does that sand taste?
 

daryl hannah

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see this annoys me, its not a bloody blip! a blip is 2/3 months not nigh on 10 fucking months, i know poch has his admirers ( and im one of them) but even i can admit it aint a blip!
We don't know how long "IT" has been going on in the dressing room, but what we do know is that there were a shed-tonne of injuries all last season which can't of helped. Oh, and we hadn't bought anybody. So for different reasons the run of away form has been poor.

And we still finished 4th.

I would think about those injuries some more and differentiate them from why we were poor after the final in Madrid where it does appear as though players aren't playing for him anymore.
 

mike_l

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see this annoys me, its not a bloody blip! a blip is 2/3 months not nigh on 10 fucking months, i know poch has his admirers ( and im one of them) but even i can admit it aint a blip!
It's more like 15 months of shit performances though, start of last season the excuses of WC and we always start slow were readily accepted by most, and most expected that the performances would improve to go with the winning so all was ok. As it transpired though performances didn't improve, the fortunate wins gave way to limp defeats and the excuses remained.

Now we've got a squad full of players who seem happy to hide behind these excuses and spout off about how fine everything is behind the scenes and that they're working hard to turn it around, when personally what I want to hear is them acknowledge that the past year or so has been unacceptable and that they need to do better.

How any of them can claim they're working as hard as possible and keep a straight face is incredible.
 

Matthew

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It's more like 15 months of shit performances though, start of last season the excuses of WC and we always start slow were readily accepted by most, and most expected that the performances would improve to go with the winning so all was ok. As it transpired though performances didn't improve, the fortunate wins gave way to limp defeats and the excuses remained.

Now we've got a squad full of players who seem happy to hide behind these excuses and spout off about how fine everything is behind the scenes and that they're working hard to turn it around, when personally what I want to hear is them acknowledge that the past year or so has been unacceptable and that they need to do better.

How any of them can claim they're working as hard as possible and keep a straight face is incredible.


agree, the club from top to bottom is rotten at the moment, when in reality it should be at its highest (best stadium europe, cl final) but everyone has their share of blame to give, owners/manager/coaching staff/players .... they all need to pull their fingers out and sort their shit out.
 

daryl hannah

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Tactically it's a tricky one - I don't see huge amounts of the sort of football that Man City & Liverpool play, from Poch, and then I wonder whether it's because we haven't had the personnel to carry out instructions such as crossing the ball accurately from fullback (Pool), or playing intricate/accurate 1-2s at pace in the opposition box that result in a goal like City might.

What we did do under Poch's first few years was press relentlessly (be fitter), create more improvised chances (up your chance creation then by default up your conversion rate), and stretch teams to make the space for the spare man by playing patient possession-based football. This philosophy is what has got us in the top 4 for 4 consecutive years - despite the late substitutions and constant tinkering with the lineup and formation, or the apparent lack of tactical awareness.

It's understandable though, and only natural that such regimented routine without the reward of a trophy at the end of all that hard work (and being nearly men all the bloody time) might have taken its toll on the players' individual and collective motivations.

Does it really matter that the tactical awareness isn't up there with what the players might be experiencing with their national teams when we've finished top 4 for 4 consecutive seasons? I guess each fan would answer that question differently.

It looks like we won't this year, but maybe it should be time for a fresh injection of ideas regardless or whether Poch can turn this around.
 

LDNYid

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3 of our players now have clearly been fucked by clubs in their ear or poor advisers.

Alderweireld - stuck on 50k for 3 years now after his advisers told him he's worth more than what was being offered, lost out on loads of earnings over those 3 years and now at the point where he probably won't be offered enough by a new club to make up for the loss.

Eriksen - Refused a new deal on the basis of Madrid being in his ear, was lead along the merry path only for them to not actually follow up on said interest which has broken him.

Rose - Clearly had a club in his ear when he was confidently saying he will get what he's worth and that he will move up north and get one last big contract and that the club wasn't paying him what he was worth. Well that big contract will never come now and he's now talking about sitting on a contract he considered beneath him.

And that's just the 3 where we've had info to be able to ascertain what has gone wrong, let-alone the likes of Aurier, Wanyama, Vertonghen.

I understand your point, but there are nowfar too many players to be saying they’ve all had bad advice; the chairman is the common thread. Make of that what you will.
 

mike_l

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Tactically it's a tricky one - I don't see huge amounts of the sort of football that Man City & Liverpool play, from Poch, and then I wonder whether it's because we haven't had the personnel to carry out instructions such as crossing the ball accurately from fullback (Pool), or playing intricate/accurate 1-2s at pace in the opposition box that result in a goal like City might.

What we did do under Poch's first few years was press relentlessly (be fitter), create more improvised chances (up your chance creation then by default up your conversion rate), and stretch teams to make the space for the spare man by playing patient possession-based football. This philosophy is what has got us in the top 4 for 4 consecutive years - despite the late substitutions and constant tinkering with the lineup and formation, or the apparent lack of tactical awareness.

It's understandable though, and only natural that such regimented routine without the reward of a trophy at the end of all that hard work (and being nearly men all the bloody time) might have taken its toll on the players' individual and collective motivations.

Does it really matter that the tactical awareness isn't up there with what the players might be experiencing with their national teams when we've finished top 4 for 4 consecutive seasons? I guess each fan would answer that question differently.

It looks like we won't this year, but maybe it should be time for a fresh injection of ideas regardless or whether Poch can turn this around.
Tbh, and I know this may sound like revisionism at it's finest, but even at our peak the style of play was a lot of huff and puff, and when it worked it really worked, but we still had plenty of frustrating games where we just couldn't break through.

Sometimes it maybe seemed more scintillating than it really was because if we were really on it we'd score lots of goals.

Or maybe I am just rewriting history, hard to tell without going back and rewatching.
 

soup

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Supporting Spurs is starting to feel like a mercy fuck. You know that last one you have with your ex, your heart's not in it and you spend 20 mins banging away with a look of disdain and a bit of a sneer on your lip. I get that sneer now whenever I log on here. (Not your fault SC).

The lust for Spurs is going downhill, if we're not careful, all the love and respect will start to disappear as well.

I mean, Is there any good news coming out of this club at the moment? It seems everyone is at odds with each other.
 

Cambridge Spur

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Supporting Spurs is starting to feel like a mercy fuck. You know that last one you have with your ex, your heart's not in it and you spend 20 mins banging away with a look of disdain and a bit of a sneer on your lip. I get that sneer now whenever I log on here. (Not your fault SC).

The lust for Spurs is going downhill, if we're not careful, all the love and respect will start to disappear as well.

I mean, Is there any good news coming out of this club at the moment? It seems everyone is at odds with each other.
20 minutes?!!
 

pedrodelawasp

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Realistic rather than fatalistic

Fans tend to be too optimistic about their team. If you look through the old discussions of Pool fans when Brendan's reign was coming to an end, they were incredibly positive about their squad strength. In reality they had only 1 world class player (Coutinho) and one was just good (Firminho). Klopp has proved it and has thrown 90% of that team under the bus

One of my colleagues is Arsenal fan and he really thinks they have 3rd strongest team in the league.

Ironically, on Pepe, Ceballos, Tierney et al he talks if their potential has already been realized (Pepe is good because he's worth 80 mln, Dani is a Spanish under-smth superstar etc). On the other hand, he evaluates players like Ozil and Luis based on their past achievements (best playmaker in the league, remember how he played in this or that match 1-2 years ago etc).

I guess I’m trying to inhabit some sort of middle ground, accepting there are definite issues but not going so far as to say the vast majority of the squad have nothing to offer whatsoever. You might be right, though - maybe there’s some optimistic background trait in my personality trying to break through my default cynicism!

I would say that any opportunity to upgrade any position, on field or off, should never be dismissed, that no one person at the club should feel their position is nailed on, but wholesale changes are risky too.

Not going to pretend I actually have any answers to the problems myself, I hasten to add!
 

The Doc

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Tbh, and I know this may sound like revisionism at it's finest, but even at our peak the style of play was a lot of huff and puff, and when it worked it really worked, but we still had plenty of frustrating games where we just couldn't break through.

Sometimes it maybe seemed more scintillating than it really was because if we were really on it we'd score lots of goals.

Or maybe I am just rewriting history, hard to tell without going back and rewatching.

Take an FA coaching course. Learn to understand what you're watching. Anything really to help you stop posting bollocks like this. Fmob.
 

Lighty64

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This is just it......I have been saying this for over 6 months. We beat city 1-0 at home cos of the press, thats part of why we got to the CL final. We just dont have that any more and thats why we are conceding goals. I have no idea why its changed. The poch I and everyone loved that has put us where we are is not staying true to that for some reason

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those 1st 3 seasons we had the youngest squad

last 2 seasons the 3rd oldest, and the main 1st team being involved from then.

his 1st 2 seasons with us we played EL and he was playing his strongest XI for PL matches, even his 1st season in the CL which we failed to get out of the groups, he still used his strongest XI for the PL.

last season was the 1st time we hadn't any fresh legs, it was also the 1st time our strongest XI hadn't had a proper summer off, or any preseason.

this season no bloody idea, but JJ did mention the players are shot, rumours have come out that many players don't want such strenuous training and if JJ is right (and I believe 1 of the only ITK's we have on here that's actually involved at the club), then perhaps the training is a reason for being shot
 

southlondonyiddo

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Absolute joke if they sack Poch,if we don’t beat West Ham, in their cup final

We got stuffed away at Brighton, we couldn’t beat Colchester, Watford or Sheffield fucking United ffs and the performances have been pathetic

Why the hell should we suddenly beat the Spammers!!??

I have absolutely no idea what ENIC are up to now the infrastructure is pretty much in place. They seem to have completely lost the plot in regards to 1st team matters
 

SugarRay

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I’ve never understood the whole ‘he has one game left to save his job’ thing, and is suepct it’s probably just media nonsense, but if any manager is apparently one game away from being sacked then surely, the writing is on the wall and it’s only a matter of time. If you’re thinking like that, then just make the change.
 
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