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Everlasting Seconds

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In my view it’s a little bit of derailing talking about whether we were “good” or “bad” last season. I thought we largely delivered the quality I would expect given the circumstances, and the long, winter run of of results on an aggregated level was good.
The really poor stuff all started with Mike Dean and Burnley, prior to that, I was rather happy with the domestic league performance.
 

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Vague article by Matt Law in Telegraph, saying Poch on borrowed time. Matt Law normally quite well informed, article stating where Spurs should stock or twist after West Ham game.
 

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Alderweireld - stuck on 50k for 3 years now after his advisers told him he's worth more than what was being offered, lost out on loads of earnings over those 3 years and now at the point where he probably won't be offered enough by a new club to make up for the loss.

Nobody can get their head round what on earth Toby has been doing . Whoever has been advising him looks to have cost him a fortune !

Could be over 50k per week for 3 years !! Man U will have to majorly cough up to cover these losses .
 
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Vague article by Matt Law in Telegraph, saying Poch on borrowed time. Matt Law normally quite well informed, article stating where Spurs should stock or twist after West Ham game.
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Vague article by Matt Law in Telegraph, saying Poch on borrowed time. Matt Law normally quite well informed, article stating where Spurs should stock or twist after West Ham game.
It is indeed vague, and largely consists of relaying just obvious facts like "Totteham isn't doing that well" and "the sky is rather blue unless it's grey due to rain". I find the West Ham match as a rather arbitrary point in time, and I doubt very much that that specific game is the big decider. I also question the point raised that there is no caretake manager. That's only true if you lack imagination.
 

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this is some thread that Gards is pointing to:

Cheers. TBH as an adult I find anyone who only finds complete fault with one party to be worthless as a discussion point. He's moaning about us selling Bale, not buying Moutinho and Dybala etc. Just any story is seen as a negative against ENIC.

It's just nonsense.
 
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Wasn’t there some ITK that it was his dad who was doing his negotiations?

According to a story regarding the Roma move TA's dad was in agreement. I am assuming TA's dad is not his agent but gets involved with negotiations.
 

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According to a story regarding the Roma move TA's dad was in agreement. I am assuming TA's dad is not his agent but gets involved with negotiations.
Yeah, I’m pretty sure one of the ITKs said that Toby’s dad was being difficult and went back on a verbal agreement they had. All moot now, though.
 

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Cheers. TBH as an adult I find anyone who only finds complete fault with one party to be worthless as a discussion point. He's moaning about us selling Bale, not buying Moutinho and Dybala etc. Just any story is seen as a negative against ENIC.

It's just nonsense.
Surely any idiot can see that onfield success would provide more chance of making substantial profit from a future sale? So why exactly would Levy and co not want onfield success?

Plus if they were only after sale profit why haven't they sold already? Didn't they pay peanuts compared to the current valuation?
 

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I think many of the player assessments offered in this thread are incredibly fatalistic. No doubt this is in no small part down to the incredibly poor run of form of late - there's no denying that and there are many legitimate worries about the squad, the coaching and on-field aspects in general.
Realistic rather than fatalistic

Fans tend to be too optimistic about their team. If you look through the old discussions of Pool fans when Brendan's reign was coming to an end, they were incredibly positive about their squad strength. In reality they had only 1 world class player (Coutinho) and one was just good (Firminho). Klopp has proved it and has thrown 90% of that team under the bus

One of my colleagues is Arsenal fan and he really thinks they have 3rd strongest team in the league.

Ironically, on Pepe, Ceballos, Tierney et al he talks if their potential has already been realized (Pepe is good because he's worth 80 mln, Dani is a Spanish under-smth superstar etc). On the other hand, he evaluates players like Ozil and Luis based on their past achievements (best playmaker in the league, remember how he played in this or that match 1-2 years ago etc).
 

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Surely any idiot can see that onfield success would provide more chance of making substantial profit from a future sale? So why exactly would Levy and co not want onfield success?

Plus if they were only after sale profit why haven't they sold already? Didn't they pay peanuts compared to the current valuation?
Exactly. If Levy and ENIC had simply bought the club and skimmed as much money out the club as possible and put nothing back in then the 100% anti-ENIC views would be valid.

But as an investment company they have put money into the club to improve our infrastructure and in return improve our turnover. Part of this is going into higher wages which is helping us attract better quality players.

It is in ENIC's interest for our team to do better. As an investment company they won't act like a sugar daddy but they will want us to improve within our means.
 

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Oh come on.

We were lucky to come away from Sheffield United with a point. We were even luckier to come away with a point against Manchester City after letting them completely pummel us.
Christ, I'd just about forgotten how embarrassing it was for a supposed top side to turn up at City and show less ambition (and technical ability in fact) than a non-league side would have.

Cheers...
 

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Vague article by Matt Law in Telegraph, saying Poch on borrowed time. Matt Law normally quite well informed, article stating where Spurs should stock or twist after West Ham game.



Not sure why we keep saying “ next game”. Pochettino should of gone weeks ago. It’s pretty clear he isn’t turning this around and another humiliating result against the Spammers shouldn’t change that. He should of gone ages ago.
 

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Guys. It's not a about the results. The football was still piss poor, it has been since the start of the 18' season. It's about the performances not results. Such post is just nonsense.

Yes if we lost to Everton, SU & City etc Poch would probably already been gone. On the other hand if we won or drawed like you suggest Poch would not even be in the mess he's in right now, but he should if the football stayed the same, because it would bite him in the arse rather sooner than later.
I can't remember the last game we actually put in a good performance vs. a decent side, must been like when we smacked Chelsea when they were shit, does that even count.
It’s pretty similar to the end of AVB for me. We truly can’t go for a caretaker for the rest of the season though. They need to move onto someone as soon as it happens.
 

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Surely any idiot can see that onfield success would provide more chance of making substantial profit from a future sale? So why exactly would Levy and co not want onfield success?

Plus if they were only after sale profit why haven't they sold already? Didn't they pay peanuts compared to the current valuation?
Agree with this mate. ENIC have done so much for this club and quite simply have improved us on and off the field. Football has changed and the trophies have only been won by a handful of clubs in the last 10 years.

that having said levy has made a few questionable decisions on managers and transfers etc so I think he could improve in that regard but as you say to only want off the field success is counter intuitive.
Its hard to say if poch could’ve been backed any better because naturally our finances were restricted during stadium build and ITK have said poch turned down a lot of players so it’s not just black or white regarding how much he’s been backed but our form and performances have fallen off a cliff for the past 25 games nearly an entire calendar year so questions have to be asked of poch.

he has 20 points less in his last 25 games than AVB did when he got sacked.
 

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The original JJetset - https://twitter.com/jetsetyid/status/1194346781334593536

We won’t sack him now & the hysteria on here is stupid. His first major blip in charge and he will be supported to come through it. Yes the form has been off for a while & playing style needs to change, yes we need to update certain positions but we will support MP as we should.
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see this annoys me, its not a bloody blip! a blip is 2/3 months not nigh on 10 fucking months, i know poch has his admirers ( and im one of them) but even i can admit it aint a blip!
 

Matthew

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My opinions only of course- these ain’t good:

Aurier agree
Dier agree
Winks good to have as squad player
Sissoko squad player
Davies agree
Rose agree
Sanchez think he needs to re discover his first season form
Walker-Peters agree
Alli dont agree - same as sanchez - needs to rediscober his form, and stop worrying abut his brand
Eriksen ‘19 ughhh ger rid already
Vertonghen ‘19 hurts but agree
Lloris ‘19 agree
Gazzaniga dont agree
 
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