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archiewasking

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Pretty sure he would have left us in the summer if they both didn’t take a manager perm at the back end of the season ! He was flirting with both of them while the rumours were out and never once nipped it all in the bud and we owe him ? No chance no man is bigger than Tottenham Hotspur

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Shadydan

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Ok so we just disagree whether that is attractive.

20year payback counting next to no additional investment (which would be desperately needed). Sorry I don’t think that is particularly attractive. That’s a negative NPV if you include any discount rate at all.

And most people use a 10 year NPV not 20

Could you further elaborate on your post please.
 

gaffers

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That's not what buyers look at mate, pretty sure Sheikh Mansour didn't look at Man City didn't care about City's history when he paid up for them, potential buyers look at your global appeal, potential growth, assets, marketability etc...basically anything that they could turn a profit on.

We have one of the best training grounds in the world, playing in the most lucrative league in the world with TV money increasing, the big selling points of Tottenham will be the stadium, once it's paid of Spurs will be the out and out owner of not just a football stadium, it will be a multi sport/event arena, the amount of money it will potentially turn over from events with all the profits going back into the club is absolutely insane not to mention it being in London, it's an attraction for fans, corporate and sponsors.

Fact is, we're gonna get sold at some point and IMO we're gonna get sold to an American company, everything we're doing is gearing towards the American market.


Once its paid the new owners will be dead this business is leveraged to within an inch of its life, we are stuffed
 

Kspur

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Could you further elaborate on your post please.

Net Present Value a tool or a metric for measuring the quality of an investment.

Effectively you add up all the cash flows in and out on an annual basis including a discount rate as money now is worth more than money later, because you’ve borrowed and you build in some uncertainties, like when the TV deal next comes in. Typically That’s somewhere in the 10% region. So if they projected we would make operating profits of 100m per year it would actually take longer than 20 years to pay back because of the discount effectively reducing that 100m in the calculation each year after the first year.

So given you don’t make your money back in 20years it’d have a negative 20yr NPV.

You could argue you’d still have the capital of the stadium etc and assign a value to the brand at the end but that’s all pretty speculative and I don’t know what depreciation you would use for the stadium, certainly not the 20% per year you would apply to machinery but it certainly wouldn’t be worth what it cost to build.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Apart from anything else, what worries me the most is that we haven't got one top class defender (on this seasons performances) in the squad !
THat's your uttermost worry? The game is about scoring goals. When was the last time we scored more than once in a PL match? When was the last time we won with more than 1 goal in a PL match? When was the last time we were the most scoring team, ie. won, two matches in a row?
 
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Sp3akerboxxx

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THat's your uttermost worry? The game is about scoring goals. When was the last time we scored more than once in a PL match? When was the last time we won with more than 1 goal in a PL match? When was the last time we were the most scoring team, ie. won twice in a row?

Pretty much exactly 8 weeks ago (14/09: Tottenham 4 - O Crystal Palace)
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Pretty much exactly 8 weeks ago (14/09: Tottenham 4 - O Crystal Palace)
8 weeks ago since last we won with more than one goal and scored more than two goals (and even that was only one
Singular time) in the domestic league. And in that period we've met teams like Everton, Sheffield United, Watford, Brighton and Southampton But let's wait for January and this will resolve itself.
 
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ikky

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Sigh if he isn’t sacked during this international break then I’m resigned to him staying and being given the January window to try and get some players in. If we do it won’t be until the end of Jan anyway and it will take them at least a couple of months to be integrated. So we may as well suck it up and get used to the dross we are being served and accept the fact that Levy and the board have written off this season, which is a disgrace imo, especially to paying fans.
 

dace

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His training sessions and conditioning for one. Hes famed for mega hard fitness and gruelling methods. Off the back of 2 seasons and a wc. 1 summer isnt enough to recover with a relatively small squad. Look.at the thigh strain and groin injuries suffered by Ndombele and locelso, not used to it. Anyway, maybe I'm clutching at straws, but theres a mental problem aswell. Their focus and.energy has just vanished. Its reminiscent of when he first started.

Maybe the training sessions are just too much then?
Perhaps sacking the conditioning coach and employing his son is a mistake.
Poch along with Bielsa is famed for this type of training, so what have either of them won?
Perhaps it is not the way to go.
 

pelayo59

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Sigh if he isn’t sacked during this international break then I’m resigned to him staying and being given the January window to try and get some players in. If we do it won’t be until the end of Jan anyway and it will take them at least a couple of months to be integrated. So we may as well suck it up and get used to the dross we are being served and accept the fact that Levy and the board have written off this season, which is a disgrace imo, especially to paying fans.

If i'm not wrong they are 4 or 5 not injured senior players left, what would new manager do with them? Some of ITK that in case of losing to West Ham he will be sacked.
 
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pelayo59

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I can’t see Poch lasting If we lose our next game to a relegation form West Ham. DL will have some big decisions to make. Not only to back or sack Poch but also which manager to replace him with.
I personally don’t want him rid. I will back him totally. But as I said earlier; if we only achieve 1 point in our next 2 games, then sorry he goes.
Changing to "some" :ROFLMAO:
 

rossdapep

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Changing to "some" :ROFLMAO:
When you read Breezers post it does seem that;

Firstly, the club have no intention of sacking him unless things get really bad and then were forced into a decision.

Secondly, if Poch was to leave, the club seem to feel that a project manager is the ideal replacement. Eddie Howe, Nagelsmann, Rodgers etc, and we'd wait until the summer to make such a change.

Thirdly, because things could become worse than imagined rather than go for a ' project coach' the club will need to go for a coach who can give the team a lift immediately. Which is not part of the plan.

In other words, Jose, Allegri or any other big or available coach are not on the list
 

Shadydan

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In other words, Jose, Allegri or any other big or available coach are not on the list

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DannyNZ

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I feel Spurs owe pochetino time and loyalty. He could have left us for Man U and Real but didnt. Instead, he gave Spurs some incredible memories. I know this way of thinking is no longer acceptable in the modern game so i can understand if the trigger was pulled on him and those that want it now.
Poch is owed nothing but his contract, he will have given us some great memories but ultimately he is an extremely highly paid manager charged with delivering performance and results. For the best part of the last year we are one of the worst performing EPL teams and to date there is a no sign of this changing only hope. I’d argue he actually owes the club a lot more than what he is delivering.
 
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