The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[dtxspurs]

I just don't see another scenario that gives me more hope for the future than letting Poch rebuild the squad over the next 2 windows.

We're not getting Mourinho or Allegri, or any top manager. You'd get Eddie Howe and he'd have to "prove himself" before getting any semblance of backing from Levy.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

I just don't see another scenario that gives me more hope for the future than letting Poch rebuild the squad over the next 2 windows.

We're not getting Mourinho or Allegri, or any top manager. You'd get Eddie Howe and he'd have to "prove himself" before getting any semblance of backing from Levy.

Sweet, gentle, hoverboarding Jesus, I hope not

 

[teedee]

League cup football is all he has managed this season I think for them.

A sorry state of affairs, then.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

A sorry state of affairs, then.

Maybe, we're just the mugs who follow the team, we know fuck all about anything really. Like reading what the press has to say. Listening to people on the radio or T.V that are paid to create debate with 'informed' opinions. He's probably learning loads and I am just making a noise on the internet because, well, words.

He's probably average anyway.

We'll know in 6 months to 2 years.

 

[rio bryan]

Apart from anything else, what worries me the most is that we haven't got one top class defender (on this seasons performances) in the squad !

 

[spursfan1991]

I feel Spurs owe pochetino time and loyalty. He could have left us for Man U and Real but didnt. Instead, he gave Spurs some incredible memories. I know this way of thinking is no longer acceptable in the modern game so i can understand if the trigger was pulled on him and those that want it now.

 

[dontcallme]

I feel Spurs owe pochetino time and loyalty. He could have left us for Man U and Real but didnt. Instead, he gave Spurs some incredible memories. I know this way of thinking is no longer acceptable in the modern game so i can understand if the trigger was pulled on him and those that want it now.

I don't believe in owing somebody with regards to employment.

The factor on the manager having the job is if he is the right man for the job. If he isn't then he shouldn't be manager.

 

[dudu]

Come on chaps, don't fight. As well as it being personally upsetting to see two of my favourite posters duking it out, there has to be a middle ground out there that we can agree on. Something with a bit of nuance, some light and shade.

Shadows

 

[dudu]

I have an impression that Toby/ Jan are often forced to play longballs by the opposition. It seems that we are often clueless when other team tries to block the short passing lines. So they just play a longball

Looking back at that Bayern game (still painful to rewatch), see minute 6:40 on the video here


They clearly blocked the passing lines for Harry Winks and he's done. Btw I noticed Ndombele was never caught this way (not vs Bayern but vs any other team) cause he's very comfortable under pressing. He just protects the ball and gets it fwd

Except for their second goal.

Not blaming him but he wasn't very composed when it fell to him in the box when he should have just lumped it

 

['O Zio]

I think if Levy/ Enic were to sell, much as I hate saying it, the billionaire plaything route is the only way to go. There’s no point in Enic selling to anybody who wants to run the club sustainably because Enic are doing that about as well as is possible and it’s still not yielding results. If weget sold then it needs to be to owners similar to Liverpool’s, rather than Arsenal’s. This is the unknown.

The way I see it you've got the following types of buyers:

• Local lad done good/boyhood fan of the club who's made his (or her) millions and wants to fulfil their ambition of owning their favorite team. - these types of owners are pretty much non-existent at the top level now because the costs involved are just too much
• Investor types who want to buy a cheap club, build it up, and sell for a profit e.g. ENIC - Right now in the aftermath of the stadium etc. Lewis and Levy will presumably want so much money for the club, that it's not a very attractive proposition for that type of investor i.e. someone looking to flip houses doesn't go in and buy a brand new fully renovated house, they buy a wreck at auction and gut it.
• Mysterious Asian consortiums who buy these big clubs with grand ambitions to maek them "the next Real Madrid" - this seems to absolutely never work out and the consortiums inevitably don't have as much money behind them as they make out and it all ends in tears
• Insanely rich and even more dubious Russian/Arab billionaires who want a toy - personally I think they're the most likely type to be able to buy Spurs if ENIC wanted to sell. However, as things are theoretically getting more and more difficult in terms of pumping money into clubs, I'm not sure if the market is as big as it once was for this type of investor either.

 

[Ronwol196061]

I feel Spurs owe pochetino time and loyalty. He could have left us for Man U and Real but didnt. Instead, he gave Spurs some incredible memories. I know this way of thinking is no longer acceptable in the modern game so i can understand if the trigger was pulled on him and those that want it now.

The problem is that Poch is just a worker.If he trusted himself he would have put himself on the line with Levy as his reputation was really good with us but he didn't do that. He hemmed and harred,he came up with excuses. He didn't really take charge of the situation but actually putting his job on the line and demand what he needed to be successful and sell that to Levy. He got into the fold with Levy and its been pretty convenient for both of them to just play the game to an extent. Its the quality of the games that is showing though now causing both of them a problem

 

[Kspur]

The way I see it you've got the following types of buyers:

• Local lad done good/boyhood fan of the club who's made his (or her) millions and wants to fulfil their ambition of owning their favorite team. - these types of owners are pretty much non-existent at the top level now because the costs involved are just too much
• Investor types who want to buy a cheap club, build it up, and sell for a profit e.g. ENIC - Right now in the aftermath of the stadium etc. Lewis and Levy will presumably want so much money for the club, that it's not a very attractive proposition for that type of investor i.e. someone looking to flip houses doesn't go in and buy a brand new fully renovated house, they buy a wreck at auction and gut it.
• Mysterious Asian consortiums who buy these big clubs with grand ambitions to maek them "the next Real Madrid" - this seems to absolutely never work out and the consortiums inevitably don't have as much money behind them as they make out and it all ends in tears
• Insanely rich and even more dubious Russian/Arab billionaires who want a toy - personally I think they're the most likely type to be able to buy Spurs if ENIC wanted to sell. However, as things are theoretically getting more and more difficult in terms of pumping money into clubs, I'm not sure if the market is as big as it once was for this type of investor either.

The amount Levy and Lewis would want for the club is reported to be £2b.

There is absolutely zero possibility of anyone buying us at that price given our perennial loser status and sudden decline.

so much easier to buy someone shit and spend half that on players to win the league.

Exactly the same with our players winding down contracts. Offer peanuts get monkeys whilst demanding utterly unrealistic prices.

 

['O Zio]

The amount Levy and Lewis would want for the club is reported to be £2b.

There is absolutely zero possibility of anyone buying us at that price given our perennial loser status and sudden decline.

so much easier to buy someone shit and spend half that on players to win the league.

Exactly the same with our players winding down contracts. Offer peanuts get monkeys whilst demanding utterly unrealistic prices.

I think the only realistic options are either the Russian or more likely Arab billionaire types like City have got, or one of these Chinese investors. But like I say, I reckon the Arabs would think twice because UEFA is cracking down so it's not as easy to pump money in like the Qataris did at City nowadays, and the Chinese types would be an absolute disaster because off the top of my head all of those types of situations have ended in tears

 

[Kspur]

I think the only realistic options are either the Russian or more likely Arab billionaire types like City have got, or one of these Chinese investors. But like I say, I reckon the Arabs would think twice because UEFA is cracking down so it's not as easy to pump money in like the Qataris did at City nowadays, and the Chinese types would be an absolute disaster because off the top of my head all of those types of situations have ended in tears

yup, we’re totally screwed.

 

[Shadydan]

The amount Levy and Lewis would want for the club is reported to be £2b.

There is absolutely zero possibility of anyone buying us at that price given our perennial loser status and sudden decline.

so much easier to buy someone shit and spend half that on players to win the league.

Exactly the same with our players winding down contracts. Offer peanuts get monkeys whilst demanding utterly unrealistic prices.

That's not what buyers look at mate, pretty sure Sheikh Mansour didn't look at Man City didn't care about City's history when he paid up for them, potential buyers look at your global appeal, potential growth, assets, marketability etc...basically anything that they could turn a profit on.

We have one of the best training grounds in the world, playing in the most lucrative league in the world with TV money increasing, the big selling points of Tottenham will be the stadium, once it's paid of Spurs will be the out and out owner of not just a football stadium, it will be a multi sport/event arena, the amount of money it will potentially turn over from events with all the profits going back into the club is absolutely insane not to mention it being in London, it's an attraction for fans, corporate and sponsors.

Fact is, we're gonna get sold at some point and IMO we're gonna get sold to an American company, everything we're doing is gearing towards the American market.

 

['O Zio]

That's not what buyers look at mate, pretty sure Sheikh Mansour didn't look at Man City didn't care about City's history when he paid up for them, potential buyers look at your global appeal, potential growth, assets, marketability etc...basically anything that they could turn a profit on.

We have one of the best training grounds in the world, playing in the most lucrative league in the world with TV money increasing, the big selling points of Tottenham will be the stadium, once it's paid of Spurs will be the out and out owner of not just a football stadium, it will be a multi sport/event arena, the amount of money it will potentially turn over from events with all the profits going back into the club is absolutely insane not to mention it being in London, it's an attraction for fans, corporate and sponsors.

Fact is, we're gonna get sold at some point and IMO we're gonna get sold to an American company, everything we're doing is gearing towards the American market.

The trouble is that will almost certainly be someone like Kroenke who, for the reasons you mention, just sees the stadium etc as a way to keep a steady amount turning over. They won't want to invest in the playing squad.

 

[Kspur]

That's not what buyers look at mate, pretty sure Sheikh Mansour didn't look at Man City didn't care about City's history when he paid up for them, potential buyers look at your global appeal, potential growth, assets, marketability etc...basically anything that they could turn a profit on.

We have one of the best training grounds in the world, playing in the most lucrative league in the world with TV money increasing, the big selling points of Tottenham will be the stadium, once it's paid of Spurs will be the out and out owner of not just a football stadium, it will be a multi sport/event arena, the amount of money it will potentially turn over from events with all the profits going back into the club is absolutely insane not to mention it being in London, it's an attraction for fans, corporate and sponsors.

Fact is, we're gonna get sold at some point and IMO we're gonna get sold to an American company, everything we're doing is gearing towards the American market.

you missed my point - if you are perennial loser, you can’t cost £2b.

you can buy a perennial loser for £10m and spend the rest on players and a new stadium and be god.

agree regarding overseas commercial stuff - massive for winners, mediocre for also rans.

agree re London too.

however that stuff won’t add up to £2b in the mind of a sheikh or American group Imho.

snookered.

 

[Shadydan]

The trouble is that will almost certainly be someone like Kroenke who, for the reasons you mention, just sees the stadium etc as a way to keep a steady amount turning over. They won't want to invest in the playing squad.

Yeah that's my concern as well.

you missed my point - if you are perennial loser, you can’t cost £2b.

you can buy a perennial loser for £10m and spend the rest on players and a new stadium and be god.

agree regarding overseas commercial stuff - massive for winners, mediocre for also rans.

agree re London too.

however that stuff won’t add up to £2b in the mind of a sheikh or American group. Imho.

snookered.

No I understood your point and have already answered it.

It's not about whether you're a perennial loser or whatever that's meant to mean, it's about the profit you can make as an investor. With all I mentioned taken into account investors will look at the situation as a business opportunity to make money, that's the whole point. I presume the club won't be sold until we pay of the stadium so any profit we make from the stadium alone from then on will be instant profit, that's hugely attractive to anyone.

 

[Dirtysanchez6]

I feel Spurs owe pochetino time and loyalty. He could have left us for Man U and Real but didnt. Instead, he gave Spurs some incredible memories. I know this way of thinking is no longer acceptable in the modern game so i can understand if the trigger was pulled on him and those that want it now.

Pretty sure he would have left us in the summer if they both didn’t take a manager perm at the back end of the season ! He was flirting with both of them while the rumours were out and never once nipped it all in the bud and we owe him ? No chance no man is bigger than Tottenham Hotspur

 

[Kspur]

you missed my point - if you are perennial loser, you can’t cost £2b.

you can buy a perennial loser for £10m and spend the rest on players and a new stadium and be god.

agree regarding overseas commercial stuff - massive for winners, mediocre for also rans.

agree re London too.

however that stuff won’t add up to £2b in the mind of a sheikh or American group. Imho.

snookered.

Yeah that's my concern as well.



No I understood your point and have already answered it.

It's not about whether you're a perennial loser or whatever that's meant to mean, it's about the profit you can make as an investor. With all I mentioned taken into account investors will look at the situation as a business opportunity to make money, that's the whole point. I presume the club won't be sold until we pay of the stadium so any profit we make from the stadium alone from then on will be instant profit, that's hugely attractive to anyone.

Ok so we just disagree whether that is attractive.

20year payback counting next to no additional investment (which would be desperately needed). Sorry I don’t think that is particularly attractive. That’s a negative NPV if you include any discount rate at all.

And most people use a 10 year NPV not 20