The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[markiespurs]

Why have you convinced yourself that this whole conspiracy is true? It’s much more likely he’s just trying to stick by the man he pays £8m a year to because tearing it up is a difficult decision to make. We can moan all we like but he’s the only one that can’t go back once he pulls the trigger

I do wonder how much Levy's personal relationship with Poch is stopping Levy from pulling the trigger.

 

[rossdapep]

Young managers, like players, are capable of learning from their mistakes and improving their skills.

I'm fully aware of that. thanks

 

[JayB]

Bruno Fernandez and tielemans are literally nothing alike. Madison is a much closer comparison to Bruno fernandes.

They're both players who float between the No. 8 and No. 10 positions. Bruno is much more attacking threat who gets goals and assists and Tielemans much more of a tempo-setter, but they take up similar areas of the pitch. The point I'm making is that it was an either/or choice between Tielemans and Ndombele/Lo Celso as we're still looking for a player to replace Eriksen despite having brought in the latter two. Tielemans easily could have filled that hole, while providing desperately needed additional depth and helping ease the pain of blooding in multiple new signings in the midfield area. I really think the second half of last season and first half of this one would have played out very differently had we loaned Tielemans last January rather than waiting for Rabiot who had no interest in us.

 

[rossdapep]

There wont be because Levy wont sack him. He’s more concerned with saving that money and playing chicken with united

150m+ rebuild or 30m pay off to get a coach in who can get these players performing?? hmm

 

[Mr Pink]

I think levy has to act now. Use the International break to make the change.

We're getting beat at West Ham under Poch. We'll all be saying the same shit in two weeks time.

 

[markiespurs]

Our poor away form in the league is well documented, especially by the media, but the big worry for me is the amount of points we've already dropped at home this season.

Genuinely worrying to think that we are yet to face any of the good sides at home yet.

 

[wadewill]

We are very lucky there are some bad teams this year.

We could be in serious trouble if there wasn’t

 

[SugarRay]

What a waste of a season

 

[StevePil]

Poch has to go, we have to do it before them lot sack Emery which is imminent I suspect.
I dont get feeling though its going to happen with Poch, look at odds on next manager to go you can get 16/1 on him! There is no noise coming from ITK/Press like there is with Emery, he seems untouchable and I seriously dont get it.
24 points from 25 PL games, no away wins since Jan, costs us points every week with terrible tactics/subs. The CL final was a dream but part of me regrets it as it seems to have papered over some huge cracks and Levy feels he cant sack him, as for the fans still chanting "hes magic" they were again today at the game, I am shocked - how is he magic? he has won nothing and is taking us to the championship with the current stats, does anyone really see us winning another game anytime soon? we couldnt even beat the team bottom of the PL at home recently?

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Just got back from the game, the atmosphere has definitely turned in the stadium. First half saw Gazzanigga have a ding dong with fans behind the goal, then early second half there was booing from the south east corner. It kicked off up there with a number of people turfed out. It’s starting to turn nasty and there is only one way this will end. He has to go now.

Good that. Fucking finally. Thanks for the update.

 

[mpickard2087]

It may sound silly but we are already on the edge of a relegation battle. We are below Newcastle United, Steve Bruce's Newcastle United.
We've amassed I believe 24 points from our last 25 games. No league away win since January. We lost to Newcastle at home, and couldn't beat Watford. We got completely destroyed by Brighton. Who does it look like we can beat to pick up the points required? In recent years there's been an invasion of intelligent coaching to the league, there's no easy games any more and the margins have never been finer. The cliche is now true.

If we don't take action soon, the situation could get away from us if qualified managerial candidates go to other clubs and they will also turn their noses up at us if the predicament gets particularly hairy. If god forbid we're lower in the table in a month's time then I see the only possible option as somebody like Hughton to come in as caretaker. Is that a situation we want?

I totally get the point you are trying to make. And I absolutely agree that Mourinho is absolutely not a solution long term, because of the football, because of the abrasiveness, because of his appalling record with youth players. However let me tell you why I think this is in some ways an appointment that looks after the long term interests of the club.

Let's hypothetically say we sack Poch tonight and appoint Mourinho tomorrow. He's fired up. He's immediately going to get us focused on the job of securing a place in Europe at worst, he'll want us challenging for the FA Cup (which let's be honest would be nice) and i'd wager he'd want us to give it a shot in the CL too. The squad is good enough. I just think he will help us to regain our focus. He also wouldn't need hundreds of millions of pounds spent to make an instant impact. He's got 3/4 experienced CBs that i'm sure he'd love, a solid enough midfield and world class forwards. Europa league is better than no Europe, especially this last couple of years.

He'd also likely get the wantaways back on side, we might see the ones we want to stay sign new contracts here because of the respect they would have for him.

But the most important point to make is that if we get Mourinho in, can you honestly see Kane, Son, Alli, hell even Eriksen being itching to get out the door? I'm sure you'd agree that these players could be a huge part of the process going forward.

If we keep Poch and finish bottom half, do you think these players would be content to stay on? And if we do sell them, who of appropriate quality will we be able to attract? I doubt the players care about the process too much. They care about winning. But without players of this ilk then the process suffers.

Project Mourinho would blow up in a couple of years, everybody knows that. But he might just give us a taste of winning in the meantime, and it would I believe give us the opportunity to retain some of our best players. After project Mourinho blows up, why not think long term then? When hopefully the club has developed a culture of winning which is so desperately needed? At the end of the day, football is a competitive sport. I just think it wouldn't do us any harm to think short to medium term so we can think longer term if you see what I mean?

I don't think we're yet in a real pickle in terms of relegation. I might be wrong, it might change and get to a point where change does have to happen because we look in serious trouble, but I'm still fairly comfortable that at worst we'll pick up enough points and wins along the way as the season peters out. If there is a someone the club wants as new manager (whatever the scenario is with whoever is in charge at any point in time), and he is prepared to take the job now, then go get him by all means and back their judgement, but I assume most managers we'd be after have jobs already and will want to see out campaign and we don't have a caretaker readily available like last time, so leave him in place for now.

As for the rest, I get where you are coming from but it's not important as I see things. I don't think anyone will come in and turn it around immediately, so see this season as done. I don't care about any of the players, if they want to go - Son, Alli, even Kane - I wouldn't cry, none of them are giving 100%. Life goes on. Teams go on. Players come and go. Tottenham will still be here, as will I be supporting them. Anyone who has read my posts over the last few years can probably guess I wasn't overly impressed with or liked some of these players when we were winning matches, let alone in our current predicament!

And I can only go back to my original post. For me I watch first and foremost for the football itself, to my tastes and ideas of what I like. Which is high press, possession based, tactical football etc. That would be my starting point as for the new manager. That might very well mean taking a chance on a 'smaller' name or someone up and coming, but I don't care. I also don't put much stock in needing to get a 'winner'. I expect all managers to know what is needed to be done, when, and to make correct and savvy calls. Poch maybe just falls short in this regard, the next unheralded guy might not be.

I don't expect many, any, to agree. Most are desperate for trophies, dare I say view and watch football in a more black and white, results focused manner and base what they want off that. Fair enough, and that will be how players, managers, owners etc. view it too I imagine and be the criteria they get chosen on, but it's not my way of doing it.

 

[Darrenh61]

Good that. Fucking finally. Thanks for the update.

Just quoted in the poch out thread but today felt like the start of the end in terms of support. Fans fighting among themselves as some don’t appreciate the negativity of others and very loud sustained boos at the end accompanied by half hearted applause for those players bothered to clap the support. Disappointing day.

 

[wadewill]

I really cannot see how Emery is so much closer to getting the boot than Poch.

We are cleary worse than they are and have been for a hell of a lot longer.

It was horrible watching that game today, tactically clueless and awfully coached football team.

He has got to go, every week I hope it’s going to get better but it gets worse. This is never changing unless he leaves, which is such a shame

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Somehow we are three points from 6th place. Massively shit league this season. Change the manager now and there’s every chance we can have a moderately good season still.

 

[SuperSpurs69]

Unfortunately I think it's time for him to go. With the quality of players that we have, we should be 3rd or 4th and hot on the heels of city and Liverpool.

When the next manager comes in there needs to be big changes in player recruitment. No more waiting to the last minute to complete transfers, stopping the stupidly high asking prices for mediocre fringe players, plus not letting the current contract situation happen again. No team with aspirations of winning the league should have 3 first team players with less than 12 months on their contracts.

With regards to who we get in, I think it's gotta be Maureen for a couple of seasons. We need a winner, we need a manager who has no problem kicking the asses of players if they aren't performing.

Don't get me wrong, I can't thank poch enough for what he's done the seasons prior to this one, but I don't think he has the experience to turn this around. If you want to win titles and cups then you need a manager who knows how to do that. I might be wrong here but I'm pretty sure that every Premier league manager who's won the PL has won a championship in another country. The premier league is not a league where an inexperienced manager can win it, in my opinion.

If we do get Jose in then it needs to be on a rolling contract, give him a year first and then keep evaluating it.

I know I'm probably going to get absolutely slated for this but the Chelsea model seems to work OK for them, getting experienced managers in, win a title or 2 and then rinse and repeat. Yes, it's not a stable way to operate as there's never any long term plan, but modern football is all about cycles. You need to keep rotating players and sometimes unfortunately managers to keep things fresh and not going stale.

Sorry for the longish post but now I'm unfortunately in the poch out camp, much as I don't want to be. I'm tired of the football we are playing, fed up with the constant team changes and formation, fed up with his negative press conferences. I don't know how things have gotten so bad in such a short space of time, we've got some fucking great foundations in place but we risk it all going Pete tong if we don't make the change sooner rather than later.

 

[djee]

No diamond, no Eriksen, no win! Pochettino delivered again! What more do they want? They ask and ask and ask, and Pochettino giveth.

It is more than formations and individual players - as a collective, they look totally out of sorts. Either they are not listening to Poch and poorly coached, or the players are simply not good enough to deliver what is being asked. Poch mentioned that we are in 'transition' and to be fair there are several players that not be up to the task, however, the results over 6/7 months and the sudden freefall over that period is damning of the manager.

Frankly, it would be equally brave and scary to stick or twist.

 

[StevePil]

I just keep hoping and praying to see @JJetset appear in this forum and confirm change is imminent.... I am not expecting it and think he is going to get the season, maybe he has something in his contract if we dont get European football he loses some compensation, albeit surely it will cost us more on missing out?

I genuinely dont see what other reason is for him still being our manager if its not about Levy not wanting to pay out the comp.... 40 points from 30 games.... least its enough to stay up I suppose

 

[sausage]

I think levy has to act now. Use the International break to make the change.

We're getting beat at West Ham under Poch. We'll all be saying the same shit in two weeks time.

To be exact, people will have forgotten today's disappointment by monday, and then a large group will swing back to #PochIn, and will spent the entire break vehemently disagreeing with #PochOut (calling people embarrasing, and "not real fans"), then we'll drop points to West Ham and everyone will be back to Pochmageddon

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Can't fucking believe how he's still here. Should be gone after Brighton, it was so obvious.

Enough is enough and people need to stop the love for the man.

Most of that is spot on

After losing 2-7 at home we got the message we were looking for. Zero bounce or any of the squad/management really giving a toss

A 3-0 loss at Brighton should have shown Poch the door

Negligence from Levy who I blame for this entire situation

 

[TC18]

150m+ rebuild or 30m pay off to get a coach in who can get these players performing?? hmm

He’s going to have to spend that sort of money as a minimum regardless, we have a number of first teamers out of contract.

For me I think Levy is deciding whether Poch is the man to carry out the rebuild, or to give it to someone else. Then you have the other continuing issue whether he (Poch) will stay if another team come calling half way through the rebuild.

Levy has probably already made he’s mind up and that’s why he is still managing us. I can’t see that changing unless we are looking like possible relegation candidates.