The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[SuperPav10]

If we’d signed Tielemans we wouldn’t have had room for Ndombele though. Who’s better?

Genuine question. Is either Winks or Sissoko better than Tielemans?

 

[yawa]

Ndombele is better, no argument there.

But this rebuilding talk I don't buy. We're not this fucking bad.

Certainly not bad enough to be outplayed at home to Sheffield United.

This squad is easily top 6. Pushing for title no. But this is shocking

 

[mpickard2087]

I'll engage in the hypothetical 'who next' chat though... I see a lot of calls for Mourinho as he's a winner, not for me. If some fans just want a win/trophy be all and end all, fair enough but that's not for me. I cant separate the process from the end result. For me I watch football for the game, the 90 minutes, the tactics and performances and everything in between that interests me, and to be entertained by it to my tastes and standards - I like high line, high press, possession-based technical attacking football. Of course I'd like Spurs to win every match and trophy too, but style of play and what I'm going to be watching week in week out, for me, comes first and I don't think we should just lurch to someone as they're the easily available 'winning' option.

But as I said, there are big concerns and massive improvements needed, but for now Poch has got to be given the opportunity to try and fix it.

If it happens, you're probably looking at interim (interTim ) until you can get someone to start in the summer. Which is why I'd still give Poch more time even if it takes him until in to the new year to find the solutions to this.

I don't personally want someone like Mourinho "because they're available now", nor do I want to watch his football. As I said the other week, he might well win things, some/most fans might prioritise that over anything else and I can understand that, but I watch football for the match, the 90 mins, primarily for entertainment and to see 'good football' on the parameters that I measure it on. Even with a successful outcome (winning trophies), I cant separate that from the process (the 90 mins of football) of getting there. But that's just me........

I still wouldn't make a change yet, but if it does then a starting point, for me, would be to filter managers on who plays high press, high line, possession based, tactical football.

These were part of posts I made a month ago. Tbh my thoughts are still the same. Doing anything this season, league wise, has gone, forget it, but a strong second half of the season where the mess is sorted out and we see evidence of having found solutions and momentum going into a new campaign and I wouldn't be against him staying. Even if that looks more and more unlikely with every bad result, with the absence of an obvious caretaker I'd just let him stew out the season (as long as we're not right in a relegation battle) because you're more likely to be securing a new manager in the summer rather than midseason. If some months of limbo annoys fans, so be it, they/you/we are always annoyed by something. If it annoys players who gives a fuck, who are you fearing would want to leave the club? Fuck 'em.

And, though I obviously hope Spurs win matches and trophies, I still repeat my belief that I am more concerned about process than (skipping to) the result at the end of it. I don't get the 'we need to just win' mentality, but maybe that's just me and how view things ultimately. I've bored you all for over 20,000 posts on here over 10 years, those who read know I am more than prepared to discuss and dissect football to the nth degree and I'll state what I like and the multitude of shit, win lose or draw, I dislike. But it doesn't get to me, either way, I wake up the next day and I'm over it. Quite honestly I woke up the day after the CL final and I was over it, and truthfully if we'd have won I'd have been the same. For me it's something that's a small buzz and done, not some epoch event. Happily here discussing it and giving an opinion, but it not getting to me or eliciting any real buzz - good/bad/other. Maybe that's just me as a person - On to the next one, tomorrow's a new day, I have enough other things occupying my life than Spurs, etc. etc. etc.

It comes down to your viewpoint and what you're in it for. As I said previously, I watch football..... for the football. The game. The 90 mins. To be (hopefully) entertained to my tastes and ideas and what I measure as a good performance and what I want to see. So that's what I'd be looking for in a new manager first of all. I want process (football matches and performances) that I like and enjoy, and then you hope good process has the result of winning matches and ultimately trophies.

 

[sidford]

Probably. Hate him.

Trust me you ain't alone, don't want him anywhere near my club

 

[glacierSpurs]

King of excuses. Be brave. Be a man. His mantra. Just leave.

 

[danielneeds]

Genuine question. Is either Winks or Sissoko better than Tielemans?

Genuine question do you see Levy giving Poch £100m to spend on two very similar players?

 

[rossdapep]

The acceptance of defeat is seriously worrying me and if we're not careful it will become our standard if Levy does not act

 

[pelayo59]

Genuine question. Is either Winks or Sissoko better than Tielemans?

But Tielemans is more like Ndombele than midfielder which should be partnering him(Ndidi etc)

 

[lennon180]

We’re still in the market for another player of Tielemans’ type even after having signed Ndombele and Lo Celso, as seen by our chase of the likes of Bruno. Tielemans is a quality player who would have made a massive difference last season and at the beginning of this season. Poch turning his nose up at a quality CM playmaker and choosing to persist with a threadbare squad last January was an enormous mistake which contributed greatly to the rot setting in. He’s made many poor scouting choices in his time here, it’s been a huge fucking problem over the past four seasons or so.

how do you know he turned his nose up?

 

[Phil-spur99]

Pochettino on the process Spurs are going through
“I think you can see that yes we need to find the balance. We are building a team during the season, while competing in the Champions League and Premier League, the toughest league in the world, and always that is dangerous, this type of situation can happen. You expect better results than you get. Of course we are in a process to build and we’ll see if we have time to build what we want.”

1) Find the balance - so our manager accepts he still doesn’t have a clue what our strongest XI is.
2) Building a team during the season - yes because we faffed about for 3 transfer windows and once again left signings till late in the window and failed to get them in early and settled... not forgetting holding on to the rebels.
3) See if we have time to build - is someone expecting the sack? I hope so

I don’t really agree with Poch that we are “competing” in the UCL and PL though are we... we are miles off in both!

 

[djee]

The team are totally bereft of belief and style. Poor mentality week in, week out. Levy needs to act now that the top 4 is done. Give a new manager a transfer window and time to adjust and prepare for next season.

 

[JayB]

how do you know he turned his nose up?

Kristoff Terrier, the closest reporter to the Belgium national team, said we had the opportunity to loan him ahead of Leicester and chose not to. There’s some debate as to whether that was due to our no loans without purchase options policy or because Poch didn’t rate him, but regardless it was a mistake. We desperately needed the additional depth last season and the entire series of events which has played out since could well have been very different if we’d added a top young CM last January.

 

[ilikeost]

I don’t really agree with Poch that we are “competing” in the UCL and PL though are we... we are miles off in both!

What do you mean? We managed to beat a team from Serbia!

 

[TOMSPURS]

Bayern Munich sacked their double winning manager because their 10 man team lost 5-1 away & they slipped to 4th. Top clubs act when standards slip. This shite fest has been allowed to go on for months.
If Levy wants Spurs to be a top European club then he has to act. Mourinho & Allegri are currently available, if either can be convinced to come then he has to act. Both would instantly invigorate the squad with their winning mentality.
Poch got out coached by Wilder today. Sheffield were bright, organised & committed. Every player knew their role. Spurs players looked as lost & uninterested as Poch on the sideline.
We have a top class squad, full of hugely talented players. They deserve a manager who believes in them, who's committed & who knows how to win trophies.
Let's watch the likes of Kane, Toby, Eriksen etc. go & play international football for top sides this week & perform. Our players aren't past it, they just don't believe in Poch anymore.
Poch & Levy have served each other well. Poch was given freedom to build his reputation. He delivered success up to a point. Now is the right time for change for all parties. Thanks for the memories Poch.

 

[wirE]

We all knew that facing Sheffield U was going to be hard. Last season we faced teams that came to Wembley for that 1 point. We were lucky tonight. Let’s continue forward.

 

[felmani26]

The acceptance of defeat is seriously worrying me and if we're not careful it will become our standard if Levy does not act

Which is precisely the absolute reason that Mourinho makes sense above all else.

The man is a winner backed up by the fact that, to put it bluntly, he's actually fucking won things!

 

[lennon180]

Kristoff Terrier, the closest reporter to the Belgium national team, said we had the opportunity to loan him ahead of Leicester and chose not to. There’s some debate as to whether that was due to our no loans without purchase options policy or because Poch didn’t rate him, but regardless it was a mistake. We desperately needed the additional depth last season and the entire series of events which has played out since could well have been very different if we’d added a top young CM last January.

I stand corrected.

 

[Mr Pink]

Supposedly. Apparently. Not worth getting angry over internet rumours mate.

Yeah that was a bollox point I made.

Just frustration.

At the end of the day I'm just bored of watching us, bar the odd bit of glitter sprinkled in, we've been so boring to watch for nearly a year now.

 

[glacierSpurs]

We all knew that facing Sheffield U was going to be hard. Last season we faced teams that came to Wembley for that 1 point. We were lucky tonight. Let’s continue forward.

And that's why we didn't win anything last season. And I thought we could have built on last season and win something this season by breaking away from such mentality. But continuing this we will never win anything.

 

[rossdapep]

Which is precisely the absolute reason that Mourinho makes sense above all else.

The man is a winner backed up by the fact that, to put it bluntly, he's actually fucking won things!

Exactly.

The players will get a lift if Mourinho walks in and tells them "I'm here to win"

The players are tired of 'the project'