The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Wig]

Mourinho would only come to Spurs after Levy and he agreed to a strategy, including transfers.

And if he did come, win trophies, then go nuts and leave maybe we would be in a better place to attract whomever we wanted?

It can't be a worse position than we are now can it?

Levy is not stupid, he will stick with poch unless we drop into the bottom 3 imo

Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

I have never suggested he is ‘shit’. But he does have IMO serious personality problems, possibly mental health problems, which inevitably mean his stays are always relatively short. If you just want to win something he is probably our man. If you don’t have unlimited money to spend and want to build something of substance he is definitely not your man.

All these substsanceless trophies, and winning the champions League with teams that have never won it since are the clear signs of a sociopath barely hanging on to his faculties.

The rubbish you hear online.

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

Because Levy doesn't recognize we're actually a big club now.

 

[dudu]

I think that's exactly the problem too. 5 years is a long time in management. It's hardly been a season or two to win something.

We could give him time to turn it around or get back to form, to what? More glorious 4th positions or glorious final losses? Getting into a final feels good. Poch has brought that back and I loved him for it. Getting in the CL feels good, he also brought us that and I loved him for it, but I imagine winning these things must feel even better.

FA Cup:

2014/15 Arsenal (runners up Villa)
2015/16 Man Utd. (Palace)
2016/17 Arsenal (Chelsea)
2017/18 Chelsea (Utd.)
2018/19 Man City (Watford)

EFL Cups

2014/15 Chelsea (runners up Spurs)
2015/16 Man City (Liverpool)
2016/17 Man Utd. (Southampton)
2017/18 Man City (Arsenal)
2018/19 Man City (Chelsea)

League

2014/15 Chelsea (City runners up)
2015/16 Leicester (Arsenal)
2016/17 Chelsea (Spurs)
2017/18 City (Utd.)
2018/19 City (Liverpool)

CL (British clubs)
2017/18 Madrid (Liverpool)
2018/19 Liverpool (Spurs)

Leicester - 1 win.
Liverpool - 1 win / 3 x 2nds.
Utd. since Fergie, - 1 x win and 1 x 2nd.
City - 5 wins and 1 x 2nd.
Chelsea - 3 wins and 1 x 2nd.
Arsenal - 0 wins and 2 x 2nds.
Us - 3 x 2nds.
Villa, Watford, Saints, Palace - 1 x 2nd.

In those five years with Poch at the helm, Utd. have been in disarray, as have Arsenal and Chelsea for most of it, all with multiple managers that have been and gone but we still didn't do as well as any of them, barring Arsenal who we got 1 more 2nd. Our team was also having it's praises sung upon high whilst the others were considered pretty tragic, so what went wrong? For me, unfortunately it was the manager. A great guy, who I love to pieces, but just doesn't quite cut it.

The guy came to us without the experience of managing a side that is trying to compete at the level we have been in the last 4 years on top of everything else that has been going on around us with the stadium move etc. There aren't that many managers in the world that would have been experienced enough to take us through that period and still maintain what he did, in fact, there are plenty of managers that fail to manage during much more simplistic tenures.

We are in a rut he is trying to get us out of and, as of right now, he is failing to do so.

I believe if given enough time he can get us out of it but that ship might have just sailed for him. We don't really have the luxury of time anymore and my sentimental side is waining.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

We are always in transitions, and Poch over achieved with our squad.

 

[Haddock]

I feel like this has been said numerous times now but it deserves to be said again.

Pochettino, similarly to Klopp, is a motivator and he's been great at nurturing young and talented players in to senior pros. Pochettino has never been a brilliant tactician and to be honest I don't believe Klopp is either. I'm not saying Pochettino and Klopp are football cretins that just instruct the players to run around a bit - But their main trait as coaches are that they have the ability to make the players run through brick walls for them. Liverpool pretty much plays the same players, with the same tactics, in the same formation regardless who they are up against. Of course it helps that they have world class players in key positions as well.

Anyway, this Spurs team is screaming out for some tactical nuance. We have some of the leagues best attacking players in Kane, Son, Alli, Ndombele and we have some of the most experienced CB's in the PL in Alderweireld and Vertonghen. I refuse to believe that there isn't possible to dig out a formation and and tactical setup that utilizes this squad in a better way than our current league position. We have been underperforming for far too long and it really feels like that CL final run in a way f'cked us because it painted over the cracks.

Pochettino has been a fantastic coach for us but it's time to part ways. It's really not a big deal. All organisations go through a management cycle and at some point both the man or woman who makes the decisions and the employees need to be changed to have a healthy development. We need another type of coach and Pochettino needs to take a step back and find a new challenge. I mean seriously, does anyone believe Pochettino wakes up every morning with a smile on his face and with a clear vision of what he wants to do?

I still love the man but it's time.

 

[guy]

Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

Poch deserves the chance to turn it around beyond the January window, if he decides to bring in some new faces/ship out some deadwood.

Levy is reasonable in that he will give poch that chance, unless it goes completely to shit. That is how I see this playing out.

 

[Joeyboey]

Start of documentary, opening scene.

Kane: “This is our year boys. We’re gonna push on from last year and win something! It’s all or nothing!!!!

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All or nothing is quite apt. Seems we opted for the latter.

 

[allatsea]

Crossed a line there I think.

See how his second spell at Chelsea ended.

 

[rez9000]

See how his second spell at Chelsea ended.

How is that evidential of mental health problems?

 

[shelfboy68]

Poch deserves the chance to turn it around beyond the January window, if he decides to bring in some new faces/ship out some deadwood.

Levy is reasonable in that he will give poch that chance, unless it goes completely to shit. That is how I see this playing out.

Levy is reasonable have you only started supporting spurs since August poch will be lucky if he is given the chance to buy a lottery ticket in January certainly not 2/3 player's.

 

[Joeyboey]

Jesus, why do we have until Spurs drop into the bottom 3 before taking action?

Agree. We’ve lost more games in all competitions than any other premier league team since January. Been a long 10 months and we’re arguably still getting worse. 10 months of relegation form is already very patient in this game.

 

[Shadydan]

Levy is reasonable have you only started supporting spurs since August poch will be lucky if he is given the chance to buy a lottery ticket in January certainly not 2/3 player's.

He's been more than reasonable, any other chairman would have pulled the trigger on Poch ages ago.

 

[gavspur]

I’d like to see Poch turn it around, as would most, but his continuous crazy decisions are really hurting the team (Sanchez RB, Eriksen pffrt, fitness level requirements, his contradictions, constant changing of tactics and personnel, strange substitutions)... If we win tomorrow, and we play well (like Palace and hone game of this tie) then he should stick with those players in those roles.. It’s really not that difficult, but he’s refusing to do it. Why? It seems he’s cutting his nose off to spite his face, and it’s ruining our season..

If the main man is struggling for any kind of resemblance of sanity, then we truly are in need of a new leader.

 

[shelfboy68]

He's been more than reasonable, any other chairman would have pulled the trigger on Poch ages ago.

Maybe the reason for that is levy is or has taken collective responsibility for the mess otherwise yes he would have gone, but I'm trying to inject a bit of fun into things because it's so grim we need cheering up.

 

[glacierSpurs]

Things would have improved if they are meant to be. From a poor 8 months to 9 now going to 10.

TBH, did we even see any drastic changes, coaching, set up and approach in the games after a poor game? Was just the same lacklustre and turgid performance with no creativity on the final third, with intensity only picked up after we were behind or equalised. How long more is considered enough till we see the need for a change?

 

[jondy1]

Espanyol... won nothing left by mutual consent (sacked)
Southampton...won nothing.. Adkins unfairly sacked improved position from 15 th to 14th by end of season.
Next season.Done well by Southamptons standard and finished 6th
Loyalty? Spurs came in for him,fuck you I am off.
Spurs ...won nothing... there is a pattern emerging here. Improved spurs by 2 places overall with the best squad of players this club has seen since the Danny blanchflower era. Will he go if offered greener pastures elsewhere....you bet he will. Loyalty? People on here blasting fans for wanting a managerial change.. ffs get your head out of your arses.

 

[Darth Vega]

Espanyol... won nothing left by mutual consent (sacked)
Southampton...won nothing.. Adkins unfairly sacked improved position from 15 th to 14th by end of season.
Next season.Done well by Southamptons standard and finished 6th
Loyalty? Spurs came in for him,fuck you I am off.
Spurs ...won nothing... there is a pattern emerging here. Improved spurs by 2 places overall with the best squad of players this club has seen since the Danny blanchflower era. Will he go if offered greener pastures elsewhere....you bet he will. Loyalty? People on here blasting fans for wanting a managerial change.. ffs get your head out of your arses.

I want him out - have done since the Brighton defeat - but the "won nothing" criticism for Espanyol and Southampton? Guardiola wouldn't win a trophy with Southampton, let alone Poch. It wasn't his remit.

Even with us, we're a team that has won two trophies in two decades. Tottenham and winning don't go hand in hand, as much as it pains me to say.

As much as I think the right thing for all parties is for Poch to leave, some of the revisionist nonsense happening is ridiculous. I agree that we should've won something - a league or FA Cup would've been realistic with the squad we/he built - but when the dust settles his tenure here will be looked back on with nothing but fondness. He's been our best manager for decades - certainly the best in the Premier League era - and took us places that we could've only dreamed of. Sure, there's a bit of "what could've been" with some of the title runs, but let's not pretend he's been anything other than outstanding for us. When he does go - I hope soon - he goes with tremendous applause and thanks.

 

[Japhet]

The guy came to us without the experience of managing a side that is trying to compete at the level we have been in the last 4 years on top of everything else that has been going on around us with the stadium move etc. There aren't that many managers in the world that would have been experienced enough to take us through that period and still maintain what he did, in fact, there are plenty of managers that fail to manage during much more simplistic tenures.

We are in a rut he is trying to get us out of and, as of right now, he is failing to do so.

I believe if given enough time he can get us out of it but that ship might have just sailed for him. We don't really have the luxury of time anymore and my sentimental side is waining.

The big question mark over that (and I mean BIG), is whether he has the desire to be here and achieve those things.

 

[rabbikeane]

Done well by Southamptons standard and finished 6th
Loyalty? Spurs came in for him,fuck you I am off.

Think that's a bit harsh, he made it clear when we came in for him that he in no way would leave mid season.
Also was prepared to stay at Southampton until them from his point of view was disloyal to the sporting director at the time which was the person that Pochettino joined their club for.
If anything, Pochettino is extremely loyal - to those that are his people.