The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Ronwol196061]

Mate, I'm seeing my Dad's team S****horpe lanquishing at the trap door of the football league, with one win in 14 matches, and in serious danger of administration if we drop into the National League.

It really ain't that bad.

Are you sure? Have we played S****horpe yet?

 

[Primativ]

But this is just 2nd hand information from agents, right? So all respect I'll take that with a hefty dose of skepticism and wait and see.

Erm how can you watch our recent games and not realise Poch has lost the players? I’d argue that if anyone can’t see he’s lost the players, they are probably blind.

 

[freeeki]

I really cannot see why the hell he's still here.

It's obvious he's lost the dressing room, and it's even more obvious that he lacks the capability to turn this around.

Every day he remains at the helm is a day we've wasted when we could be working on getting things back on track.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

People defending him, yet the player that everyone creamed their pants about during the summer sat on the bench at home to Watford ... Throwing all that cash at him, needs to get fitter, starts on the bench against the shittest team in this league ...

Yeah, nah.

 

[hatch]

We need a change, other clubs have caught up with us. We had a great opportunity to win the league, FA cup and league cup, I don’t see us going back to that point under poch, even with a January window because are the players he buys going to be ready, it’s mid October and the summer transfers aren’t.

 

[nailsy]

But this is just 2nd hand information from agents, right? So all respect I'll take that with a hefty dose of skepticism and wait and see.

I don't think Vals info is from an agent. I might be wrong though.

I hope you're right and the players are still playing for him they can find a way out of this mess together. It just doesn't look like it at the moment.

 

[Primativ]

People defending him, yet the player that everyone creamed their pants about during the summer sat on the bench at home to Watford ... Throwing all that cash at him, needs to get fitter, starts on the bench against the shittest team in this league ...

Yeah, nah.

His decisions are completely mental. I hate the fact that he takes so long to integrate new signings too and acts like they have to get really fit when we play at such a slow laborious pace anyway. It doesn’t make any sense.

I find it funny that people think bringing in GLC and Sess will solve the problems. No chance.

The problem is systematic across the squad. Only solution is changing the manager. Levy also is looking to give him as much chance as possible to turn things around but it’s just not happening.

 

[SpartanSpur]

It's possible to love Poch and everything he's done for the club, but also feel like there is a real need for both parties to part ways. We couldn't have had much better fixtures to turn things around than Brighton and Watford and we were lucky to come away with a single point. Both performances were terrible too. No need for blind loyalty to him while the situation just seems to get worse and worse, we can leave that stuff to Westminster.

Poch's decisions are getting more confusing by the day too. Surely now is the time to go back to basics and also use the younger and hungrier players. Yet he seems to constantly change formation and keeps playing the 'unsettled' players that are supposedly the problem. Must win home game and our most dangerous attacker (Son) at home is left out. Makes no sense.

If what @Trix says is correct the writing is on the wall. My concern is Levy will refuse to sack him for two reasons 1) the high compensation and 2) not wanting him to walk to Utd on a free. Tricky situation but it seems like dragging this on is only going to end one way, the same end result but with more damage done in the meantime.

 

[Ronwol196061]

People defending him, yet the player that everyone creamed their pants about during the summer sat on the bench at home to Watford ... Throwing all that cash at him, needs to get fitter, starts on the bench against the shittest team in this league ...

Yeah, nah.

If you are talking about NDombele,I would say that you are right that he should be fitter but NDombele has shown some great moves going forward,the problem is Poch doesn't understand how to fill in for him when he does. He had Winks alone behind NDombele in the Bayern game. NDombele pushing up kept Bayern at quiet for a half an hour in the first and we could have copped 3 goals but Winks was then by himself and Poch I think eventually took of Winks and put on Dier…..he should have had them both behind NDombele protecting the defence.
Poch I think knows he needs to play more on the front foot but has no idea how to.He is stuck in his plan. We have too few creative players Ndombele can at least immediately hit that pass even to a starved Harry Kane but Poch has him on the bench,he doesn't know what to do with Eriksen. etc. He did try Dele there in this last game,he had a good game but it wasn't enough.

 

[Gspurs11]

Even if Poch does somehow manage to stabilise this mess, get a January window and start a rebuild, would he be committed to stay for another cycle? I don't think he would as his press conferences have pretty blatantly alluded to. I guess it would leave us in a better position to recruit a new manager as the options available at the moment aren't ideal.

 

[Haddock]

I hate to say it. But this is AVB all over again. The players look unmotivated, uninspired, tactically clueless, our overall play is slow and lackadaisical. The 2-7 result against Bayern was the final nail in the coffin. Partly the result, but more importantly the way it happened. The players just lay down their tools and clocked out.

We can spend time analyzing why and how this happened, who is to blame and what should be done differently in the future, but right now we have to try and salvage what's left of the season. Pochettino must go and the sooner the better.

 

[WalkerboyUK]

I really cannot see why the hell he's still here.

It's obvious he's lost the dressing room, and it's even more obvious that he lacks the capability to turn this around.

Every day he remains at the helm is a day we've wasted when we could be working on getting things back on track.

Levy's too busy trying to figure out when the cliff-hanger episode taking us into the mid-season break of All or Nothing will be filmed. That's when we get the will he/won't he finish to the episode.

 

[Ronwol196061]

Levy's too busy trying to figure out when the cliff-hanger episode taking us into the mid-season break of All or Nothing will be filmed. That's when we get the will he/won't he finish to the episode.

Is there any way we can choose our own ending?

 

[Gassin's finest]

Levy's too busy trying to figure out when the cliff-hanger episode taking us into the mid-season break of All or Nothing will be filmed. That's when we get the will he/won't he finish to the episode.

You may jest, but I bet this isn't that far from the truth. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a large part of the coach and squad being disgruntled.

 

[nailsy]

@C-oops how is that spam? I knew Klopp would take Liverpool to levels we could only dream of and that is due to both the club being more aware of how to build a successful team than levy and our recruitment team are and also due to klopp being a better manager than poch. He has a more successful system and way of playing and he’s a better motivator and he’s been there done it and won things so no surprise to me that he’s been far more successful and yes I say FAR more as he’s won the CL and got to 4 cup finals and got Liverpool to finish a season on 99 pts and they’re again the best and most consistent team this season.

klopp and pep are two of the very best managers in the world right now.

Klopps a great manager, but he still had a bad final season at Dortmund when they finished 7th. Just because Poch is having a bad run it doesn't mean that he isn't a great manager as well. It might mean that his time with us is over though. Don't forget that he's been working with one arm tied behind his back due to having to operate on a mostly net zero transfer policy until this season and also having to play a season and a half at Wembley.

 

[Spunkmonkey]

Mate, I'm seeing my Dad's team S****horpe lanquishing at the trap door of the football league, with one win in 14 matches, and in serious danger of administration if we drop into the National League.

It really ain't that bad.

Apples and oranges mate

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Klopps a great manager, but he still had a bad final season at Dortmund when they finished 7th. Just because Poch is having a bad run it doesn't mean that he isn't a great manager as well. It might mean that his time with us is over though. Don't forget that he's been working with one arm tied behind his back due to having to operate on a mostly net zero transfer policy until this season and also having to play a season and a half at Wembley.

If it’s true that he turned down Tielemans and Maddison because he thought we couldn’t be improved on unless it was a select few players, then my sympathies for him here drop massively

 

[nailsy]

If it’s true that he turned down Tielemans and Maddison because he thought we couldn’t be improved, then my sympathies for him here drop massively

I'm not sure where this is coming from. Until recently the story was that he didn't want Tielemans because it was a loan with no option to buy, and that Maddison turned us down and went to Leicester because he thought he'd get more playing time there. Do you know where this new info has come from? Just to be clear I'm not suggesting you or anyone else is making it up.

 

[DelBoyN17]

Yeah, I said we're playing like ****s didn't I?

But as you say, this is as bad as we have been for years... in years. This is our first dodgy patch since the AVB/Sherwood season. 5 years. And so rather than weather it, we're talking about booting the manager, like those 5 years mean't nothing.

This is a mental PL this year. Man City are getting beaten as well, Man Utd are dreadful, Aresnal can't hold onto leads either... and Bayern Munich are a European giant who regularly deck other "big" clubs... Arsenal can attest to that.

Suddenly we're arrogant enough to assume that we should sweep everyone aside without resistance?

Spurs fans should man up and put up with it for a bit.

Sorry mate but your completely wrong, Poch for me is done & I’ll explain why ......... our form since Feb 2019 has been relegation fodder & a jammy run to the champions league final only papers over the cracks (& we typically never turned up in our clubs biggest game under Poch) our last away win was a lucky 2-1 win against bottom of the table Fulham & they were unlucky not to beat us on the day, since that result we've lost to Burnley away, embarrassed at Chelsea away, lucky to get a point at Wembley against Arsenal, embarrassed away at Southampton, lost away to Liverpool & city (albeit no shame in that) scrapped a last minute winner at home to Brighton, & was beat at home to West Ham & I cant explain the shit show away at Bournemouth, now people will say yeah but we had champions league games in between that, but we somehow fumbled our way to the final & then froze again on the biggest stage, then we go into the season full of optimism & so far we’ve played shit all season, bar the first 40 mins at Arsenal & the first 45 against palace, we’ve lost to the shittiest team in the league in Newcastle at home, lost to league 2 Colchester, been spanked 7 at home, & I don’t care who we played you don’t concede 7, got embarrassed 3-0 away to Brighton & somehow fluked a 1-1 draw at home to bottom of the league Watford, who had no recognised striker on the pitch, all the while Poch continues to give us lip service saying Saturdays draw to be a turning point in our season, are you fucking serious, come on mate please see the wood beneath the trees here, he’s done well under the circumstances but enough is now enough, Sanchez at RB, his diamond formation, 3 at the back on Saturday & then hooking off the one defender who looked ok in the 1st half, it’s over & people will come to the idea, sad but for me its time for a new voice & ideas

 

[Bobbins]

I really cannot see why the hell he's still here.

It's obvious he's lost the dressing room, and it's even more obvious that he lacks the capability to turn this around.

Every day he remains at the helm is a day we've wasted when we could be working on getting things back on track.

What's the point in getting things back on track? We're never going to break the cycle of not winning anything. Doesn't matter who the manager is or what players we have.

It's a lot of energy to expend to achieve absolutely nothing.