The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Lighty64]

Yes but that's not looking at it objectively, and Levy will be only too aware how poor we've been since February, and we're starting to look worse.

To just look at league position right now, is not telling the whole story, far from it.

I would completely agree had we not been so poor in the second half of last season, but it has to be taken into consideration if we're analysing accurately.

sorry but how can you or anybody not understand that the form from Feb to May was down to BURNOUT

This season a lot of it's down to players not playing for the shirt or the club, because they don't want to be here and at the moment the only player being punished is Eriksen, the 1 player that as a rule makes us tick (not so much this season). we made 4 signings 1 sent on loan 2 of the others have been injured, and Ndombele admitting to finding the change pretty hard at the moment.

we have Winks and Sissoko defending our backline pretty poorly, and both not playing the right passes or having an end product.

at the moment everything is frustrating

 

[Monkey Bastard Hands]

I’m an ardent Poch supporter but really starting to struggle to back him after yesterday. To me the issue is that there is too much deadwood in the squad which is negatively impacting things. But what is confusing the fuck out of me is why Poch is still playing those players. If he was to drop them, refresh the team with players who aren’t negative influences then I think we’d be fine, we’d have players who buy in to what Poch’s doing and I’m convinced the results would come.

But he’s not dropping them. Why??? He did it in 2014 - why isn’t he doing it now? This is where he needs to be ruthless and show his capability as a manager. Alex Ferguson would have canned the likes of Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen etc already but Poch continues to play them. This is the difference between Poch being a world class manager and not, and if he’s not going to do it and rebuild the team with what we have now, then it’ll be too late by January.

 

[canadacelt]

I’m an ardent Poch supporter but really starting to struggle to back him after yesterday. To me the issue is that there is too much deadwood in the squad which is negatively impacting things. But what is confusing the fuck out of me is why Poch is still playing those players. If he was to drop them, refresh the team with players who aren’t negative influences then I think we’d be fine, we’d have players who buy in to what Poch’s doing and I’m convinced the results would come.

But he’s not dropping them. Why??? He did it in 2014 - why isn’t he doing it now? This is where he needs to be ruthless and show his capability as a manager. Alex Ferguson would have canned the likes of Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen etc already but Poch continues to play them. This is the difference between Poch being a world class manager and not, and if he’s not going to do it and rebuild the team with what we have now, then it’ll be too late by January.

 

[ChristianBaler]

I didn't think I'd ever say this but just sack him. Players are not interested, he's acting like a spoilt wee fanny. Just sick of the way we are playing now. The whole I don't think we will spend in January thing fucked me off along with the performances over the last 9 months. If he doesn't see we need to improve and want to sign players in any window to improve then we are really fucked

is he suppose to publicly come out and say that the players are shite and he cant wait to spend on new ones come January?

read between the lines there, he's trying his best to publicly back his players.

 

[fuzzylogic]

is he suppose to publicly come out and say that the players are shite and he cant wait to spend on new ones come January?

read between the lines there, he's trying his best to publicly back his players.

Tbh well the giving them a wee cuddle isn't cutting it is it? Or being invited to dinner. There's no lines, when yer jobs on the line. Players aren't playing for him, probably the most boring football we've played since avb. What's your solution? Publicity back his players that aren't interested to save his skin?

 

[Larryfromthelane]

1-1 against the club at the bottom of the league was an actual improvement, thats how bad we have got.
Poch has to go ASAP. Thanks for the memories but your time is up. I really hope he goes soon so that his legacy isnt burned by the crowd chanting for his head

 

[ChristianBaler]

Tbh well the giving them a wee cuddle isn't cutting it is it? Or being invited to dinner. There's no lines, when yer jobs on the line. Players aren't playing for him, probably the most boring football we've played since avb. What's your solution? Publicity back his players that aren't interested to save his skin?

If it was early December maybe his choice of words would have been different but he's got to put up with some of these players for the next 2 1/2 months. He said that to try and keep what "influence" he has on those that have lost interest.

 

[Spurger King]

I’m an ardent Poch supporter but really starting to struggle to back him after yesterday. To me the issue is that there is too much deadwood in the squad which is negatively impacting things. But what is confusing the fuck out of me is why Poch is still playing those players. If he was to drop them, refresh the team with players who aren’t negative influences then I think we’d be fine, we’d have players who buy in to what Poch’s doing and I’m convinced the results would come.

But he’s not dropping them. Why??? He did it in 2014 - why isn’t he doing it now? This is where he needs to be ruthless and show his capability as a manager. Alex Ferguson would have canned the likes of Rose, Alderweireld, Vertonghen, Eriksen etc already but Poch continues to play them. This is the difference between Poch being a world class manager and not, and if he’s not going to do it and rebuild the team with what we have now, then it’ll be too late by January.

Very much this, though I’d add that for the first time I’m starting to think that he’s genuinely trying to get himself sacked. That would be utterly disgraceful (and a timely warning about ever appointing Mourinho).

I think he wants out, and he wants the compensation that comes with being fired. I think the players know he wants to leave, and they’ve lost any enthusiasm or commitment to his extreme training regimes.

Personally I think it all goes back to the CL. They threw all of their eggs in that basket last season, somehow won a top 4 race that nobody wanted to win, fluked our way to the final, and blew the moment of destiny.

 

[fuzzylogic]

If it was early December maybe his choice of words would have been different but he's got to put up with some of these players for the next 2 1/2 months. He said that to try and keep what "influence" he has on those that have lost interest.

Good luck with that, he's lost the whole dressing room by the itks. He's always had a plan, just one plan though. That's the difference.

 

[AnotherSpursFan]

Mauricio, a false messiah

was fun while it lasted, but throughout his tenure our attacking play has always been shit and disjointed, relying on individual brilliance more than off the ball movement and tactics.

Mauricio is about building up the team's mental strength, his tactic has always been shit. Better managers would have made more use out of Llorente, Moura, Sanchez and Aurier.
Especially Llorente and Moura, its disgraceful and totallly uncalled for to play Kane each and every game for 90 minutes in FA cup, League, Champsleague even when he is not fully fit.

 

[olliec]

On the bright side the scum also drew with them.

 

[Gassin's finest]

On the bright side the scum also drew with them.

Or a reality check that the premier League is nails this season and all the big teams bar Liverpool are getting beat.

 

[piedpiper]

Mauricio, a false messiah

was fun while it lasted, but throughout his tenure our attacking play has always been shit and disjointed, relying on individual brilliance more than off the ball movement and tactics.

Mauricio is about building up the team's mental strength, his tactic has always been shit. Better managers would have made more use out of Llorente, Moura, Sanchez and Aurier.
Especially Llorente and Moura, its disgraceful and totallly uncalled for to play Kane each and every game for 90 minutes in FA cup, League, Champsleague even when he is not fully fit.

Couldn't winner this enough... I've seen Kane being ineffective in countless games and playing the full game. I honestly don't get it. No player should be guaranteed a starting place and virtually guaranteed 90 minutes on the field.

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

I’m so surprised to see so many people placing all the blame on the players, and you have some kind of fantasy idea that Poch has world class tactics and all he needs is the right players to buy into his ethos?

Please stop with this bullshit. For all that Poch is as a manager, he is not a master tactician. He is not a rotation specialist. He is not a youth guru. He cannot use substitutions. He is not a master in the transfer market his stubbornness has cost us a fair few players who we would love to have now. The diamond has never and will never work for us. That’s just some of the on pitch issues. Never mind the off field issues.

For anyone who can’t see it clear as day now that we desperately need a change, then you probably never will. The players have to shoulder SOME of the blame, of course they do. But 90% of our problems over the past few months have to land on Poch’s table.

We need someone with some bite and winning pedigree, the only name that’s worth mentioning at the moment who would come in a heart beat is Mourinho.

 

[benaudere]

I could change the entire team and Poch will still mess this up. He needs a rigorous course on tactics and improves himself as a manager before he coaches a real big club. Sad times for the club and I hope we resolve this soon. The fans deserve better.

 

[Anurag Jo]

Its highly amusing to me that Poch is still being touted for the RM job.

He's the last person who could handle such big personalities.
He's won fuck all.
He's too stubborn.
He is not that good with tactics.

The only person I think RM should be going in for is Jurgen Klopp.

 

[spursfan77]

As I was saying at HT to @scat1620 , I'm not Poch out yet but I can only repeat what I said before the international break. Some of these players are just going through the motions and are going to get him sacked if he doesn't change things. And we are talking about senior, core group players who have a real effect on proceedings and what is being played out.

Not just on todays game, but I'd say there are five of them in particular who look a bit detached and/or are going through the motions. That doesn't mean we're getting no effort from them, it doesn't mean they don't still make impacts on the game, but I don't see 100% focus and a hunger for the cause.

They are:

Eriksen - Lets get the obvious one out of the way first. Been unsettled for ages and we've seen the clear effect on his game.

Rose - Physical decline, but just seems to play even more with his head in the clouds and back to switching off constantly.

Vertonghen - Also showing signs of decline, another who is getting caught out from switching off and going through the motions.

Alderweireld - Daft errors/play with and without the ball increasingly being seen.

Kane - I fully expect to get abuse for this one, but he's going on the list. Just plodding around half-heartedly for the most part. Just on todays game, people will no doubt point out the handful of times he got angry and chased something and say that shows he's fine and I'm talking crap, but he doesn't press and even when we have the ball I can point you to umpteen times today when eg. a cross went in and he's just stood looking rather than trying to get on it. There's far too much of that currently.

You can argue everyone else's strengths and weaknesses, tactics and what the manager is doing wrong etc, and they're all problems that require fixing, but I see those five as the biggest problem that needs rectifying, ASAP. And they're arguably the most senior players, age/profile/tenure at the club and must have substantial weight in the dressing room. I think some are totally a lost cause, in that case remove them. If he doesn't it will all end in tears.

We need eleven players out on the pitch who are hungry and want to give there all. That's the starting point before we get to quality of football and winning matches.

there’s no way Kane is playing for him. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s one of the unhappiest.

 

[$hoguN]

Really not an advocate of booing the team but surely the constant boos must be telling Levy we are all done with the shite being served up

 

[dricha1]

sorry but how can you or anybody not understand that the form from Feb to May was down to BURNOUT

This season a lot of it's down to players not playing for the shirt or the club, because they don't want to be here and at the moment the only player being punished is Eriksen, the 1 player that as a rule makes us tick (not so much this season). we made 4 signings 1 sent on loan 2 of the others have been injured, and Ndombele admitting to finding the change pretty hard at the moment.

we have Winks and Sissoko defending our backline pretty poorly, and both not playing the right passes or having an end product.

at the moment everything is frustrating

your’re probably right on the burnout for Feb - May, but then the manager only seemed to use 14-15 different players and when you consider injuries, that probably went down to 12-13 different players.

Again it’s true that Winks/Sissoko aren’t great defensively and yet Dier sits on the bench. Also Rose is so far from the player he was and yet Davies sits on the bench. Sanchez is supposed to be the future when Verts and Toby finally leave and yet he’s the first to-be dropped or replaced at half-time.

I’ve always been a big Poch fan, but he’s made what was a difficult situation with some players much worse than it should be.

 

[spursfan77]

It reminded me of the sherwood days yesterday. Poch still has a lot of fans within the match going supporters though somehow. That’s the feeling I got yesterday at the game anyway. No idea what games they’ve been watching.