The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[IamSpurtacus]

They’ll all make decent prem players but not elite. Their best talent by a mile is Hudson-Odoi.

We need to improve the scouting undoubtedly. We used to sign highly sought after youngsters, what’s happened to that?

And that's my point - they are good enough to inject some energy into the squad. It may not work long term, but at least they have the option - who are our equivalents?

And agree re scouting - we seem to lost the knack of finding the diamonds in the rough, and seem to be reliant on signings made when Baldini was director...

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Chelsea have spent an absolute fortune on their youth set up and it seemingly is only starting to provide a proper return now.
Having said that, I don’t think Abraham, Mount, RLC, the Welsh centre half with the fro and co will be good enough for where they want to be in the future. They’ll all make decent prem players but not elite. Their best talent by a mile is Hudson-Odoi.

We need to improve the scouting undoubtedly. We used to sign highly sought after youngsters, what’s happened to that?

Hmm - I think that's pretty harsh

Direction of travel is a difficult thing to judge - I'd say that any of them, Abraham ion particular, could end up being top class, Champs League players. Not saying they will, but they definitely could.

As for Hudson-Odoi, he looks amazing. That lot would really improve our depth, and some, possibly our first team

 

[Ron Burgundy]

And that's my point - they are good enough to inject some energy into the squad. It may not work long term, but at least they have the option - who are our equivalents?

And agree re scouting - we seem to lost the knack of finding the diamonds in the rough, and seem to be reliant on signings made when Baldini was director...

Totally agree with this. They'd add a bit of spark, even as squad players

 

[SugarRay]

Hmm - I think that's pretty harsh

Direction of travel is a difficult thing to judge - I'd say that any of them, Abraham ion particular, could end up being top class, Champs League players. Not saying they will, but they definitely could.

As for Hudson-Odoi, he looks amazing. That lot would really improve our depth, and some, possibly our first team

I hope Abraham does end up top class, I just don’t think he will. Hudson-Odoi looks to be the one

Mount? I don’t rate him one bit. He’ll drop down the division soon enough imo. RLC missed his window of progression years ago so he’s never going to fulfill the potential now.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Levy lucked out in hiring Pochettino, if he walks away now ( Levy will not sack him and Poch will not kick up a Mourinho style stink that Levy has no choice but to sack him) where do we find the next young dynamic manager with the energy and enthusiasm to reinvigorate the squad.

Basically where do we find the next Pochettino

Levy did not luck out. Levy has targeted managers with a background in motivated talented young squads from the moment he became chairman, Redknapp aside. Some of these have failed but some have been successful. Each successful manager has outdone the last successful manager. Pochettino, with some good timing, has been the most successful, but he was hired in line with an ethos which our owners have been purveying for near 19 years. That’s not luck, it’s method. If anything, Pochettino is the one who was lucky enough to come in at a time that the core players already in place were very high quality, but also at the point that Harry Kane broke through.

 

[Timberwolf]

I hope Abraham does end up top class, I just don’t think he will. Hudson-Odoi looks to be the one

Mount? I don’t rate him one bit. He’ll drop down the division soon enough imo. RLC missed his window of progression years ago so he’s never going to fulfill the potential now.

Granted it's all opinion, but I still think it's a bit too early to judge some of these players. Players peak and develop in fits and spurts so I think it would be mad to write off Mount so quickly. He's only 20 so is bound to be a bit inconsistent, but has had a really impressive start in the top division. He might not be the next Lampard, but why are you so sure he'll drop off?

As for RLC - he looked Chelsea's best player at the tail end of last season and is so talented, far more so than the likes of Barkley. I questions his mentality a bit, but if he believes in himself and his injury doesn't set him back, I think he could be a late bloomer and do very well indeed.

Haven't seen enough of Hudson-Odoi to judge tbh, and think the jury is still out on Abraham.

 

[Timberwolf]

All joking aside Poch hasn’t done nearly enough with all the talent he has had at his disposal and can only see things getting worse unless he is sacked. This post from a utd forum is spot on and worth a read View attachment 56825

I've been critical of Poch recently but I don't buy this. Obviously Kane had a huge impact but Poch brought a sense of unity, built the best defence in the league, brought a ferocious, pressing game, and improved countless other players who were fading under AVB/Sherwood.

To act like it was 50% Kane does Poch a real disservice IMO.

For the lack of all of the above qualities in our current side, I now place the blame on Poch for the exact same reasons I lauded him before. By Squishy's logic half the reason we're now shit is also down to Kane which is patently untrue.

 

[jondy1]

I've been critical of Poch recently but I don't buy this. Obviously Kane had a huge impact but Poch brought a sense of unity, built the best defence in the league, brought a ferocious, pressing game, and improved countless other players who were fading under AVB/Sherwood.

To act like it was 50% Kane does Poch a real disservice IMO.

For the lack of all of the above qualities in our current side, I now place the blame on Poch for the exact same reasons I lauded him before. By Squishy's logic half the reason we're now shit is also down to Kane which is patently untrue.

Let’s be clear Poch had been good for spurs raising their profile with his infectious personality and keeping the fans onboard with decent results but I remember plenty of criticism on here about the high line. Harry was on fire for a few seasons and I honestly believe his form was worthy of a title win. My concerns with Poch are he never had the tactical nous to turn things around when things wasn’t going right . We have all moaned at Poch for his subtitutions and team selections one recent example playing Kane in the final when not match fit and dropping Moura. I remember being critical of Poch on here after the Chelsea defeat in feb I sat 10 yd’s from him and he just stood there with his arms folded looking lost. I am also concerned about the loss of league form from around feb and not sure he has any ideas how to arrest the slide. And I am not concerned about comments that so and so are doing bad as well all I am concerned about is how spurs are doing.i am fed up with the excuses he keeps trotting out the latest that Lloris injury affected the team, bullshit what affected the team was finding themselves a goal down to a howler and him not being able to motivate the team mentally or tactically to get back in the game. I am also fed up with people continually saying it’s all the players fault it’s not Poch, rubbish he is paid £8 million a year to manage these players if he can’t do it then leave.

 

[IamSpurtacus]

I do wonder where we would have been today if not for Kane. Considering our record of buying strikers recently...

Interesting article - confirms the fear that we're worse without him than with...

Tottenham Hotspur's Premier League record without Harry Kane

Following the news that Harry Kane faces a month out injured, Sports Mole looks at how Tottenham Hotspur have previously fared without the striker.

www.sportsmole.co.uk

Thing is - that's true for for most teams where the squad is thinnish and you have few world class players

look at Hazard at Chelsea, Ronaldo at Madrid...What will happen when Messi retires? Not sure that's unique to spurs

 

[Lighty64]

I am hoping the Brighton result was just shock from the Bayern game.

We played very well 1st half against Bayern and 2nd half every time they shot they scored, it was a freak result

I watched Brighton when they played Newcastle away, and it was a totally different team to last season. we had just come off a week where we beat Southampton with 10 men for 60 minutes. we then faced one of the top teams in Europe and was on the end of a thrashing due to the whole back 4 making errors, and their protection in Winks who might as well of worn a red shirt.

so we turn up at Brighton, and within 3 minutes our keeper not only hands them a goal from a cross but had what looked a very nasty injury. Not saying that affected the players, but I bet there were quite a few players out there that had their mind on how Lloris was. with falling behind so quickly, and Brighton pressing us like hell, the end result was due to Brighton playing out of their skins, and would have given any team on its day that day, under those circumstances a hard game.

you also got to understand Brighton also had a weeks rest compared to most of our lot playing twice and suffered the result from hell due to as you say every shot looked or was a goal

 

[Lighty64]

I honestly don't think you can write that off as a freak result given the rest of the results recently

our away results yes, but in general, our home results bar Newcastle and Wet Spam last season have been good

 

[Lighty64]

Chelsea have spent an absolute fortune on their youth set up and it seemingly is only starting to provide a proper return now.
Having said that, I don’t think Abraham, Mount, RLC, the Welsh centre half with the fro and co will be good enough for where they want to be in the future. They’ll all make decent prem players but not elite. Their best talent by a mile is Hudson-Odoi.

We need to improve the scouting undoubtedly. We used to sign highly sought after youngsters, what’s happened to that?

you have Chelsea and City paying silly wages to get them. some of their youth players earn more than most teams 1st XI

 

[Scott Spur]

Levy did not luck out. Levy has targeted managers with a background in motivated talented young squads from the moment he became chairman, Redknapp aside. Some of these have failed but some have been successful. Each successful manager has outdone the last successful manager. Pochettino, with some good timing, has been the most successful, but he was hired in line with an ethos which our owners have been purveying for near 19 years. That’s not luck, it’s method. If anything, Pochettino is the one who was lucky enough to come in at a time that the core players already in place were very high quality, but also at the point that Harry Kane broke through.

Thanks Daniel

 

[nasescoba1985]

I watched Brighton when they played Newcastle away, and it was a totally different team to last season. we had just come off a week where we beat Southampton with 10 men for 60 minutes. we then faced one of the top teams in Europe and was on the end of a thrashing due to the whole back 4 making errors, and their protection in Winks who might as well of worn a red shirt.

so we turn up at Brighton, and within 3 minutes our keeper not only hands them a goal from a cross but had what looked a very nasty injury. Not saying that affected the players, but I bet there were quite a few players out there that had their mind on how Lloris was. with falling behind so quickly, and Brighton pressing us like hell, the end result was due to Brighton playing out of their skins, and would have given any team on its day that day, under those circumstances a hard game.

you also got to understand Brighton also had a weeks rest compared to most of our lot playing twice and suffered the result from hell due to as you say every shot looked or was a goal

Mate are you really trying to see positives out of that pathetic result ? I couldn’t careless how good Brighton played, we should never in a million years be getting thrashed and outplayed by Brighton. Yes of course big teams lose to the smaller teams every now and then. We are certainly not immune to that even in seasons where we were awesome, but the manner of the defeat and performance was beyond pathetic. We got totally outrun and outplayed by shitty Brighton. There is honestly nothing anyone can say that will compensate for that. It was a fucking embarrassment.

 

[Lighty64]

Mate are you really trying to see positives out of that pathetic result ? I couldn’t careless how good Brighton played, we should never in a million years be getting thrashed and outplayed by Brighton. Yes of course big teams lose to the smaller teams every now and then. We are certainly not immune to that even in seasons where we were awesome, but the manner of the defeat and performance was beyond pathetic. We got totally outrun and outplayed by shitty Brighton. There is honestly nothing anyone can say that will compensate for that. It was a fucking embarrassment.

not at all, there weren't any positives, but I can see reasons that fucked us before we had a chance to settle. if you don't think seeing your mate carried off on a stretcher with a mask on and in a lot of pain doesn't get you down after conceding a shit goal after the midweek result, then your not human.

they aren't shitty Brighton, they are a PL team

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Levy did not luck out. Levy has targeted managers with a background in motivated talented young squads from the moment he became chairman, Redknapp aside. Some of these have failed but some have been successful. Each successful manager has outdone the last successful manager. Pochettino, with some good timing, has been the most successful, but he was hired in line with an ethos which our owners have been purveying for near 19 years. That’s not luck, it’s method. If anything, Pochettino is the one who was lucky enough to come in at a time that the core players already in place were very high quality, but also at the point that Harry Kane broke through.

If Levy has been targeting these so called motivational managers he hasn't been to good at it has he. we haven't one a thing . I agree Poch has probably been the best but even he can't win anything in nearly six years and with what "some" people say is our best squad ever. If it's not Levy and it's not Poch or his predecessors and it's not the players where does the blame for our lack of success lay?

 

[sausage]

If Levy has been targeting these so called motivational managers he hasn't been to good at it has he. we haven't one a thing . I agree Poch has probably been the best but even he can't win anything in nearly six years and with what "some" people say is our best squad ever. If it's not Levy and it's not Poch or his predecessors and it's not the players where does the blame for our lack of success lay?

Technically, we have (2008 League Cup).

I believe we are where we are through circumstance. Lucky that Soldado and co were so crap that AVB was binned off - lucky that Sherwood was so desperate to prove a point that he shoved "his" young players into the first team, culminating in the proper surfacing of Kane. Lucky that Kaboul and Ade (based on what we were told at the time) started been a bunch of peens, and lucky that for once we had a manager who chose the up-and-comers over the mercenaries (resulting in the core 'young' team).

All that is good is not down to Pochettino; it's all a case of several events lining up nicely to result in the foundation of a good team, and then equally balancing the bad things down to a series of unfortunate events.

We can also balance our luck that out of the last 5 seasons, at least 3 of them we benefitted from other "top 4" teams having seriously off season that help our final points tally look better than it was. Last season, for example, we probably should have finished 6th at best.

Our lack of success is down to bad luck - how many of the league's winners this decade have been anything but financially doped teams? We essentially have had our best team at the wrong time.

 

[Fidget]

What ?

He sayin Watford is de common folk

 

[Fidget]

All joking aside Poch hasn’t done nearly enough with all the talent he has had at his disposal and can only see things getting worse unless he is sacked. This post from a utd forum is spot on and worth a read View attachment 56825
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If Levy has been targeting these so called motivational managers he hasn't been to good at it has he. we haven't one a thing . I agree Poch has probably been the best but even he can't win anything in nearly six years and with what "some" people say is our best squad ever. If it's not Levy and it's not Poch or his predecessors and it's not the players where does the blame for our lack of success lay?

Just a load of reasons combined. No particular thing is to blame but we all know where we’ve fallen short and it’s a team responsibility. However turning over and giving up is down to the manager and the team on the pitch on whatever particular day.

 

[glacierSpurs]

I can only acknowledge the greatness Poch has given us in his time for us so far - attacking prowess in his early tenure, high intensity pressing, water-tight defence, unity spirit, CL finals etc.

But for those to keep using the above to justify his poor run of games stretching from last year is actually an insult to the very man they are backing. Nobody is gonna rewrite his history. But if things get worse, no point harping on these history as it will only be Poch himself rewriting it.

Also, it is sad fans are rather discounting the length Levy has brought us to this point of our club development than acknowledging him by constantly whipping him that he has not backed Poch enough. Were there not reports that Poch himself was declining opportunities to sign players in our last two windows? Whatever it is, the real reason we will never know ever, it takes two hands to clap.