The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[Chimbo1]

Apparently a couple of UTD ITK’s are saying Poch to UTD is a distinct possibility! Anyone know anything on this? Heard from a UTD supporting mate today, probably bullshit

 

[Shadydan]

Apparently a couple of UTD ITK’s are saying Poch to UTD is a distinct possibility! Anyone know anything on this? Heard from a UTD supporting mate today, probably bullshit

An ITK saying something is a distinct possibility isn't an ITK

 

[worcestersauce]

Footy insider probably BS but anyway:

Tottenham news: Rarely-seen quartet key to planned reshuffle

Four rarely-seen Tottenham players are set for big roles as Mauricio Pochettino plans to reshuffle his pack after international break

www.footballinsider247.com

I posted somewhere about a week ago that's what we should do, they are the future so we should get them in the side and build from there, they couldn't do much worse and the odds of getting CL are lengthening by the week anyway. I guess we'll soon know if it's right or not.

 

[dagraham]

Apparently a couple of UTD ITK’s are saying Poch to UTD is a distinct possibility! Anyone know anything on this? Heard from a UTD supporting mate today, probably bullshit

I don’t think you need to be ITK to come to the conclusion that it’s a possibility.

 

[juste5boys]

My 9 year old was told by a school friend on Friday that Poch is going to utd and we are getting Leicester's manager (he couldn't remember his name) guessing he isn't ITK though ?

 

[danielneeds]

Don’t buy it. Harry knew his worth when, off the back of finishing with 30 league goals, about to turn 25, and about to captain England at the World Cup, he signed a six year deal.

Also, what motivated Leicester players to the title? Leicester certainly didn’t (and still don’t) pay as much as us.

Leicester’s players had a one in a million shot presented to them, and they took it, at our expense. The point is that most of these players almost got over the line then, and then the season after, and then the CL final last year. There’s only so many times you can go to the same well.

Maybe saying money is too simplistic, but the fact that Liverpool’s squad is better remunerated certainly doesn’t hinder Klopp. It’s a combination off factors that got us here. Players paid under what was their market rate, too many near misses, asking the same squad to go again too many times. It’s all lead to a perfect storm.

 

[Lighty64]

I’m not buying this line anymore.
Our players have had decent pay rises recently. They are no longer ‘paupers’ in the current climate

you do know that Rose, Toby, Jan, and Eriksen haven't signed a new contract since we were at the old lane

 

[srups34]

Apparently a couple of UTD ITK’s are saying Poch to UTD is a distinct possibility! Anyone know anything on this? Heard from a UTD supporting mate today, probably bullshit

Looks like he is off to UTD ?

 

[wadewill]

Clue to what motivated them: Liverpool have a far larger wage bill than us.

Players being motivated in a European cup final by money and not the glory, biggest load of bollox ever

 

[Mr Pink]

Don’t buy it. Harry knew his worth when, off the back of finishing with 30 league goals, about to turn 25, and about to captain England at the World Cup, he signed a six year deal.

Also, what motivated Leicester players to the title? Leicester certainly didn’t (and still don’t) pay as much as us.

Players being motivated in a European cup final by money and not the glory, biggest load of bollox ever

Totally agree. They're all earning millions anyway, yes long term players want to make the maximum but in the moment of a CL final, in particular, their pay packet isn't what's motivating the vast majority of them - its the occasion with the whole world watching.

 

[danielneeds]

Players being motivated in a European cup final by money and not the glory, biggest load of bollox ever

That wasn’t the point. I was replying to someone asking what helped them get over the disappointment of losing to Real and get back to the final.

 

[carmeldevil]

Apparently a couple of UTD ITK’s are saying Poch to UTD is a distinct possibility! Anyone know anything on this? Heard from a UTD supporting mate today, probably bullshit

This your UTD supporting mate? (Everyone but this fella knows Poch doesn't have an agent)

 

[mattyspurs]

you do know that Rose, Toby, Jan, and Eriksen haven't signed a new contract since we were at the old lane

I do. That’s their choice. They could have been very well paid for some time but chose not to.

 

[DCSPUR]

This isn’t a go at you dude, but I just don’t get this ‘unmotivated.’ line that I see getting trotted out.

Liverpool who I detest, lost the CL final. They regrouped, bought a couple of players, yes Allison cost a lot but still, only a couple, then went on to push City all the way in the PL and went one further in the CL They were not ‘unmotivated’

Who motivated them? Klopp? Themselves?

We lost the CL final,got in 3 targets Poch wanted, yet we’ve gone backwards. Why is this? How has this happened?

I just don’t get it

Fabino, Keita for a 100 million upgrade to midfield + a world record fee for a goalkeeper + additional attacking prem league ready depth in Shaqiri on the back of a world record fee for a central defender.

That is how they kicked up another level after their CL defeat.

With top wages being paid.

The beginning of our season after the CL sees several stalwarts getting ready to leave on a free, injuries ravaging other core players and the lack of investment catching up.

Probably the fairest take is that Poch has done a good job for several years.
Levy probably recognizes he was overly cautious (Barkley) and occasionally a bit too clever (Grealish) which means that there is a big turn over and transition to come. Poch deserves to lead the change that is coming.

 

[allatsea]

This your UTD supporting mate? (Everyone but this fella knows Poch doesn't have an agent)

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Yep just the one slight problem with this "ITK". Poch doesn't have an agent. He does his own negotiating.

 

[slartibartfast]

Totally agree. They're all earning millions anyway, yes long term players want to make the maximum but in the moment of a CL final, in particular, their pay packet isn't what's motivating the vast majority of them - its the occasion with the whole world watching.

Agree. Amused me watching Chelsea when they downed tools in the league but come CL were still getting results.
Couldnt beat an egg in the league but can get out of a cl group. Hmmm lol?

 

[rez9000]

I used to think the same thing about players and their salaries. It seems like a very obvious equation.

But then I went on a management course as part of my job and we looked at a study that showed that when it comes to money as a motivating factor, it's only the quest for more money that motivates us in our jobs and not the money we're currently receiving (except for a short period when we first get a bump in pay). Very soon after, whatever our current salary is, it stops being a motivating factor.

And it also showed that the quest for more money isn't the biggest motivator, either. A sense of being valued is more important, apparently.

Just to note, I'm not making any suggestions re Poch's valuing of players - I'm speaking strictly in terms of what studies of working life suggest.

Interesting rating there @Acid - why ‘Optimistic’? ?

 

[tttcowan]

This isn’t a go at you dude, but I just don’t get this ‘unmotivated.’ line that I see getting trotted out.

Liverpool who I detest, lost the CL final. They regrouped, bought a couple of players, yes Allison cost a lot but still, only a couple, then went on to push City all the way in the PL and went one further in the CL They were not ‘unmotivated’

Who motivated them? Klopp? Themselves?

We lost the CL final,got in 3 targets Poch wanted, yet we’ve gone backwards. Why is this? How has this happened?

I just don’t get it

To play devils advocate a bit here, as I do get your points, but the Liverpool CL final loss came at a completely different time for that group of players. They'd only been properly good for that one season at that point, it showed that the project was working if anything.

When we lost that CL final, that group of players and Poch's Tottenham career were at a completely different point. We'd lost 2 stupid FA cup semis we should of won, lost a league cup final, didn't catch up Leicester, didn't catch up Chelsea. We'd already had our time in the sun when we'd been pretty much the best team in England for 2 seasons and won nothing.

I don't think it's fair to compare really.

Personally, I really didn't take that CL final loss well, worse than lasagne gate even... It "felt" like that was our last chance to win something with that group. I'm largely over what's happening now, I dealt with it in the summer. I'm just not surprised the players and Poch haven't been able to pick themselves up again. And the reasons are as much about the previous times we've failed to go the distance and the fact it's clear the time for this group of players at spurs is numbered.

 

[daveduvet]

This your UTD supporting mate? (Everyone but this fella knows Poch doesn't have an agent)

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Sounds like Trump

 

[Guernman]

The truth is Liverpool have been improving over the last two seasons and we have been consistently getting worse. We were extremely lucky to get to the CL final, Liverpool would have been unlucky not to. Our run papered over some serious cracks - while during Poch's first few years we were improving on every single metric, for two seasons now every element of our game has been declining. We scraped through the group stage by some miracle, we were wonderful against Dortmund but City gifted us a chance with their first leg selection, and Moura produced magic against Ajax when they relaxed in the second half of the second leg, having completely dominated us up until that point home and away. Meanwhile in the league, Liverpool were pushing City all the way, whereas we were showing relegation form.

I don't know what has gone wrong or how it can be changed. Poch's success was always based around the energy of youth and the enthusiasm to believe in his high intensity (and physically demanding) philosophy. As this group of players are now much older and less enthused we either need a new manager or a fresh young rebuild of players. Since the problematic players mostly don't want to be here, I would prefer the latter. Provided Poch shows he still wants to be here.

Liverpool's trajectory crossed ours a few years ago and was always heading up as we declined. While Poch and the players knew that the CL final was our one last chance with this team (deep down they all know we aren't going to be challenging for the league while we can't expect another miracle run to the CL final), whereas with Liverpool their players knew that their second CL final in a row was symptomatic of their genuine progress, and now they will push on a win the league this year IMO. I suspect that the disappointment of losing the final, especially in the way that we did, has simply destroyed the positive energy in this group. Especially as they all know it was a chance in a million.

There was much talk of Poch's new age approach to the final, the walking on coals, the positive energy from the universe. I suspect that the emphasis on this rather than tactics, the choice of Kane over Moura, the formation and the performance and result has created further friction in this group. Liverpool may well go on to dominate for the next few years, we on the other hand need to restart from scratch. Pochettino has shown he is capable of wonderful things, but only with young players who completely believe in his message.