The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[The Doc]

I’m not saying I agree with everything Pochettino has done lately but he does see the players in training day in day out and would have a better knowledge of these young players and if they are ready for first team action

Also asking a lot to throw in players who haven't even played at Championship level on loan, and expect them to thrive. Possible that they will, but more likely it will destroy them. Mason, for example, had played loads on loan, as had Kane. Same for Rose, Walker, etc going back even further.

 

[allatsea]

If Poch is so interested in building a new young hungry team, why give Sissoko a new 4 year contract and play him ahead of KWP?

Because Sissoko puts in shift every single game for the team and the Manager ? He isn't the greatest technically but he is invaluable to the team.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

Because Sissoko puts in shift every single game for the team and the Manager ? He isn't the greatest technically but he is invaluable to the team.

Exactly...while there can be faults leveled at Sissoko, work ethic and hunger certainly aren't among them. In fact, his transformation from being our worst player a couple years ago to possibly our best last year is a testament to that.

 

[PeeLee]

Maybe Pochettino doesn’t/didn’t rate the mentioned players, they have hardly set the world alight here or anywhere else.
If Pochettino got sacked now surely the new manager would inherit the same problems??
Imo Pochettino has earned enough credit to built a new young team and won’t have the same problem of shifting players out as he did last summer as Eriksen, Toby, Vertonghen are all out of contract, Rose and Wanyama we have 1 year left IIRC

That's the thing, isn't it? Young players are played at Tottenham, some go out on loan for a while, or some later get transferred to other clubs, while other youngsters are released and wished well. It's very rare that Spurs sells players of whatever age, that aren't good players to some degree and can earn a decent living and get rather more games elsewhere. That's why I've always disliked disrespectful expressions like 'clearing out deadwood' and 'getting rid of the rubbish' or the even lazier and more glib 'get rid'. Even the odd 'bad boy' can reform himself outside the club and get to rebuilding a different career outside football.

If young players moved on from Spurs, and named above, do well at other clubs then good on them. That was the idea. After all, Spurs usually got money or a later player-transfer or some goodwill out of a deal satisfactory to all parties. And the romance of football in our country is filled with examples of 'cast-off' young players later getting their revenge on their original club in some cup-tie and being a hero for fans of the lesser club. Similarly young players transferred into Spurs have very rarely been of little quality, just sometimes not quite good enough. While young players on the books at Spurs since childhood do advance within the club, get international call-ups for various countries and also use them to 'appear in the shop window'.

Why has KWP not played more in the first team in his 'three seasons'? Well, one of those seasons is only a few weeks old, months if you want to include pre-season. Didn't KWP play in pre-season matches? He did, you know. And last season Trippier was selected at right back usually, sometimes it was Aurier, and Trippier was a regular the season before that in what was also a run-up for him to a fine World Cup campaign. KWP has played this season but also got injured, as was Foyth and Aurier, and so unavailable. KWP has done well for Spurs in Premier League and FA Cup matches, and it'll be good to see even more of him.

 

[Stamford]

I don’t get this rebuild narrative. What about the players poch already brought in.

It's a narrative of his own making. It's no bigger a rebuild than anywhere else except the top two, it's just an excuse.

 

[Primativ]

People that are saying Poch should be given the chance to rebuild need to realise that can only happen if we maintain our recent league positioning whilst doing so. We've struggled to pull the very few players Poch will accept as is, no CL will hamper that even further. No way can we start this project again, wait another 5 years just to rinse and repeat.

So essentially Poch is saying he can only work with young players. That makes him quite a limited manager doesn’t it. No wonder he’s never won anything.

I don’t see how anyone can seriously support Poch being given the chance to rebuild considering what we’ve seen since August 2018. In any job your recent performance is what matters the most. Particularly in sports. This ain’t just a bad run of games, it’s a huge decline, if we had exited the CL last season at the group stages which really we should have done, (thanks Inter), it would look even more horrific.

 

[DCSPUR]

interesting, I did a little social media wandering to see what the consensus was in other parts about our latest stumbles. Non- scientific of course but surprised to note that here at SC we have the largest % of negative Poch reactions when compared to other outlets/ comment threads and the like. I do like SC but it did get me thinking why this would be the case and why we would have that much more of a negative Poch perspective than so many other Spurs virtual watering holes.

 

[Primativ]

It's a narrative of his own making. It's no bigger a rebuild than anywhere else except the top two, it's just an excuse.

It is just an excuse. It’s amazing how desperate Poch sounds at the minute. He’s gone from saying he can’t wait for the summer window to close to now he can’t wait for the January window to open. Lol.

He’s gone from threatening to leave constantly and moaning about Levy to saying he wants to be here for five more years and Levy is his friend. He seems out of his depth and I wonder if his overly emotional nature is a weakness as manager rather than a strength.

 

[dondo]

So essentially Poch is saying he can only work with young players. That makes him quite a limited manager doesn’t it. No wonder he’s never won anything.

I don’t see how anyone can seriously support Poch being given the chance to rebuild considering what we’ve seen since August 2018. In any job your recent performance is what matters the most. Particularly in sports. This ain’t just a bad run of games, it’s a huge decline, if we had exited the CL last season at the group stages which really we should have done, (thanks Inter), it would look even more horrific.

Because I’ve seen 2 tittle challenges under Pochettino and a grand total of zero for any other manager in 30 odd years of supporting spurs and on a shoe string budged.
Be careful what you wish for, if Pochettino does go it won’t be a top tier manager replacing him, it will be another up and coming guy like Howe imo

 

[stonebrow]

interesting, I did a little social media wandering to see what the consensus was in other parts about our latest stumbles. Non- scientific of course but surprised to note that here at SC we have the largest % of negative Poch reactions when compared to other outlets/ comment threads and the like. I do like SC but it did get me thinking why this would be the case and why we would have that much more of a negative Poch perspective than so many other Spurs virtual watering holes.

We are all *****!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

interesting, I did a little social media wandering to see what the consensus was in other parts about our latest stumbles. Non- scientific of course but surprised to note that here at SC we have the largest % of negative Poch reactions when compared to other outlets/ comment threads and the like. I do like SC but it did get me thinking why this would be the case and why we would have that much more of a negative Poch perspective than so many other Spurs virtual watering holes.

Because this is where all the old 606 posters ended up

 

[thecook]

interesting, I did a little social media wandering to see what the consensus was in other parts about our latest stumbles. Non- scientific of course but surprised to note that here at SC we have the largest % of negative Poch reactions when compared to other outlets/ comment threads and the like. I do like SC but it did get me thinking why this would be the case and why we would have that much more of a negative Poch perspective than so many other Spurs virtual watering holes.

What are our membership numbers compared to the other places?

 

[mike_l]

Sacking Pochettino and appointing a new man doesn’t guarantee top 4 either.
Whoever the manager is they will have done bloody well to get this squad a top 4 finish

The greatest trick Poch has ever pulled is convincing the fans that getting in the top 4 is some kind of miracle. The really impressive thing is Levy managing to assemble it with minimal net spend and a strict wage budget.

That's not criticism of Poch btw, but he's hardly managed Leicester to the title.

 

[14/04/91]

If Poch is so interested in building a new young hungry team, why give Sissoko a new 4 year contract and play him ahead of KWP?

When asked about Sissoko’s contract, his reply intimated that it was a club decision rather than his.
KWP may not be totally over the injury sustained earlier in the season, or he may be struggling in training.
Or Poch may feel throwing him into a struggling team won’t help him in the long term. Let’s face it KWP enhanced his reputation massively over the last week, in the eyes of most fans at least.

 

[dudu]

The greatest trick Poch has ever pulled is convincing the fans that getting in the top 4 is some kind of miracle. The really impressive thing is Levy managing to assemble it with minimal net spend and a strict wage budget.

That's not criticism of Poch btw, but he's hardly managed Leicester to the title.

Consistently being there is not some kind of miracle, but it is hugely impressive while managing a tight budget and a stadium move. The year we moved to Wembley, not a huge amount of our own fans would have been that surprised if we struggled to make the top 4.

 

[Kingellesar]

The next two league games probably aren't going to show us much at all. Watford....everyone is beating Watford at the moment and Liverpool, well they look unbeatable in the league and although we normally give them a good game up there, we don't stand much of a chance.

It's the 3 away games following Liverpool that is the real test, Everton, West Ham and United, we somehow need to regain our away form and those 3 games are must wins, I believe we won all 3 of those last season.

Either way, I suspect we will hammer Watford then be brought back down to earth and go into another slump, much like the Palace game.

 

[Gassin's finest]

The next two league games probably aren't going to show us much at all. Watford....everyone is beating Watford at the moment and Liverpool, well they look unbeatable in the league and although we normally give them a good game up there, we don't stand much of a chance.

It's the 3 away games following Liverpool that is the real test, Everton, West Ham and United, we somehow need to regain our away form and those 3 games are must wins, I believe we won all 3 of those last season.

Either way, I suspect we will hammer Watford then be brought back down to earth and go into another slump, much like the Palace game.

Oh why, why would you do that??

 

[shelfboy68]

The next two league games probably aren't going to show us much at all. Watford....everyone is beating Watford at the moment and Liverpool, well they look unbeatable in the league and although we normally give them a good game up there, we don't stand much of a chance.

It's the 3 away games following Liverpool that is the real test, Everton, West Ham and United, we somehow need to regain our away form and those 3 games are must wins, I believe we won all 3 of those last season.

Either way, I suspect we will hammer Watford then be brought back down to earth and go into another slump, much like the Palace game.

You say everyone is beating Watford but at the time we played Newcastle and Brighton a similar message was being relayed, the Liverpool game yes I accept a battering there and Everton along with west ham will be difficult with the latter always ready to spoil our parade especially now as we are so shit.

 

[dondo]

The greatest trick Poch has ever pulled is convincing the fans that getting in the top 4 is some kind of miracle. The really impressive thing is Levy managing to assemble it with minimal net spend and a strict wage budget.

That's not criticism of Poch btw, but he's hardly managed Leicester to the title.

The greatest trick Poch has ever pulled is convincing the fans that getting in the top 4 is some kind of miracle. The really impressive thing is Levy managing to assemble it with minimal net spend and a strict wage budget.

That's not criticism of Poch btw, but he's hardly managed Leicester to the title.

Never said it was a miracle but it’s a good achievement for a club like us and better than not qualifying surely??
We have qualified 4 times in about 25 years since the champions league was invented and 3 of those times have been under Pochettino.
You say the impressive thing is Levy “doing it on a tight budget and wage structure”. Any chairman can run and tight ship and not spend much money surely Pochettino should get the credit for the relative success on the pitch?

 

[Coco-1101]

I don’t get this rebuild narrative. What about the players poch already brought in. Sanchez, foyth and moura. They are barely getting any game time. We still have lo celso and sessegnon to come in plus ndombele is settling in quite nicely. The rebuild has already begun they just need game time. Albeit we need a new RB and possibly a LB if rose head really isn’t in it anymore.

Maybe he is repeating his first season where he played the old guards, the one not responding to his ways, for some time and when it was clear that they can't contribute and all of them were binned and the younger players were used. Who know this might repeat this time too and some of the senior players will be ditched and some of the voices from agents might be not good ones but i am happy. I don't care what the info the players agent provides as the players are mainly responsible too.