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DCSPUR

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This is also very relevant - why? Because Winks is the present and future of this club and, despite some mistakes against Bayern has been one of the few to show the intensity needed. This kid is a future captain of our club 100% - wouldn't happen but I'd make him captain now to be honest.

 

yiddopaul

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I kind of 'flip-flop' back and fourth re. Poch. I thought, well, it's all down to him. But now, the more I think about the want-away players, the more I feel sorry for Poch. It appears that certain players (influential players) are royally screwing Poch over. He was the making of them, they have downed tools and don't give a shit any more. They should be ashamed of themselves, over privileged tossers. We have an easily top 4 squad. I hope Poch is given time to get rid of the poison that is infecting our team, January can't come quick enough. I would rather play some youngsters for the 2nd half of the season, finish outside the top six, and let Poch build.

When he came here 5 years ago, we had poison in our team, he got rid. Things got better. I now say, lets get behind him, show him he's loved. It's about time the players got fired/dropped for failure rather than the manager. We know he's one of the best in the business, it's not his fault the players are being dicks. He absolutely deserves this opportunity to re-build. I think Levy's 100% behind him, why else would he break our transfer record TWICE in one window. COYS!
 

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and that problem is prima dona players who need to get their act together quickly.
Not so sure about that, against Brighton our players looked physically and mentally exhausted, even Sissoko, who is one of the naturally fittest players in the league and also includes Son, who comes across as one of the most humble players in football.
 

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I remember Wenger talking about how the players now hold the power (think the example at the time was Payet) and I think a lot of our issues are an unwillingness to take a cheaper bid for a player who doesn't want to be here - hopefully we learn from this.

My preference would be to keep Poch, he uses the youth players more and whilst we perhaps don't do as well we at least look like we have a plan we are trying to execute. This then gives him the time to use the next two windows to decent effect in plugging some gaps where kids are perhaps no longer up to it.

Losing games but blooding Sanchez, Foyth, KWP, Skipp etc would get me more excited then trying to get the last few drops of "giveashit" out of Eriksen, Dele, Toby etc.

Stop reading at losing games
 

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I kind of 'flip-flop' back and fourth re. Poch. I thought, well, it's all down to him. But now, the more I think about the want-away players, the more I feel sorry for Poch. It appears that certain players (influential players) are royally screwing Poch over. He was the making of them, they have downed tools and don't give a shit any more. They should be ashamed of themselves, over privileged tossers. We have an easily top 4 squad. I hope Poch is given time to get rid of the poison that is infecting our team, January can't come quick enough. I would rather play some youngsters for the 2nd half of the season, finish outside the top six, and let Poch build.

When he came here 5 years ago, we had poison in our team, he got rid. Things got better. I now say, lets get behind him, show him he's loved. It's about time the players got fired/dropped for failure rather than the manager. We know he's one of the best in the business, it's not his fault the players are being dicks. He absolutely deserves this opportunity to re-build. I think Levy's 100% behind him, why else would he break our transfer record TWICE in one window. COYS!
I hear what you're saying but it's down to him to stop the rot. If he's not going to be sacked then he needs to bench the group that isn't playing for him and move forward with a team that will give it their all.
 

LeParisien

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Still. He takes out most money of all chairmen doesn't he? That sticks in people's eyes.
Is there a chairman who’s done a better job? He’s right up there so it shouldn’t surprise anyone.

Multimillionaire footballers upset their boss earns more - cry me a river sweethearts!
 

LeParisien

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I do not want a situation like we had at Chelsea where the players decide what’s going on. Train, play, win football matches. Extreme player power leads to tempestuous displays of vested interest. Management should decide what’s in the interests of the group.
 

Spurzinho

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I don't think its that strange. They may just realise that we don't want to hear platitudes or fake positivity right now. Its definitely not a good idea to antagonise the fanbase at a time like this. Maybe they want to stay out of the way of the NFL game and not draw focus. Or, maybe people are right and there is something going on behind the scenes. Nothing would surprise me.
 

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This is also very relevant - why? Because Winks is the present and future of this club and, despite some mistakes against Bayern has been one of the few to show the intensity needed. This kid is a future captain of our club 100% - wouldn't happen but I'd make him captain now to be honest.


I really want you to be correct, but in all honesty I cannot see the quality that you can in Winks. He is ok, but seems to me that he is a central midfielder in a team that doesn't play with them. He isn't defensively good enough or attacking enough.

Having said that, I didn't rate Carrick so I know that midfield is a bit of a blind spot for me.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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So I understand that for fans who have LOVED Pochettino regardless, it's hard to accept that Pochettino might be at fault.
But this isn't only about a few players who should be benched. This situation stems from something more complex, and part that is that Pochettino hasn't been doing his job well lately. It's not only don't play Eriksen, quit the diamond formation and we're back on track.
 

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I kind of 'flip-flop' back and fourth re. Poch. I thought, well, it's all down to him. But now, the more I think about the want-away players, the more I feel sorry for Poch. It appears that certain players (influential players) are royally screwing Poch over. He was the making of them, they have downed tools and don't give a shit any more. They should be ashamed of themselves, over privileged tossers. We have an easily top 4 squad. I hope Poch is given time to get rid of the poison that is infecting our team, January can't come quick enough. I would rather play some youngsters for the 2nd half of the season, finish outside the top six, and let Poch build.

When he came here 5 years ago, we had poison in our team, he got rid. Things got better. I now say, lets get behind him, show him he's loved. It's about time the players got fired/dropped for failure rather than the manager. We know he's one of the best in the business, it's not his fault the players are being dicks. He absolutely deserves this opportunity to re-build. I think Levy's 100% behind him, why else would he break our transfer record TWICE in one window. COYS!
Really like the sentiment of your post. It represents truth and fairness. But in the world of pure money driven football these high priced ego filled footballers and greedy agents rule.
The consequence will be that Poch will go; it’s just when. There’s no happiness in saying that. I turned my back on football the year Sol walk across to the enemy as it showed what so many of these footballers were becoming. Of course I returned. I’ve experienced the new stadium. Fantastic. But it’s always been about what happens on field. I just don’t feel like supporting the twats representing us at the moment.

Feel gutted for Poch, though I recognise he’s partly at fault for the downfall.
 

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Time for poch to step up and see if he can truly become a world class manager. Players face adversity and there grow. Same for coaches. We need to give them time to improve on their craft as well. We call for loyalty from players and coaches but we throw them under the bus any time they screw up. Im all in with poch. Sell the bad apples and restart.
 

philll

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Ali Gold made a good point, roughly: if we bring someone new they will have to get to know who our best players, what we need in the transfer window etc, where as we have Poch he knows what we need, knows who is leaving and who our best players so half the work is done already. Now I have flip flopped a lot this weekend like I am sure so many have but I want Poch to stay we need stability and a clear out of the old guard, I said it already today lets drop Eriksen as he doesn't look arsed anymore, Toby and Jan look ropey, lets give Sanchez and Tanganga a shot at a centre back partnership.
On the flip side to that first point - a new manager might be better at picking a best team to put out *because* he hasn't been here for 5 years and can look at it objectively. It's obvious from (to pick the most obvious one) Eriksen's performances and demeanour that he shouldn't have been anywhere near the first team this season yet Poch keeps playing him.
 

Rout-Ledge

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It’s hard to know what the right course of action is without being privy to all the behind the scenes info. That’s always the case but even more so with Poch given what he has done for the club up to now.

If there’s a strong feeling amongst committed first XI players (Kane, Son etc.) that his time is up then i’d be inclined to let him go.
 

Kiedis

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I feel for Poch, I really do. He's been going on about the need for some turnover in this squad for at least two seasons, and it's obvious that it's been just as much about getting players out as it's been about getting players in.

And the result now is that the group dynamic that elevated this squad more or less beyond their capabilities isn't there anymore. It's a tough nut to crack.
 
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