The Mauricio Pochettino thread

[sausage]

Still. He takes out most money of all chairmen doesn't he? That sticks in people's eyes.

There's not really enough evidence to say. United and City refused to disclose theirs.

I can't think of any others that aren't simply employees, and that have generated the income we did, or have done the work he has. It's a unique set of circumstances that make it hard to compare to the likes of Kenwright, or the Porn Trio.

 

[JayB]

Guys ffs we don’t need a rebuild. We will sign a replacement for eriksen when the new manager comes in, we will sign replacements for Toby and Jan. Sess will be Rose’s replacement. Or we will sign someone else.

My point is, we have a quality squad. Third best in the league. Yet people are talking about a rebuild just because Poch has lost the players and overseen a terrible decline for over a year.

Watch a new manager come in and this team will fly again. Toby and Jan haven’t become terrible overnight. They are easily good enough to get us top 4 again this season and in the summer we can replace properly.

We’ve gone from everyone thinking we looked really good in the summer and ready to challenge, to everyone saying our squad is crap and we need a rebuild. You’re just ignoring the problem, it’s Poch. You are willing to give the one responsible for us being in this mess more time, where is the sense in that? Completely misguided loyalty. Poch isn’t rebuilding anything at Spurs. We aren’t changing a whole new squad just for his sake. It’s bonkers.

When we get a new manager in this squad will be flying again.

You've forgotten right back and defensive midfield, the two most glaring weaknesses in the squad.

So in other words we need to replace our creative heartbeat, our two first-choice CBs, a right back, and a DM. That's five players, or two more first-team players than we brought in this summer in which most people seem to agree we could hardly have done more. It's also within the realm of possibility that we now need a new goalkeeper as well.

There's a lot of work to be done with the squad. I agree they should be good enough to be challenging for top four, but there's still a lot of work to be done.

 

[BuckeyeSpurs11]

Guys ffs we don’t need a rebuild. We will sign a replacement for eriksen when the new manager comes in, we will sign replacements for Toby and Jan. Sess will be Rose’s replacement. Or we will sign someone else.

My point is, we have a quality squad. Third best in the league. Yet people are talking about a rebuild just because Poch has lost the players and overseen a terrible decline for over a year.

Watch a new manager come in and this team will fly again. Toby and Jan haven’t become terrible overnight. They are easily good enough to get us top 4 again this season and in the summer we can replace properly.

We’ve gone from everyone thinking we looked really good in the summer and ready to challenge, to everyone saying our squad is crap and we need a rebuild. You’re just ignoring the problem, it’s Poch. You are willing to give the one responsible for us being in this mess more time, where is the sense in that? Completely misguided loyalty. Poch isn’t rebuilding anything at Spurs. We aren’t changing a whole new squad just for his sake. It’s bonkers.

When we get a new manager in this squad will be flying again.

How exactly is that not a rebuild? Replacing 4 starters in one year? A new manager?

 

[Thewobbler]

"One long-serving player has complained about the “same old sessions and messages”. But it is also mental, after five years of authoritative controlling management and a relentless schedule, with players also complaining at how few days they are given off. “The place is a regime and they’re sick of him,” one dressing room source said. “It’s his way or nothing, there is no balance. The players don’t get the impression they are trusted at all.”

Pochettino has not lost the dressing room, and the players know what a debt they owe to him. But they just cannot keep playing like they used to. “The players are not revolting against him,” said a source, “but they have been driven so hard, they don’t know if they have got anything left to give.”

If any of this is true then we have big problems.

 

[nicdic]

"One long-serving player has complained about the “same old sessions and messages”. But it is also mental, after five years of authoritative controlling management and a relentless schedule, with players also complaining at how few days they are given off. “The place is a regime and they’re sick of him,” one dressing room source said. “It’s his way or nothing, there is no balance. The players don’t get the impression they are trusted at all.”

Pochettino has not lost the dressing room, and the players know what a debt they owe to him. But they just cannot keep playing like they used to. “The players are not revolting against him,” said a source, “but they have been driven so hard, they don’t know if they have got anything left to give.”

If any of this is true then we have big problems.

and that problem is prima dona players who need to get their act together quickly.

 

[Wadec]

All comes down to one thing for me, pick the players who want to be here.

His performance at the moment is not acceptable, however he has earned the right to correct this. Consistently picking players who are leaving is not correcting anything.

I dont see how it gets turned around as it's never happened before but if Poch is not going to even try then he needs to go.

He needs to be looking at players not on international duty and getting them on side, huge confidence boosts needed for Dele, Lucas, KWP, Sess, Foyth and GLC. We all know that Kane, Son, Winks and Sissoko will put it in he needs to build around that and get a team fighting for him.

If the same team we keep seeing starts against Watford even the most diehard of Poch supporters must start to question if he can turn this around.

 

[Primativ]

How exactly is that not a rebuild? Replacing 4 starters in one year? A new manager?

We need to replace Jan and Toby but it can be done in the summer. In the meantime they are still top CBs, just not under Poch.

We need a new RB and that’s about it. Hardly a rebuild.

 

[Hakkz]

We need to replace Jan and Toby but it can be done in the summer. In the meantime they are still top CBs, just not under Poch.

We need a new RB and that’s about it. Hardly a rebuild.

And a dm. It's pretty much a rebuild. Just semantics.

 

[Yiddo100]

We need to replace Jan and Toby but it can be done in the summer. In the meantime they are still top CBs, just not under Poch.

We need a new RB and that’s about it. Hardly a rebuild.

We need a cb rb lb eriksen replacement possibly a gk and to replace the fringe players who will leave, quite the rebuild

 

[spursfan77]

Guys ffs we don’t need a rebuild. We will sign a replacement for eriksen when the new manager comes in, we will sign replacements for Toby and Jan. Sess will be Rose’s replacement. Or we will sign someone else.

My point is, we have a quality squad. Third best in the league. Yet people are talking about a rebuild just because Poch has lost the players and overseen a terrible decline for over a year.

Watch a new manager come in and this team will fly again. Toby and Jan haven’t become terrible overnight. They are easily good enough to get us top 4 again this season and in the summer we can replace properly.

We’ve gone from everyone thinking we looked really good in the summer and ready to challenge, to everyone saying our squad is crap and we need a rebuild. You’re just ignoring the problem, it’s Poch. You are willing to give the one responsible for us being in this mess more time, where is the sense in that? Completely misguided loyalty. Poch isn’t rebuilding anything at Spurs. We aren’t changing a whole new squad just for his sake. It’s bonkers.

When we get a new manager in this squad will be flying again.

Yep. I’m not buying it that the players are suddenly awful. Before the season started I thought we’d be challenging for the league because we had a good preseason. They’re just fed up of the current coaching team. The Athletic article spells it out in black and white on top of what Trix and ValenciaYid have said to us.

Think back to the Toby/Poch news that JJ gave us that Poch would walk if Toby got a new contract. Who’s to say he wouldn’t sign on again if Poch went, Eriksen too.

 

[spursfan77]

All comes down to one thing for me, pick the players who want to be here.

His performance at the moment is not acceptable, however he has earned the right to correct this. Consistently picking players who are leaving is not correcting anything.

I dont see how it gets turned around as it's never happened before but if Poch is not going to even try then he needs to go.

He needs to be looking at players not on international duty and getting them on side, huge confidence boosts needed for Dele, Lucas, KWP, Sess, Foyth and GLC. We all know that Kane, Son, Winks and Sissoko will put it in he needs to build around that and get a team fighting for him.

If the same team we keep seeing starts against Watford even the most diehard of Poch supporters must start to question if he can turn this around.

That’s assuming there’s enough of them to field a football team. Those Athletic quotes above don’t come across as it being just a handful of players.

 

[tommyt]

I like The Athletic article as it's well rounded.

What I have read too often in this thread are some trying to pinpoint blame on Poch, Levy or some players.

Individually each has contributed, that is without doubt, it's been well reported here, but this shit storm is a culmination of events.

JJ mentioned ages ago that Poch wanted Toby out. I imagine he also wants the others that don't want to be here out.

Levy can't get rid for whatever reason.

Players in no rush to go, but not fully committed to the long term cause anymore.

We are not in a financial position to purchase new players and let established players sit on the bench or the reserves.

Poch is pissed off; it is showing and motivation, moral and cohesiveness slips.

Our strength under Poch has always been the collective.

If we are witnessing the "Re-build", it is fucking painful alright!

 

[Axl Rose]

Crazy how some fans will sacrifice the wellbeing of the club for a guy who hasn’t won any trophies and has flirted with other clubs on a regular basis. And has shat the bed in every big cup game we’ve had. Not to mention the lack of tactical nous and next to no in-game management. People putting the freak CL run down to Poch are deluded also, I think VAR, a Moura hat-trick and a Harry Kane half time team talk had more to do with it. Wake up and smell the coffee guys. Spolier: the coffee smells like the morning after a madras washed down with 10 pints of Carling, whatever floats your boat I guess.

 

[nailsy]

Hmm people want him out ok I get it it’s been a mess for nearly a year.
I’d like him to have a season to rebuild a new team personally he’s earned that in my opinion
This season isn’t over yet either although it doesn’t look good does it?
Let’s see if he’s magic or not

I'm not sure if would only be one season. He seems to have written off this season and it sounds like we'll need about four or five new players next season who will all need time to integrate and get Poch fit. Is Harry going to wait around while we rebuild?

Ali Gold made a good point, roughly: if we bring someone new they will have to get to know who our best players, what we need in the transfer window etc, where as we have Poch he knows what we need, knows who is leaving and who our best players so half the work is done already. Now I have flip flopped a lot this weekend like I am sure so many have but I want Poch to stay we need stability and a clear out of the old guard, I said it already today lets drop Eriksen as he doesn't look arsed anymore, Toby and Jan look ropey, lets give Sanchez and Tanganga a shot at a centre back partnership.

We've got quite a bit of time until the transfer window opens though. Mourinho and Allegri are both out of work and have been to watch us this season so they'll probably have an idea where we need to improve already.

 

[VanZan]

Looks like the highlight of our season was the pre season friendly against Juve. Spursy.

 

[Nerine]

I also posted this in the Team vs Watford thread, but it’s probably more fitting in here:

Absolute basket case of a club at the min.

I’ve no idea who I’d select.

The sad truth is, if we played the same team (our classic lineup) with all the want-away tossers but had a different bloke at the helm, we’d likely see our old Tottenham back. Press, energy, effort, etc.

But then again we’d likely lapse after a week or two and we’d be back here again with a disgruntled squad, unharmonious dressing room, and players trying to prove a point.

The situation seems untenable to me. I don’t necessarily want Poch out, but fucking hell, some of our performances over the last 12 months have been abysmal. We look so laboured, slow, ponderous, neutered, placid, plodding and nervy that you have to question whether 5/6 of our best players became utter cigar fish overnight, or they have simply stopped trying.

My money can only be on the latter.

So... what do we do?

The simplest solution it seems is to have a change of manager, but realistically Poch is the best manager we’ve had for ages, although it may pacify the arseholes and stem the flow.

Problem being is that the majority will be off next summer for a free anyway, and we’ll need to buy new players regardless. Maybe Poch is the man to work with the new players. Who fucking knows.

This is such a multi-faceted situation that has both long and short term implications and intricacies.

Short term, you’d change the manager, longer term that might not be so wise.
The season isn’t over yet, but if we lose against Watford, we may have to come up with a contingency plan. I don’t like the fact the players are seemingly dragging Poch under the bus when he largely elevated us to our current stature, anyway.

 

[Axl Rose]

Looks like the highlight of our season was the pre season friendly against Juve. Spursy.

Thought the Dybala goal tonight was better personally.

 

[bubble07]

It's so frustrating that we are having these infield issues when we got our off field shit together

 

[DCSPUR]

this seems like useful info to me: Paul Kemsley interview:
EDIT: @Archibald&Crooks can you allow this video to be in here (it's not the itk thread and I can't find a link else where + seems relevant). If not i can delete of course. thanks.

 

[wishkah]

Manager over players for me.

Shake the team up, even if we don't offload them in Jan we can bring people in and put the rebels in youth teams.