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Metalhead

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As well as the issues already raised on here, someone mentioned that the scouting network doesn't seem very good, which has to be the case.
 

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Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager :(. May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.
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Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
 

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I have to say that I do. I know he can be a bit 'different' sometimes with his thinking and even maybe underlying agendas, and maybe it's because I want to believe it, but I've got no reason not to.

Said it before, loved Poch and hate all this, but I honestly think he's as much to do with the problem with Enic.

Enic and Levy are not faultless. They've caught up to an extent with wages etc., but are always playing catch-up on the field with player recruitment and contracts, they could do better also, but I do think this immediate situation we are in sits firmly on Poch's doorstep.

I would honestly look forward to the day I have to come on here with my tail between my legs and say 'I was completely wrong about Poch and I was an idiot for being so short-sighted', I would happily do so, so please earmark this post if and when it happens. Nothing would make me happier than to see that future. I just can't right now.

well if Hoddle is right that Poch didnt want anybody I dont know why we tried so hard to sign Grealish and few others that summer.
 

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Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager :(. May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.
Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
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He's done a great job. My one worry would be that he struggled when he got the Burnley gig so it may that he operates most effectively within the conditions at Bournemouth.
 

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Sadly I think I agree. Once players start looking like they’ve lost belief and hunger and the manager is publicly saying the dressing room has “different agendas” etc then I can’t think of many instances ( either at Spurs or other clubs) where the situation has been turned round.

The sad thing is, even though I had hope, I’d always had the feeling in the back of my mind that once we’d missed the opportunities to win trophies in the last few years that it would go down as the ones that got away and this team would break up with nothing to show for it. And it’s proven to be so, with the CL final the last hurrah.

Poch probably saw the same thing which might explain some of his comments, but the problem is we can’t just rip everything up and go backwards. Dropping out of the top four and probably top 6 at this rate will make rebuilding even harder.

The whole thing is a lose/lose situation for us because all the talk of Allegri/Jose/Ancelotti etc is imo going to leave people very disappointed. Top managers with proven pedigree will all want to spend money and they will not want committees, being clever in the market etc. Doesn’t matter how good our squad is on paper, managers have different ideas and want certain types of players.

The only manager with a winning pedigree I could possibly see joining us is Benitez ( who I actually wanted before we got Poch), as anything after Ashley would seem like a fairytale :D. Even he though ended up leaving Liverpool when he thought the board were interfering too much.

Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager :(. May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.
Any chance you could show your working on this one? There would be literally no point in going for Howe or similar. The reason for sacking Poch would be underachievement with the tools at his disposal - a squad that is plenty good enough to finish in the top 4 and win trophies - there's no reason to believe Howe would achieve those things. We're a totally different club to the one Poch took over and the only option for us now is a proven "difference maker", especially given the things Levy has said in recent interviews. My money's on Mourinho.
 

mrlilywhite

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We tried about 4 different formations in that game. Difficult to execute any sort if game plan when the players seem so unwilling to actually play and get the absolute basics wrong
Have you actually been looking at our form over the past year? This mess isn't something that has just reared its head now. Poch has one system or style of play. His reading and understanding of the game isn't good at all.
 

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Can't have sympathy for Poch with this, he knew exactly how Levy operates when he joined the club.

True when he joined, but you can’t call Poch a **** for thinking that things might have changed after challenging for the title on a shoestring and then getting to a champions league final surely?
 

stevenurse

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Love him, and just when I feel like I want him to go, I see him do a press conference and I can't bring myself to actually want it. I might say it, but the truth is I want him to succeed.

Unfortunately now its just a case of keeping a dying puppy alive. It's over. The facts are that we have excellent players. Hence why the next 2 weeks will be spent flying around the world representing their national teams.

But Poch isn't getting a tune out of them and we can't afford to continue to carry him. It'll cost a bomb so it won't happen, but he needs to put out if his misery.
 

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Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
He's done a great job. My one worry would be that he struggled when he got the Burnley gig so it may that he operates most effectively within the conditions at Bournemouth.
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TBH, that’s a risk we take with players, coaches, scouts and everyone else. If we won’t take the risk, we can’t expect the rewards. I have no idea whether Howe will make it or not, but Audere Est Facere, innit?
 

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well if Hoddle is right that Poch didnt want anybody I dont know why we tried so hard to sign Grealish and few others that summer.
Grealish would have been the unpopular "Levy signing" - if we'd paid the £35m(?) that Villa demanded there would have been a standard SC meltdown.

de Jong obviously would have been a hell of a lot more but if he turned us down as he says you have to assume we were willing to pay it. We also wanted Ndombélé that summer iirc but that was always a long shot due to him being in the process of transferring from Amiens to Lyon. I genuinely can't remember any further links - it was deathly quiet that whole window.
 

Metalhead

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He's done a great job. My one worry would be that he struggled when he got the Burnley gig so it may that he operates most effectively within the conditions at Bournemouth.
TBH, that’s a risk we take with players, coaches, scouts and everyone else. If we won’t take the risk, we can’t expect the rewards. I have no idea whether Howe will make it or not, but Audere Est Facere, innit?
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I'm a big fan. Can't knock the style - it's very 'Spurs' and he seems to have a good style of management with the players.
 

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Personally, I am going to put some money on Eddie Howe as the next Spurs manager :(. May even do it now if the odds are decent enough.
Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
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No it's because he's massively overrated as a manager, tactically inept & can't organise s team defensively
 

sidford

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I hope for his sake he goes. As levy has shown, he isn't going to back him so although i believe it will get better than this it won't go the way we want it to so he should go for the sake of his sanity / career.
 

rossdapep

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They aren't slagging Poch off, they are passing on what their players are saying is happening/being said. In my case anyway.

People have to remember this isn't something that's just happened it's been building and picking up pace for a long time.

The players are low on confidence and have a lack of belief in what they are being asked to do. This brings doubt on the pitch and it's impossible to play like a coherent team.
I imagine we'd have been hearing about it a long time ago if we hadn't reached the CL final.
 

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Love him, and just when I feel like I want him to go, I see him do a press conference and I can't bring myself to actually want it. I might say it, but the truth is I want him to succeed.

Unfortunately now its just a case of keeping a dying puppy alive. It's over. The facts are that we have excellent players. Hence why the next 2 weeks will be spent flying around the world representing their national teams.

But Poch isn't getting a tune out of them and we can't afford to continue to carry him. It'll cost a bomb so it won't happen, but he needs to put out if his misery.

Posted elsewhere that maybe they are not excellent players. They are mostly average players that Poch raised to a higher level but can go no further. Just a question not a fact but I have noticed that just about all the players that left his Southampton side for big money pretty much disappeared from the scene fairly quickly
 

dondo

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You’re telling me Foyth or Sanchez wouldn’t have done better than Jan or Toby today? Or Dele or Lucas wouldn’t have done better than Eriksen?


Lucas did better than Eriksen in his 15 minute sub appearance but will still be sub next match with Eriksen playing half arsed in his place
 

maltahotspur

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I don't think our problems are down to one person only, it is a combination of a number of issues.

Everyone has his own opinion on what's gone wrong and maybe all the different personal opinions on the matter have a degree of sense.

Poch may be one of the issues and it could also be that he has lost faith and belief in some of the players in the squad. Of course he has not always picked the right formations, of course he has sometimes said things he should have never said and he could have a plan b and c when things need changing.
But, Levy has got to shoulder his responsibilities as well. Yes he has taken the Club forward in no small measure, put us in a brilliant position and on a very solid economical foundation for years to come, he also gave us one of the best stadium and training facilities, but he has not invested enough with regards to the requirements of the footballing side.
Our net spend has been mean and miserable, in the region of just GBP 85 million in the time Poch has been here. Compare that to the other top six sides and we are left light years away behind.

So, I really believe that we cannot put our finger on one place and say this is it. One last thing, for those who may think that we can just go and bring in another Manager and we'll be back in business, think again, it would not work unless Levy is prepared to open up his wallet and hand him 200 million per season - in the current market - to make it work. Something which if he is open to do, then might as well give the dosh to Poch !
 
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ComfortablyNumb

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Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
No it's because he's massively overrated as a manager, tactically inept & can't organise s team defensively
Funny that we all want to take a chance on the next best thing in players, before they get too expensive for us, but we don’t want to take that approach with managers. Is it because he’s English?
No it's because he's massively overrated as a manager, tactically inept & can't organise s team defensively
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I was talking about Eddie Howe...
 
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