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cozzo

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Decided. Poch has built enough credit for us to say 'we'll give you a shit season, prepare for next year and we'll invest at Xmas and in the summer with that season in mind'. Fans are too fickle. He's done more than anyone with that amount of money to spend had a right to do.Now is the time to back him and accept that this team needs a complete rebuild.
 

Timberwolf

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Poch will not walk and I cant see Levy sacking him. So we will limp on for a while I think.
Yup. I think it's going to be drawn out and painful. Poch is stubborn and Levy won't want to pay him off unless it's absolutely necessary.

If someone like Allegri is willing to come, I think this international break would be the perfect time to bite the bullet and put him in place.

In reality we'll probably stumble along until we're knocked out of the CL and a long way of fourth, by which time Allegri will be at Utd and we'll either end up with a stop-gap manager, someone unproven or slowly bleeding out with Poch until the summer.
 

joelstinton14

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I feel for Poch. he quite clearly knew this was the end of this side. he’s been angling for a way for a while, but also quite clearly stated the squad needed an overhaul. that didn’t happen for whatever reason (probably best for another thread), but the only thing we can now change is him. its 10 months of terrible terrible form. his insistance on this stupid diamond, and some bizarre selections, tactics, and media soundbites hasn’t helped him. and in that respect, its him to blame.

Despite all the weird press conferences and double speak, a lot of what he has been saying about the squad as been spot on, and the players that he has been trying to shift are ones that have had a poor start to the season. Maybe when he was saying about having trust in what he says this is what he meant.

You are kind of damned if you do and don't in football. If we got rid of Toby, Jan, Rose and Christian in this TW people would have slated the club for having no ambition, but perhaps it was the right thing to do - or use them as squad players at least with their experience.
 

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Perhaps Poch just doesn’t have what it takes to take that next step into becoming an elite manager, there’s no shame in that and he’s obviously a very very good manager but just falls short in terms of experience, tactical knowledge and being that ruthless winner to take us and himself that next level.

I think he’s just reached a ceiling personally at this stage in his career.

We should always be thankful for him for making us a consist top four side, for the unbeaten final season at the old WHL and last seasons CL run but all good things come to an end.

Poch was the right fit at the right time when we employed him, the fact that we’ve possibly reached the stage where we need an elite manager to take us to the next level is testament to him.

In time and with the right appointment we will look back at Poch as fondly as we do Martin Jol, as a manager who helped take us another level and put us on the road to progress but reached a ceiling and came up JUST short in the end.
Great post mate
 

Timberwolf

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Decided. Poch has built enough credit for us to say 'we'll give you a shit season, prepare for next year and we'll invest at Xmas and in the summer with that season in mind'. Fans are too fickle. He's done more than anyone with that amount of money to spend had a right to do.Now is the time to back him and accept that this team needs a complete rebuild.
I agree with you in principle, but how often does that work out in football? It sounds like Poch hasn't just lost the likes of Eriksen and Toby but also some of the core players that we need to take us forward. If that's the case it doesn't matter how long we wait - we're just delaying the inevitable.

Also, do we really have the time or money for a complete rebuild? The market is insane and, while we're willing to spend, we can't go and do a Man City or a Chelsea. Whether we like it or not 3/4 of this squad will be here next season and we need to make them play to their potential.
 

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Despite all the weird press conferences and double speak, a lot of what he has been saying about the squad as been spot on, and the players that he has been trying to shift are ones that have had a poor start to the season. Maybe when he was saying about having trust in what he says this is what he meant.

You are kind of damned if you do and don't in football. If we got rid of Toby, Jan, Rose and Christian in this TW people would have slated the club for having no ambition, but perhaps it was the right thing to do - or use them as squad players at least with their experience.

oh i agree. he obviously knew we needed the ‘painful rebuild’ but wasn’t backed/it didn’t happen for some reason.

put that aside though, there is no excuse for the edge of the cliff drop off we’ve seen.
 
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Why don't they listen to manager and do as they are asked. If not then its the big problem. AS the fav of SC are allegri and mourinho. Both play with boring style and will they complain again ?

Listening to the manager and doing what he is asking is completely independent of performances.

It seems to me like he is asking them to play in a way that simply isn't working - that makes the players look crap (full backs waay too high up, and then they get caught from behind etc.). The take is that they are doing what they can, but what he is asking is flawed.
 

WiganSpur

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Yup. I think it's going to be drawn out and painful. Poch is stubborn and Levy won't want to pay him off unless it's absolutely necessary.

If someone like Allegri is willing to come, I think this international break would be the perfect time to bite the bullet and put him in place.

In reality we'll probably stumble along until we're knocked out of the CL and a long way of fourth, by which time Allegri will be at Utd and we'll either end up with a stop-gap manager, someone unproven or slowly bleeding out with Poch until the summer.
Levy will be keeping an eye on the Solskjaer situation as if he gets the chop then he can demand some hefty compensation for Pochettino who I imagine Utd would go for. I think that will be his line of thinking. Pochettino for a few million and bring in Allegri or Mourinho for nothing.

He won't sack him, not unless relegation is becoming a possibility, or perhaps top 4 becomes impossible.
 

mike_l

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Decided. Poch has built enough credit for us to say 'we'll give you a shit season, prepare for next year and we'll invest at Xmas and in the summer with that season in mind'. Fans are too fickle. He's done more than anyone with that amount of money to spend had a right to do.Now is the time to back him and accept that this team needs a complete rebuild.
If this squad that he spent 5 years building needs to be scrapped and started afresh, then he's not the right manager to be backing!
 

mike_l

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Levy will be keeping an eye on the Solskjaer situation as if he gets the chop then he can demand some hefty compensation for Pochettino who I imagine Utd would go for. I think that will be his line of thinking. Pochettino for a few million and bring in Allegri for nothing.
Or Utd just go for Allegri for free, who's stock hasn't plummeted worse than Thomas Cook's and has actually won something ever...
 

arunspurs

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Arguing whether Poch deserves time or not is pointless. In a ideal world where there are no consequences he may deserve a year.

As things stand, he has lost the dressing room. Losing the players doesn’t mean they don’t respect him ... IMO his ideas aren’t resonating with players anymore.

Only way for us under Poch is down currently. Barring a miracle , I can’t see how we will just come back like nothing happened for rest of season.

IMO , Swallow the bitter pill & part ways. There’s no redemption left here
 
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Hilarious to think that a new guy comes in and all of a sudden Alderweireld gains 2 yards of pace that he’s lost in the last 12 months, or Ndombele stops being a stone overweight, or Lloris (get well soon skip) stops being a useless ****.

It’s been fun and emotional Poch, all the best in whatever your new role is.

Time for a new cab off the rank to take the heat off Teflon Dan.

Levy, you’re a fucking **** mate.

Let's clarify:
- Levy doesn't pick the team
- He doesn't pick the tactics
- He doesn't motivate the team
- He doesn't take training
- He doesn't speak to the press
- He doesn't sit in the dugout.


It's astonishing how many people are willing to credit Poch for absolutely everything good that has happened and, now that things aren't going right, you're trying to absolve him of all blame. There's always some excuse that goes against all evidence that Poch is just a poor victim of some scenario. At the end of the day, he's paid to train, motivate and pick a team - he's not doing a good job of any of that, from what we can see. He has the players available, and is consistently picking players that aren't performing.


At the end of the day, Poch has done well to get us to "nearly", but that doesn't afford him the pleasure of tearing it all down again back to the Ramos days. That might sound far fetched, but if we keep losing and are completely off the pace by Christmas, you can be damn sure that any players we have that are worth keeping will be gone at the end of the season, and there'll be no more Harry Kane to perform miracles for us.
 
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Hakkz

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Let's clarify:
- Levy doesn't pick the team
- He doesn't pick the tactics
- He doesn't motivate the team
- He doesn't take training
- He doesn't speak to the press
- He doesn't sit in the dugout.


It's astonishing how many people are willing to credit Poch for absolutely everything good that has happened and, now that thing aren't going right, you're trying to absolve him of all blame. There's always some excuse that goes against all evidence that Poch is just a poor victim of some scenario. At the end of the day, he's paid to train, motivate and pick a team - he's not doing a good job of any of that, from what we can see. He has the players available, and is consistently picking players that aren't performing.


At the end of the day, Poch has done well to get us to "nearly", but that doesn't afford him the pleasure of tearing it all down again back to the Ramos days. That might sound far fetched, but if we keep losing and are completely off the pace by Christmas, you can be damn sure that any players we have that are worth keeping will be gone at the end of the season, and there'll be no more Harry Kane to perform miracles for us.

This annoys me the most atm.
 

Wadec

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I agree with you in principle, but how often does that work out in football? It sounds like Poch hasn't just lost the likes of Eriksen and Toby but also some of the core players that we need to take us forward. If that's the case it doesn't matter how long we wait - we're just delaying the inevitable.

Also, do we really have the time or money for a complete rebuild? The market is insane and, while we're willing to spend, we can't go and do a Man City or a Chelsea. Whether we like it or not 3/4 of this squad will be here next season and we need to make them play to their potential.

The second half of your post is the crucial thing most fans are missing. Its not one or two players out of form it is nearly every player looking lost and clueless. People think dropping one or two players will change things but as ITK are alluding to it has run far deeper than that.
 

Timberwolf

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Levy will be keeping an eye on the Solskjaer situation as if he gets the chop then he can demand some hefty compensation for Pochettino who I imagine Utd would go for. I think that will be his line of thinking. Pochettino for a few million and bring in Allegri or Mourinho for nothing.

He won't sack him, not unless relegation is becoming a possibility, or top 4 becomes impossible.
That would actually make sense, but what if Utd just decide to go for Allegri themselves?

I also struggle to see Poch agreeing to leave the club in that way. He's always maintained that he wouldn't walk out on his contract and has turned down multiple offers in the past - he's extremely loyal but also very stubborn and intransigent in that way. Slinking away to Utd when the club is in turmoil just doesn't seem like his style to me, even if it makes the most sense for everyone.
 
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Spurs 1961

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So is Poch suffering because of his own success?

By that I mean has he taken ordinary players and make them look really good. Improved them to a high level from where they were. And then found that they were not good enough to compete at the very highest level.

I ask because when you look at many of the players he had at Southampton before who made the England squad and often went on to get big transfers we find that few if any improved after.

What Poch seems to have been after recently is higher level players at a young age that he can do more with?

Obviously there are two or three players who were top drawer before but some of these have gone or are much older now
 

Spurs_Bear

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Let's clarify:
- Levy doesn't pick the team
- He doesn't pick the tactics
- He doesn't motivate the team
- He doesn't take training
- He doesn't speak to the press
- He doesn't sit in the dugout.


It's astonishing how many people are willing to credit Poch for absolutely everything good that has happened and, now that thing aren't going right, you're trying to absolve him of all blame. There's always some excuse that goes against all evidence that Poch is just a poor victim of some scenario. At the end of the day, he's paid to train, motivate and pick a team - he's not doing a good job of any of that, from what we can see. He has the players available, and is consistently picking players that aren't performing.


At the end of the day, Poch has done well to get us to "nearly", but that doesn't afford him the pleasure of tearing it all down again back to the Ramos days. That might sound far fetched, but if we keep losing and are completely off the pace by Christmas, you can be damn sure that any players we have that are worth keeping will be gone at the end of the season, and there'll be no more Harry Kane to perform miracles for us.

There’s nothing astonishing about it. Read what I said, not absolving Poch of all blame just saying it’s been fun and time for next cab off the rank.

Oh and I think I said Levy is a fucking ****. My reasoning for that is because Levy is a fucking ****.
 

Wadec

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Levy will be keeping an eye on the Solskjaer situation as if he gets the chop then he can demand some hefty compensation for Pochettino who I imagine Utd would go for. I think that will be his line of thinking. Pochettino for a few million and bring in Allegri or Mourinho for nothing.

He won't sack him, not unless relegation is becoming a possibility, or perhaps top 4 becomes impossible.

Very dangerous game to play, I feel Woodward may be doing something very similar looking at our situation.
 

Metalhead

But that's a debate for another thread.....
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Decided. Poch has built enough credit for us to say 'we'll give you a shit season, prepare for next year and we'll invest at Xmas and in the summer with that season in mind'. Fans are too fickle. He's done more than anyone with that amount of money to spend had a right to do.Now is the time to back him and accept that this team needs a complete rebuild.
Shall we have a show of hands or just bang this over to Daniel?
 
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