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fishhhandaricecake

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I think some of the comments in here would be very different if the second goal wasn’t chalked off. Some of our attacking play in the first half was lovely but there’s no excusing our form this calendar year.

Poch’s only saving grace has been that United, Chelsea and Arsenal have been just as shit and inconsistent.

That won’t last for much longer though and the moment we start looking like we’ll be cut adrift I think Mourinho will be brought in.

Levy will kick Poch out very swiftly if we look like losing out on CL money next season, there’s not only the stadium to think about but replacing Toby, Jan, Eriksen and probably Rose just for starters, we desperately need that cash and pull for new players.
Erm he absolouely won’t! Poch has got us CL 4/5 of last seasons and that was while we had no money to spend and we’re building a new stadium, he’s also got us to a CL final which has brought in tons of revenue levy will certainly give poch one bad finish probably two but question is do they just mutually agree it’s gone stale and good time to part and or does poch just ask to leave, either are more likely.
 

shelfboy68

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I was really down in the dumps yesterday, but United’s loss today and with Chelsea & Arsenal currently trailing, my day has somehow brighten up. ?
Makes it all the more gutting that we can win or see out games real shame.
 

homer hotspur

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You’re welcome to have doubts but personally I think the team have showed enough yesterday to give me faith we’ll have a decent season. Leicester and West Ham don’t have the squads to maintain the consistency needed to unsurp our top 4 spot.
The lack of any European competition is a huge benefit to those teams. Remember when Leicester won the league , they got knocked out of the cups early and had just one league game a week for months, playing the same 11 and they probably have a better squad now.
 

Mr Pink

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I think we as a fan-base should be absolutely ashamed of ourselves for how we have acted in recent weeks, we are not a mega club and yet we have the entitlement of one at the moment despite the fact we have punched well above our weight in recent seasons. We always complain about a lack of loyalty in football yet the lack of loyalty shown to the man who has sent us to our highest heights in the modern era is staggering.

It's not going well, that's a given but if there's one man who has credit in the bank it's Mauricio Pochettino. Yet the first sign of trouble and we're quick to turn our backs on him.

I think some perspective is in order because this fan-base seems to have collectively lost it's memory. Firstly let's talk about that away record. First of all people who are using that stat to beat a stick with us really need some perspective. Our first 3 away games this season were:

City - Draw
Arsenal - Draw
Leicester - Loss

Now we were robbed, point blank robbed vs Leicester that was 2-0 done and dusted, the VAR decision gave them a huge momentum shift and admittedly we could do better but we were robbed, there's no doubt about it but they are 3 really difficult away games and two of them if you were looking at the fixtures start of season, you'd say the first 2 were decent results, this shitty away run will end as soon as we face brighton.

So I know people will then point to 'we haven't won since January away' Well this is where I feel like people have suffered memory loss because 99.9% of us in here were saying that with the world cup stealing 9 of our players until the very end, coupled with a lack of reinforcements that we were going to be screwed. So why are you all fucking so shocked that we were screwed? How have you all forgotten that? That's before we even discuss the injury list but we managed to barely hang onto 4th albeit with a bit of good fortune. However during that run Poch used our resources which were extremely stretched at best and put everything we had into that Champions League run. He did the absolutely best with what we had to deliver something nothing any of us have ever experienced and that's been cosigned to the past.

The other bit of short term memory loss I don't understand is, the vast majority of us were saying that we will suffer the effects of the 2018 summer window down the line when we have too do a massive overhaul to make up for the lack of movement in that window. We all knew that there would be problems with the lack of signings yet that's been seemingly forgotten also. This situation we have now with stagnation was expected and yet we're all still somehow shocked, it's mind-boggling to me. We are suffering the repercussions of that window. We have players who can't seem to get their moves away that they wanted, in Rose, Eriksen, Aurier, Alder. We also can't shift some players we want to shift with the likes of Wanyama. Some of them are making the most of it, others are stinking the joint out but Poch is doing the best he can with what he has. Yes he has made selection mistakes, there's no doubt about that but is that really justification to want him out after everything he's done, or after we failed to deliver the signings for him, is it only right that we allow him to see through this difficult period and try and put it right.

I know also that people will say well Poch said no to the players offered to him, well are you surprised? Because we had a squad which was on the cusp of doing big things but let me remind you what the bench was during that semi final vs Chelsea in the F.A cup:
  • 2 Walker
  • 9 Janssen
  • 14 Nkoudou
  • 17 Sissoko
  • 27 Wimmer
  • 30 López
  • 33 Davies
Those were the players he was offered in order to elevate us to another level. He somehow has got a tune out of Sissoko by some minor miracle but are you really that shocked that Poch wasn't willing to accept the shit being offered his way given the history of the players he had to accept before?

We have tried this summer to reinvigorate the squad, in my opinion not enough but we have signed 3 players in Lo Celso, Sessegnon and Ndombele. One hasn't played a single minute, one played about 50 minutes over 3 games and got injured and one has just returned from injury. Yet we as a fan-base have decided already that Poch has failed in the latest transition before the transition has even begun. Again how the fuck does this man not have enough credit to see us through.

We're also talking about a current premiership climate when we have arguably two of the best ever prem teams in our way, with another 3 teams in the top6 with us with far more resources trying to win titles. Poch has got us competing with clubs of ridiculous stature and with his ability we are becoming a financial juggernaut, we wouldn't have been able to refinance the stadium the way we have without what Poch has done with such little resource on the pitch. He deserves credit for making us such an appealing club and when Levy lands an astounding stadium naming rights deal remember it was Poch struggling on with little which put the worlds eyes on us with what he's achieved on the pitch.

Yes I'm not thrilled that we are facing another transition, I'm under no illusion that next summer will be another transition. Yes I'm desperate for us to win things but right now I think this fan-base is suffering from entitlement and wants microwaveable results. To be expected in this current society of instant gratification and no shock to see people throwing Jose name into the ring as he is the ultimate at microwaveable results. I think we'd be throwing away our long term aspirations. I see him as our fergy, it's a new era of course but Fergy struggled until his 6th or so season before the good times came. He didn't have to face oil money and a new stadium build either.

I think we'd also do well to remember all the things we were saying about why Poch should stick with us, why real ambition would be to win something with Spurs rather than go to United or Madrid where it's expected, where we were asking for loyalty. The shoe's on the other foot now and I think as a fan-base we need to be better, accept that there is difficult times ahead but if we can get through it with Poch at the helm and overhaul the squad properly It will mean so much more than quickly bringing in a name and beginning a period where we chuck manager after manager in for short term gain.

We're showing a real lack of loyalty and I think we need to be grateful for what we have and get behind him through this rocky period.

Totally agree with this IF POCH WANTS TO BE HERE
 

DCSPUR

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A lot of agenda stuff with Spurs social media at the moment.
100% back Poch. Am sure Levy will judge at season end.
Top 4 is ours f Poch here in May.
 

soflapaul

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I was really down in the dumps yesterday, but United’s loss today and with Chelsea & Arsenal currently trailing, my day has somehow brighten up. ?

I almost feel guilty that ManU, Chelsea and Arsenal misery brings such delight. Almost.
 

McFlash

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Oh how I fucking love SC and our fans after a defeat!
Trouble is, it's not just this defeat though, is it?
This is a gradual build up of disquiet over the past 6 months, and possibly, not just amongst the fanbase but the squad too. It's coming to a head.

I never thought that I'd be falling on the "Poch out" side of things but something's got to change, and quickly. I'm starting to feel that the only thing that's going to change is the manager and maybe, that won't ge such a bad thing.

After the past few years, this really is a shit state to be in.
 

mattyspurs

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Trouble is, it's not just this defeat though, is it?
This is a gradual build up of disquiet over the past 6 months, and possibly, not just amongst the fanbase but the squad too. It's coming to a head.

I never thought that I'd be falling on the "Poch out" side of things but something's got to change, and quickly. I'm starting to feel that the only thing that's going to change is the manager and maybe, that won't ge such a bad thing.

After the past few years, this really is a shit state to be in.
I’m with @Mr Pink on this one. Yes it’s not great, but if he wants to be here, then he has more than enough in the bank to try and sort it out
 

Lighty64

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I was just curious, if some of you stat cats could help, what the run of form was like when Martin Jol and say Ramos was sacked.?

I’m not saying I want MP gone but I think somethings not quite right. That’s why I was curious about the above mentioned managers, (or others) after all it’s a results based business and I wondered where maybe the line will be drawn.

well Ramos went due to 2pts in 8 matches. think Jol was sacked for flogging the Porche that Levy bought him, and apparently visiting Newcastle for a new job
 

SugarRay

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The lack of any European competition is a huge benefit to those teams. Remember when Leicester won the league , they got knocked out of the cups early and had just one league game a week for months, playing the same 11 and they probably have a better squad now.

Their defence isn’t good enough. Same with Bournemouth, Wolves, West Ham, Palace and Everton
 
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