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Seafordian Spurs

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He’s been great, truly wonderful times under Poch. But we all need to face it, we aren’t that team anymore. We are weak, clueless and a shadow of the force that we were. Teams were scared of us, now they all want to play us because they know they can get something.

We need something new. Players and Manger.

Thanks Poch, you’ve been incredible but it’s time.

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markiespurs

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I’m very much opine that Pochettino deserves time. I am very annoyed by a lot of his current mistakes, but ultimately he’s earns the right to a bad season, and I include failing to qualify for the champions league. Levy might disagree, but to my mind as long as Pochettino both wants to be here, but also has a plan to improve things (and he certainly has the tools available) he deserves not just time, but patience.

That said, I’m getting frustrated listening to the media rhetoric that it’s the club’s fault he’s not winning anything and that Spurs can only be nearly men but he can win big elsewhere... just like the players in place, he is very much part of the nearly men situation.


Agree to a point

Big problem is that I'm not convinced Poch still wants to be here and I'm even less convinced that he has a plan to improve things.

 
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Agree to a point

Big problem is that I'm not convinced Poch still wants to be here and I'm even less convinced that he has a plan to improve things.
Bit like Eriksen from Jan. last year, Poch will phone it in with his usual guff at press conf. People will continue to make excuses for him though.
 

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Agree to a point

Big problem is that I'm not convinced Poch still wants to be here and I'm even less convinced that he has a plan to improve things.

I think this is my main concern, I'm not sure he knows how to really improve things. I can honestly still see us losing so many games in the manner that we did today. I feel like there needs to be such a shift in mentality within the team. We have the air of a team that likes to try and play good football, not the air of a team that likes to play good football and be ruthless and dominant through it. Even if we were to go 1-0 up in big games, I have little confidence we'll see them out. Same thing happened at Arsenal recently and it was like Liverpool last season at Anfield in a game we should have won but all too typically lost. This whole typical typical Tottenham shit is coming true way too many times for my liking.

I thought our main problems were lack of creativity and offensive options but we have way more problems on the defensive side of things.

I don't care what people say but I still miss having someone like Dembele in the middle. In saying that I think having some sort of enforcer or 'general' in the centre who would just naturally sit deep would help this team prevent leaking goals so much. I always used to feel that Vertonghen and Alderweireld used to really appreciate having just Dier sitting in front of them for protection.
 

markiespurs

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If Poch goes soon I see him taking a sabbatical for a year rather than walking striaght into another job.

Honestly think Poch needs a sabbatical

His strange tactical and selection decisions, his change from the happy, smiley positive Poch into the negative, moody individual who we’ve seen over the last 7 or 8 months. All are signs of someone who is burned out and needs a rest.
 

shelfboy68

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Fans are going to be understandable angry at Pochettino especially after a run of 8 months without an away win in the Premier League. Something is very very wrong, that team today is good enough to finish in the top 3.
The form has been woeful and he has had plenty of time to sort this out however I sense that levy wants stability along with a long term plan which is make as much money as possible, so I can't see him pulling the trigger but certainly top four will be a struggle maybe even top six.
 

jondy1

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I am in the camp now that believes Poch can’t turn our fortunes around, we were saying two seasons ago his tactical skills will improve but I don’t think they have in fact I would say his aura is better than his management skills and yes I want him to suceed badly but I cannot see it. His demeanour reminds me a bit about Mourinhos last weeks saying that this isn’t the best squad of players he’s had can’t sit well with the players and it says if we don’t do anything this year it’s because of the squad , he is trying protect his future employment opportunities , passing the buck, but whatever your views the buck stops with the manager
 

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If Poch goes, my own worthless opinion is it would be Howe. Somebody Levy can still stubbornly run the transfer strategy the way he always has (grimace). It feels to me that Poch has conceded defeat to Levy, and is resigning himself to walking end of season.
 

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I think it's also hyperbolic to imply that he's turned the around like we did a Man City (minus the money). AVBs half season aside, we were a top 5 side for years - we've been better, but it hasn't been the meteoroic difference that is implied.

Fact is, we improved year on year, but since we finished 2nd, we've started to return back to the start. Or current position isn't actually that far off our first Poch season.

We were ahead of the curve a few seasons back, with the pressing etc, whereas now we're behind it, trying all that playing from the back stuff that we blatantly can't do.

I completely agree with this.

The truth is, the likes of utd, chelsea and arsenal have all declined over the past few years and we improved slightly. If those teams hadn't declined, I honestly don't think that we would have finished as high as we have.

The fact is that we still havent won anything under Poch, come close but still havent won anything. Poch isnt learning as a manager and instead of learning from his mistakes, he now seems to be making the same mistakes more often (subs, tactics etc). The only time that we have played well this season was in the first half against Palace, in every other game it could have went eitherway.

I really want Poch to succeed, but I think the writing is on the wall. The players dont appear to be playing for him anymore and he is to inept to get through this slump tactically.
I hope that I'm wrong and Poch pulls it round, he deserves it as we have improved under him, however I just cant see it happening.
 
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Metalhead

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Levy has never been one to shy away from a tough decision even to the point of not going about it in the best way (Jol) but he is normally decisive. Unlike any previous manager or coach, Poch really does seem to be Levy's man so one has to assume that he might not be quite as quick to pull the trigger as he may have done in the past.
 

srups34

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If Poch goes, my own worthless opinion is it would be Howe. Somebody Levy can still stubbornly run the transfer strategy the way he always has (grimace). It feels to me that Poch has conceded defeat to Levy, and is resigning himself to walking end of season.
Some of our support deserve Howe.
 

Dougal

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No, haven’t ignored anything. Jose may not be right for us for loads of reasons, but I can see why he’d be up there for candidates. I think Poch has been fantastic for us, and I’ve been hoping he’ll turn it around, but it’s not just one game, two-four-or even 8 games, something hasn’t been right for a while.
Exactly what they say about Jose and why he shouldn’t feature in a list that shouldn’t even exist.
 

markiespurs

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The form has been woeful and he has had plenty of time to sort this out however I sense that levy wants stability along with a long term plan which is make as much money as possible, so I can't see him pulling the trigger but certainly top four will be a struggle maybe even top six.

Your post seems a bit contradictory

If Levy’s long term plan is to make as much money as possible, then missing out on European competition, even the europa league is’nt an option.

If Levy’s plan is to make as much money as possible, then he will pull the trigger on Poch as soon as top four or top six look to be slipping away.
 

shoggy33

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Thought we looked pretty good for large parts of the game against a good side today so I'm not completely giving up hope of a turnaround in form, but it is starting to feel a bit like the writing is on the wall really. Whatever Poch has been doing over the last year it simply hasnt been working, and yeh there are some of legitimate excuses for that but at this moment of time he is not doing a good job. If it that goes on much longer I expect he'll be gone by xmas.
 

stevenurse

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Reluctantly, I think Poch going would be best for both parties. He's been fantastic but I wonder if the consistent 'nearly men' end results have burned him out.

People bemoan a manager like Jose etc, but would the football be any worse than it currently is? At least he is a winner with a proven track record of winning trophies.

People get fixated that the football would be shit, but

The game is about glory, not playing fancy stuff and coming short every time...
 

jolegend

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If Poch goes, my own worthless opinion is it would be Howe. Somebody Levy can still stubbornly run the transfer strategy the way he always has (grimace). It feels to me that Poch has conceded defeat to Levy, and is resigning himself to walking end of season.

Did we not get the 3 that Poch wanted this summer? How can Poch call defeat on that.
 

shelfboy68

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Your post seems a bit contradictory

If Levy’s long term plan is to make as much money as possible, then missing out on European competition, even the europa league is’nt an option.

If Levy’s plan is to make as much money as possible, then he will pull the trigger on Poch as soon as top four or top six look to be slipping away.
Mmm well he still gets us buying tickets at top prices only for us to achieve fuck all and levy himself isn't concerned by that as long as the money continues to pour in but yes I agree that top four is important to assist with that.
 

synththfc

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Saw someone say it earlier, but I can't find it because I forgot what thread it was in and am too lazy to find it, but the message was spot on.

The Poch project ended after we failed to sign a single player last summer. I don't think anyone thought that it was a good thing, but I don't think any of us knew exactly how colossal of a mistake that summer was. We've been playing catch up since, and it shows.
 
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