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McFlash

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Absolutely completely agree with this I am utterly disgusted with the opinions of these ‘fans’. They are getting what they deserve with this miserable football, shame the rest of us have to suffer along with them.
What a daft post.
 

Lighty64

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Whose fault was it then? He picks the players every week.

He puts them through their paces in double sessions as the start of the season. He watches them train. Hes never picked players if they aren't fit.

The issues are ongoing though. He continues to pick the same players who aren't cutting it. Everyone can see it except him by the looks of things. Eriksen, Rose, Aurier to name but 3. If Rose wasnt suspended yesterday he'd have played and Aurier is playing by default. Hopefully Foyth might get a run there now because Auriers head might not be right.

Look, I'm grateful for how he has transformed our club into semi-challengers, but our form is so bad that we've almost gotten to the point where we are back where we started under him, and if we're not there now we will be come May 2020.

it definitely wasn't his fault for the corner conceded at Burnley or was it his fault for selecting Jan because he made a challenge, so Kane should have been dropped for not getting a 1st half hattrick v Southampton? so Son shouldn't have been picked even though Kane was out injured?

see that is where you are so wrong, both Winks and Sissoko played most of the 2nd half of the season carrying groin injuries.

he is selecting players at the moment because we haven't got the depth to replace them. why pick Lo Celso if you know he won't make 60 mins and possibly cause him another injury, why not play Winks instead of Eriksen, because at the moment Winks is just as much use as Eriksen, yet he puts more into it.

yesterday Aurier never fucked up and played pretty well till Gomes injury, yes he has made errors and I take it you don't believe Walker ever made them
 

McFlash

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Honestly, what a load of horseshit. Congrats, you made the ignore list
So you ignore people who have a different opinion to yours? Or who say things that you don't want to hear?
Why are you even on here then?!

It's a discussion forum and has been said many, many times, it would be fucking boring if we were all sheep.
 

wrd

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So you ignore people who have a different opinion to yours? Or who say things that you don't want to hear?
Why are you even on here then?!

It's a discussion forum and has been said many, many times, it would be fucking boring if we were all sheep.

Agree completely, the whole point is to disagree with people and then pray you luck out that your opinion was correct and then be smug about it. Whole reason I'm still here is I'm holding out for Poch to turn it around so I can tell @McFlash what a loyal and better fan I am than him.
 

spurs mental

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it definitely wasn't his fault for the corner conceded at Burnley or was it his fault for selecting Jan because he made a challenge, so Kane should have been dropped for not getting a 1st half hattrick v Southampton? so Son shouldn't have been picked even though Kane was out injured?

see that is where you are so wrong, both Winks and Sissoko played most of the 2nd half of the season carrying groin injuries.

he is selecting players at the moment because we haven't got the depth to replace them. why pick Lo Celso if you know he won't make 60 mins and possibly cause him another injury, why not play Winks instead of Eriksen, because at the moment Winks is just as much use as Eriksen, yet he puts more into it.

yesterday Aurier never fucked up and played pretty well till Gomes injury, yes he has made errors and I take it you don't believe Walker ever made them
Walker made plenty of errors. But I never brought him into the discussion. He had plenty more good games then he did bad ones.

I'm not blaming him for the defeat against Burnley either, or that Kane didn't score a hat trick v Saints although he was incredibly wasteful that day.

What I, and many others are holding him responsible for is his total lack of in game management and tactical changes. He never changes the set up of the team when we are clearly under the kosh, and then finally when we do eventually concede or go behind he does change it, when it's too late. Hes largely a reactive manager rather than a pro active manager, which is exactly what we need right now.

Take last weeks game v Liverpool for example. Winks was getting totally over run all game and he only came off after Liverpool scored their equaliser. He only put Moura on after we went behind.

I could come up with plenty more examples of this type of scenario too.

I dont think I can have this discussion with you anymore though. You're loyalty to Poch is admirable but if you cant admit that hes making the same mistakes over and over and over in the last number of games, this season and last, then I think your loyalty is blinding you.
 

montylynch

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I can't see any way he's going to turn it around. The football is slow, turgid, without purpose and to use a phrase prevalent these days, without identity. Too many times we see players with a WTF look on their faces, they all look nervous, scared that it could be them making a mistake and be the next to be pilloried all over social media.

Whatever way it goes it will be painful for the fans, even if we get a new man in. I believe the rot has set in and will take a herculean effort to turn us into top 4 contenders this season. We're going to have to accept that. There's fuck all we can do at the moment except watch with gritted teeth and wonder at the decisions the guy is making. Some of these players must be really ripping it up in training and then telling big fat porkies to poch on their ability to play.

Just please stuff the pikeys in 2 weeks time, i can handle the rest of the crap that spurs will throw at us this year.
 

wrd

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Walker made plenty of errors. But I never brought him into the discussion. He had plenty more good games then he did bad ones.

I'm not blaming him for the defeat against Burnley either, or that Kane didn't score a hat trick v Saints although he was incredibly wasteful that day.

What I, and many others are holding him responsible for is his total lack of in game management and tactical changes. He never changes the set up of the team when we are clearly under the kosh, and then finally when we do eventually concede or go behind he does change it, when it's too late. Hes largely a reactive manager rather than a pro active manager, which is exactly what we need right now.

Take last weeks game v Liverpool for example. Winks was getting totally over run all game and he only came off after Liverpool scored their equaliser. He only put Moura on after we went behind.

I could come up with plenty more examples of this type of scenario too.

I dont think I can have this discussion with you anymore though. You're loyalty to Poch is admirable but if you cant admit that hes making the same mistakes over and over and over in the last number of games, this season and last, then I think your loyalty is blinding you.

There's no doubt about it, his 2 biggest flaws are showing too much loyalty to players performing badly and refusing to drop them and I'd say his biggest flaw is his inability to make subs when the game is crying out for them and failing to address the danger. I'd say another annoyance of mine is the abandonment of anything resembling a decent shape when we are behind and making subs which cause us to lose our structure as we saw vs Bayern. As loyal as I am to Poch in wanting him to turn it around if he doesn't address these things then with each passing game he is pushing himself towards losing his job and he'd have nobody to blame but himself.

We've had some unfortunate circumstances but Poch can fix a lot of the issues himself literally on a game by game basis.
 

McFlash

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My mates a Baldes fan and text me last night to say “if Kane and Son are out I’m quietly confident we could get something out of the game”
My response was “mate If I was you & the way you are playing even if we play with Kane and Son I’d still be extremely confident of getting a result”
We are hopeless and I can’t see it improving whilst he Insists on playing consistently out of form players.
Blimey, I didn't realise Bobo was still playing, let alone for Sheff Utd.
What is he, like 60 now?
 
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EastLondonYid

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Still think he can turn it around but have to admit I’m perplexed by his insistence on persisting with Eriksen, can only assume it’s a political decision as it’s certainly not on merit or even logical given the contract issue...

Maybe it was Poch shagging his wife ....explains everything...:playful:
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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This season is such a slow and painful death and it’s only the start of November. Just fucking sack him already.

How can you go on a 9 month spell of relegation form and not do one single thing to shake up the way we play? You can’t even count the Red Star game since he proved it was just a fluke from resting players for Anfield
 

Lighty64

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Walker made plenty of errors. But I never brought him into the discussion. He had plenty more good games then he did bad ones.

I'm not blaming him for the defeat against Burnley either, or that Kane didn't score a hat trick v Saints although he was incredibly wasteful that day.

What I, and many others are holding him responsible for is his total lack of in game management and tactical changes. He never changes the set up of the team when we are clearly under the kosh, and then finally when we do eventually concede or go behind he does change it, when it's too late. Hes largely a reactive manager rather than a pro active manager, which is exactly what we need right now.

Take last weeks game v Liverpool for example. Winks was getting totally over run all game and he only came off after Liverpool scored their equaliser. He only put Moura on after we went behind.

I could come up with plenty more examples of this type of scenario too.

I dont think I can have this discussion with you anymore though. You're loyalty to Poch is admirable but if you cant admit that hes making the same mistakes over and over and over in the last number of games, this season and last, then I think your loyalty is blinding you.

I know he makes mistakes, he has been crap at team changes during the game ever since he joined us, but the difference was we were still winning games, but because we are struggling it's getting blown up even more.

I would be happy if he went tomorrow, but only if we had a manager that wouldn't even play the players that don't want to be here, but at the moment we don't have the depth or fitness to discard them
 

Ronwol196061

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Easy to be critical of his methods now that we are struggling.

By 'micromanaging' and trying to make everyone an 'uber' player he has successfully developed numerous players into full internationals at both here and Southampton (including that 'rebel' at Atletico). The guy was heralded as a miracle worker on SC using these methods up to 6 months ago and now we are struggling he is a 'mad scientist' :rolleyes: . Funnily enough I look at what you wrote and you could easily apply the same to Pep Guardiola and his methods.

'The difference between insanity and genius is measured only by success and failure' - Masashi Kishimoto

Players stop responding to even the best managers, just ask Mourinho and Klopp.

My post was over the top but I do think there is truth there (as it maybe with other managers)
I do think that Poch has done some great things with physicality,commitment,energy levels and getting us to play with a system
but I think with tactics he has a limited view.
We have lacked creative players compared with the other teams.They cant just be creative. Its secondary Poch needs them to do everything
When you fill players up with micro management you leave less for them being exceptional especially in the creativity dept.
Instead of going on about his successes what about our weaknesses ?
 

spurs mental

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I know he makes mistakes, he has been crap at team changes during the game ever since he joined us, but the difference was we were still winning games, but because we are struggling it's getting blown up even more.

I would be happy if he went tomorrow, but only if we had a manager that wouldn't even play the players that don't want to be here, but at the moment we don't have the depth or fitness to discard them

Trix mentioned the other day that certain players would commit under a new manager. We do have the players. They just need a big shot in the arm. A new manager, as long as it's a big name, is exactly what we need.
 

Trix

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I know he makes mistakes, he has been crap at team changes during the game ever since he joined us, but the difference was we were still winning games, but because we are struggling it's getting blown up even more.

I would be happy if he went tomorrow, but only if we had a manager that wouldn't even play the players that don't want to be here, but at the moment we don't have the depth or fitness to discard them
I think many are over estimating just how many actually just want out.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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I think many are over estimating just how many actually just want out.
Can I be a bugger and ask for a bit of clarification? Are you saying that fewer actually want out than what we think? Or suggesting that the players who want out feel that way regardless of manager?

Edit: Flip me over and call me Judy, I understood all of that now based on @McFlash 's post below. You are referring to how many who now want out could in fact be swayed to stay. I agree with that, and it is a big argument for changing manager. Easier to change one manager if it means a few good players stay on.
 
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