The Mauricio Pochettino thread

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BringBack_leGin

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This pretty much sums up the scale of the 'rebuild'
Spurs Subs
Vorm, Foyth, Dier, Sessegnon, Winks, Lo Celso, Parrott
Man City Subs
Bravo, Gabriel Jesus, Mendy, Mahrez, Cancelo, Otamendi, Foden
Or, here’s the team that didn’t start yesterday through injury or suspension:

Lloris
Walker-Peters Foyth Vertonghen Rose
Dier Winks
Lo Celso Lamela Sessegnon
Kane
 

AnotherSpursFan

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Mr Levy, in case you are reading this

Please hire me as the next manager
You only need to pay me 500k pound per year
Heres my credential:
Won 5 EPL title in Championship Manager 2003/2004
Won 3 UEFA Champs League
Persuaded star players like Maldini, Cannavaro and Hernan Crespo to join the club
Unearthed and moulded young gems from Icelqnd and Scandinavia country into World beaters
Had 35 winning streak in all competitions
 

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Normally when teams go on a bad run and a manager is due to get sacked is because he's lost the players, they've stopped playing for him, they've downed tools and the entire club is toxic, look at Man Utd's last days under Mourinho for example and then subsequently look what happened when he left.

I think we're in a totally different situation under Poch, I don't think the players have stopped playing for him at all, bar one or two I think the majority of players are with him and the club is still harmonious and I reckon this is a big indicator as to why Levy is still backing him.
Sorry mate I disagree slightly does a harmonious club get trashed at Brighton, lose at home to Newcastle, nearly lose at home to Watford, get beaten by Colchester and thrashed by Bayern Munich who have now sacked their manager.
This can't be attributed to WC burnout something deeper is present and didn't various itk confirm all isn't great, admittedly no one knows as much about football as you do on here but I suspect things are not what they should be.
 

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The most absurd thing is the absolute devotion to someone who doesn't want to be here, has openly suggested as much and has more bookings that meaningful impacts on games this season. If Poch were trying different things then I'd at least give him the time to come across the right recipe, but he keeps chucking shit in the pot.

It's not necessarily that he's leaving, but the fact he's been shit for months that baffles me about Eriksen and his constant selection. Ramsey for the scum gave everything to the last day. Eriksen has phoned it in for over a year. It's a measure of the man that he can't be bothered and if I were a club of any stature I wouldn't want him anywhere near my team. Proven himself to be a shithouse and whilst he's been amazing for us, he deserves to just fuck off now.

Poch is as bad, if not worse for continually picking him. Then again his selections are nonsense anyway
 

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Mr Levy, in case you are reading this

Please hire me as the next manager
You only need to pay me 500k pound per year
Heres my credential:
Won 5 EPL title in Championship Manager 2003/2004
Won 3 UEFA Champs League
Persuaded star players like Maldini, Cannavaro and Hernan Crespo to join the club
Unearthed and moulded young gems from Icelqnd and Scandinavia country into World beaters
Had 35 winning streak in all competitions
Did you save the game before every match just in case you got beat and you could replay it? ;)
 

Ronwol196061

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Mr Levy, in case you are reading this

Please hire me as the next manager
You only need to pay me 500k pound per year
Heres my credential:
Won 5 EPL title in Championship Manager 2003/2004
Won 3 UEFA Champs League
Persuaded star players like Maldini, Cannavaro and Hernan Crespo to join the club
Unearthed and moulded young gems from Icelqnd and Scandinavia country into World beaters
Had 35 winning streak in all competitions

Ancelloti?
 

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Sorry mate I disagree slightly does a harmonious club get trashed at Brighton, lose at home to Newcastle, nearly lose at home to Watford, get beaten by Colchester and thrashed by Bayern Munich who have now sacked their manager.
This can't be attributed to WC burnout something deeper is present and didn't various itk confirm all isn't great, admittedly no one knows as much about football as you do on here but I suspect things are not what they should be.
Please comprehend what I said, I'm not talking about the results I'm talking about the feeling of the players towards the manager, he hasn't lost them from what we've heard from various info is that they're burned out and have nothing to give. By now we would have heard reports of them going against him, it just doesn't feel like there's issues between him and the players.

Look at the start difference between the end of days for Mourinho and Man Utd, Puel at Leicester compared to this.
 

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Blimey, it's fun in here isn't it????

For me, I'd stick with him somewhat longer - probably to the end of the season, as he's got that much credit with me.

I'm always amazed that people have now decided we are on par with Liverpool, ManU, Man City and Chelsea even though we still spend a fraction of what they do - one window of spending a few quid doesn't make it so - look at how long Man City had to pump oil money in before they started to see the results.

I think many now take for granted the work that Poch has done and decided our players are amazing and would walk into any other top side, I'm not so convinced - Rose, Davies, Jan, Toby, Aurier, Sissoko, Moura probably don't and the fact that some were available to buy and yet are still here says something. I'm not at all convinced that Mourinho (or anyone else) walks in the door and transforms these players into being equivalent to those at City or Liverpool for example which is who we'll have to beat to pick up a pot or two.

I also think that making a CL final is now seen as our right due to our place in the football universe which seems mental to me - this is what I think an earlier poster was talking about when mentioning "entitled fans" or similar. Others will disagree and talk about how wealthy we are compared to teams in Spain or Italy but I think it was a massive achievement that took a huge amount out of everyone involved.

Lastly, I think we are paying the price now for not spending money earlier which is why we are having to use players who are now knackered/unmotivated/unable to do what Poch needs/past their best. If we can stick with Poch, integrate the new guys, get a few more in and trust to youth I think he can (not will, but can) turn it round.

Things I'd like to see from Poch over the next few games:
- Eriksen dropped until his ability to play improves - work-rate isn't enough.
- Go to the youth squad and start to use them - Parrot, Skipp, Tanganga, KWP and anyone else we feel could do a job and have a point to prove - think of the fire in the belly of Mason and co a few years back.
- Moura returned to super sub role, I will always love him for the heroics in Amsterdam but either we aren't playing to his strengths or he just isn't that great.
- Anyone that doesn't want to work hard and commit themselves to being part of the solution binned off to the reserves - go back to picking players on merit. All that stuff about "being paid to train" or whatever seems to have gone out of the window.
- Pick a best 11 and a way of playing and stick with it, at one point Poch was criticised as having no "Plan B" but I think he's gone too far the other way now and needs to pick a way of playing and then tweak it slightly. Part of Liverpool's success is everyone knows their role and what the plan is - I'm not convinced that's true of us which is why we look clueless.

tldr: Poch has credit in the bank with me and we should stick with him but he needs to help himself as well.
I think this a strong post but most of the excuses fall to the wayside when Poch is being outperformed by the likes of Roy Hodgson since the start of the year. Poch has to be showing something to warrant the 'credit in the bank' to be valid, for me I'm just not seeing it. Fair play that you still do and I respect that.

No entitlement here though, I don't expect us to compete with Liverpool or City for the title or even reach another CL final, but I do expect us to be in the top 6 even when not firing on all cylinders. We are still 6th in turnover and wage bill I believe. I expect us to be competent defensively and capable of playing good football. I expect us to need more than a fortunate goal to avoid defeat at home vs Watford. I expect us to not get absolutely battered away to Brighton. I expect the top 4 race to last until at least March, not be dead in the first week of November.

This post might have worked after Bayern, but it's only got worse since IMO.
 

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As much as I dislike Rodgers, Leicester are on a different level to us this season, so to say Leicester are his level isn't necessarily a criticism
I don't mind Rodgers at all but I think he'll need to do it consistently with Leicester before I get too excited about him. I think he's a very good coach but not convinced he's at the very highest level - then again, neither are we :LOL:
 

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Please comprehend what I said, I'm not talking about the results I'm talking about the feeling of the players towards the manager, he hasn't lost them from what we've heard from various info is that they're burned out and have nothing to give. By now we would have heard reports of them going against him, it just doesn't feel like there's issues between him and the players.

Look at the start difference between the end of days for Mourinho and Man Utd, Puel at Leicester compared to this.
We can only judge on what we see.

He may not have lost the dressing room in the traditional sense but it's very obvious that something isn't right in terms of the dynamics and relationships.

Feels like a disconnect of some sort. What players say and what they're actually doing don't seem to align.

There's definitely something wrong that's fo sure.
 

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Please comprehend what I said, I'm not talking about the results I'm talking about the feeling of the players towards the manager, he hasn't lost them from what we've heard from various info is that they're burned out and have nothing to give. By now we would have heard reports of them going against him, it just doesn't feel like there's issues between him and the players.

Look at the start difference between the end of days for Mourinho and Man Utd, Puel at Leicester compared to this.
I think the players have too much respect for Poch to down tools and to go behind his back etc. As Alli said, many of the players owe him a lot for their careers and current status in the game. I think the issue is a loss of belief and confidence in his tactics and methods.
 

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I think the players have too much respect for Poch to down tools and to go behind his back etc. As Ali said, many of the players owe him a lot for their careers and current status in the game. I think the issue is a loss of belief and confidence in his tactics and methods.
Yeah that sounds about right and that actually worries me more than anything.
 

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What was it you saw?
It was a tongue in cheek comment aimed at people using our bench yesterday vs Man City's as yet another reason to grumble.

As if there aren't enough valid reasons already
 

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I think the issue is a loss of belief and confidence in his tactics and methods.


The man is a mad scientist.
He has one thing in his mind and he cant get past it (so far)
He wants to make everyone an uber player
They have to do everything. Its not enough to have them be able to pass,shoot,tackle,press,come back,go forward. He is micro managing them to be little robots.
He is taking away their common sense and instincts. That’s why they are all confused but still adhere to the leader. The ones that rebel get to sit out or leave for Atletico and Poch knows that this is the perfect situation for him because if he goes anywhere else bigger he would have to deal with players that don’t want to listen
Levy doesn’t buy grade A.That fits into Pochs MO as he can control Grade Bs and Grade Cs for the most part
 

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“Then, talking about the game, until then, it was always under control. We were the better team and we’re disappointed because we didn’t score more goals. "

You really have to wonder if he is watching the same game as the rest of us , two attempts on target and he thought we should have scored more goals ???. He is sounding very much like previous managers who have lost the plot but refuse to change the philosophy because they can't admit they are getting it wrong.
10 points behind fourth place it's looking like a return to mid table days unless Chelsea or Leicester start to get some bad patches and we actually start winning some games. The only silverware left this season looks to be the FA cup but on the other hand loads of fans don't want Europa league, so FA cup win and Sunday games or stay mid table and have a Europe free season.
 

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As much as I dislike Rodgers, Leicester are on a different level to us this season, so to say Leicester are his level isn't necessarily a criticism
They're good and he's one of the reasons why. But we should be aiming higher than Leicester
I don't mind Rodgers at all but I think he'll need to do it consistently with Leicester before I get too excited about him. I think he's a very good coach but not convinced he's at the very highest level - then again, neither are we :LOL:
Pretty much. End of conversation.
 
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