The England Thread

[Swalien]

I like Angel Gomes he would be great in a spurs shirt,

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Imagine how many he'd have had by now if Southgate hadn't been so negative

Come on, he banged the majority of his goals under Southgate. England were regularly top scorers in tournament qualifying campaigns. This ‘negative’ narrative is far too overplayed because of how poorly England played in the last tournament.

I don’t see much different in the teams performance against Finland to how we swept away multiple lower ranked nations in qualifying campaigns under Southgate.

 

[Romulus]

poor Pickford has to go back to Everton after playing with all these players

 

[kev1nxxx]

If you think England only played negatively in the last tournament under Southgate come on yourself

 

[muppetman]

Come on, he banged the majority of his goals under Southgate. England were regularly top scorers in tournament qualifying campaigns. This ‘negative’ narrative is far too overplayed because of how poorly England played in the last tournament.

I don’t see much different in the teams performance against Finland to how we swept away multiple lower ranked nations in qualifying campaigns under Southgate.

I think Southgate got more and more defensive over time but one of his achievements is that we now take for granted that we’ll brush aside the qualifying teams.

Carsley or whoever gets the gig will be expected to qualify comfortably and go deep into tournaments, that’s where we are now.

 

[UncleBuck]

I like Angel Gomes he would be great in a spurs shirt,

Does make you wonder why no English clubs have bought him back in either of the last two summer’s.

 

[SlotBadger]

come on yourself

Dirty bugger

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Carsley ball. He is not doing anything special but he is fundamentally just not Gareth Southgate. His selections are common sense. Just fucking basics like playing two proper wingers when you have inverted full backs, and putting a proper complement to Rice next to him. Have Gomes picking up the ball, and have Rice doing the shuttling and pressing etc.

It's not difficult stuff. Not sure how Southgate managed to make a dog's breakfast of it.

Tbh he had the most difficult decision taken out of his hands seeing Bellingham and Foden pulled out the squad. Trying to fit both of them in the team is what unbalanced us in the summer. Let’s see if Carsley makes such perceived common sense decisions when he is under pressure to fit both in the side.

 

[mightyspur]

If you think England only played negatively in the last tournament under Southgate come on yourself

Do you have any tissues to clean myself up?

 

[rossdapep]

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Carsley ball. He is not doing anything special but he is fundamentally just not Gareth Southgate. His selections are common sense. Just fucking basics like playing two proper wingers when you have inverted full backs, and putting a proper complement to Rice next to him. Have Gomes picking up the ball, and have Rice doing the shuttling and pressing etc.

It's not difficult stuff. Not sure how Southgate managed to make a dog's breakfast of it.

Tried to please too many players and the media by stuffing as many of the best attacking players in and hoping it merges.

Also, didn't want to do anything that upset the defensive balance.

 

[muppetman]

If you think England only played negatively in the last tournament under Southgate come on yourself

Ooooh

 

[WiganSpur]

I think Southgate got more and more defensive over time but one of his achievements is that we now take for granted that we’ll brush aside the qualifying teams.

Carsley or whoever gets the gig will be expected to qualify comfortably and go deep into tournaments, that’s where we are now.

All that is simply correlated to the quality of the players available. I'll give Southgate his dues on creating a positive culture but that's about all he's done that's been beneficial. It was an important step that needed to be made but he had far outstayed his welcome. He couldn't coach and didn't seem to be smart enough at any stage to overhaul his coaching set up and delegate. We were dire at the Euros bar one half against the Netherlands and relied exclusively on individual brilliance and set pieces for the most part.

 

[joshua_snodgras]

Always liked gomes since watching him at u21 last year, he ran the show, him and palmer the 2 obvious standouts. Reason why no-one has gone for him, diminutive English players aren't that popular, but I think that's nonsense as he shows..

 

[McFlash]

Madueke is either a very good player, or a very frustrating player. He seems to flit between the two.
Angel looks very tidy but is tiny, looks like a mascot is out there!

 

[WiganSpur]

Tbh he had the most difficult decision taken out of his hands seeing Bellingham and Foden pulled out the squad. Trying to fit both of them in the team is what unbalanced us in the summer. Let’s see if Carsley makes such perceived common sense decisions when he is under pressure to fit both in the side.

I think swapping Foden for Grealish is easy, Bellingham less so I agree. And there may be pressure but to be honest I think 90% of England fans would be very happy to see one of them dropped if it meant the football was a lot better. We've had it loads over the years with Gerrard, Lampard, Scholes etc.

If he gets pelters for leaving one of Foden or Bellingham out then the simple question is "Go on then where would you play them?"

 

[Frank Blank]

I like Angel Gomes he would be great in a spurs shirt,

Absolutely agree. He was excellent. Certainly stood out for me.

Technically good and whilst metronomic (in a good way) can play a killer ball too. Definitely one to look for in the future.

 

[muppetman]

All that is simply correlated to the quality of the players available. I'll give Southgate his dues on creating a positive culture but that's about all he's done that's been beneficial. It was an important step that needed to be made but he had far outstayed his welcome. He couldn't coach and didn't seem to be smart enough at any stage to overhaul his coaching set up and delegate. We were dire at the Euros bar one half against the Netherlands and relied exclusively on individual brilliance and set pieces for the most part.

Nah.

We weren’t great at the last tournament but he isn’t accidentally one of our most successful managers.

There’s a real need to shit on the last guy, but it’s just not needed.

Prior to Southgate we’d really, really underperformed. Southgate’s underperforming was making finals but not winning them which is a different thing.

I didn’t like the football that Southgate produced at the end but it’ll take more than a hard fought win over Finland for me to believe things are very different.

 

[Albertbarich]

I think Southgate got more and more defensive over time but one of his achievements is that we now take for granted that we’ll brush aside the qualifying teams.

Carsley or whoever gets the gig will be expected to qualify comfortably and go deep into tournaments, that’s where we are now.

Early Southgate at times was great, especially out of tournament. We would fly at teams.

it was when he convinced himself the only way to win a tournament was to bore the world to death . That’s when the problems started

 

[McFlash]

Nah.

We weren’t great at the last tournament but he isn’t accidentally one of our most successful managers.

There’s a real need to shit on the last guy, but it’s just not needed.

Prior to Southgate we’d really, really underperformed. Southgate’s underperforming was making finals but not winning them which is a different thing.

I didn’t like the football that Southgate produced at the end but it’ll take more than a hard fought win over Finland for me to believe things are very different.

Agree.
Southgate did a lot of good for England, he just stayed a tournament too long for me, maybe even two.
He was exactly what we needed when he came in though and helped change the whole atmosphere around the team.
Sadly though, he's never been a particularly astute manager and it caught up with him.

 

[muppetman]

Agree.
Southgate did a lot of good for England, he just stayed a tournament too long for me, maybe even two.
He was exactly what we needed when he came in though and helped change the whole atmosphere around the team.
Sadly though, he's never been a particularly astute manager and it caught up with him.

I think that’s fair. He’s a good leader but maybe not a great tactical manager.