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WiganSpur

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That's very difficult, England has some real attacking and midfield depth. I tried to rule out and add some players both based on my own preferences and what we know Southgate will do. We know Maguire will go so there's no point speculating about that. I was also very tempted to pick Dier :LOL:

I also was sad to leave out Rico Lewis, I really rate him highly but I think this tournament might be too early given the other options.

2 possible starting 11's for me depending on the shape (3-4-3 first and 4-3-3 second):
Pickford
Walker--Stones--Branthwaite
Arnold--Rice--Bellingham--Doughty
Saka-----Foden
Kane

Pickford
Walker--Stones--Maguire--Gomez
Rice
Foden--Bellingham
Saka--Kane--Eze
Must say I like the first one, and you could have any of Dier/Maguire/Gomez instead of Branthwaite. In the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 the left back spot is a problem, but with 3-4-3 Doughty could play left wing back and I think that would be an excellent solution.
Lewis would potentially make a hypothetical 18 for me given his versatility.

It's a decent shout to play wing backs given the injury problems at left back. And that way you can give Doughty a shot in his natural role. Also could be wrong but hasn't Mitchell been playing there for Palace also?

I'm really not a fan of Gomez at left back. If we're talking regular left backs for me the order of preference would be Shaw, Chilwell, Trippier and Livramento. The first three of those are injury/fitness doubts though. Mitchell has to go as the only fit LB who's half decent.

Personally i'd go for this:


Pickford
Walker Konsa Stones Shaw/Mitchell
Rice Bellingham
Saka Foden Gordon
Kane

 

Mr Pink

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Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw

Rice
Bellingham

Saka
Palmer
Foden

Kane


Thats the team I'd pick all day long.

Gordon, Eze all great options from the bench.
 

Led's Zeppelin

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Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw

Rice
Bellingham

Saka
Palmer
Foden

Kane


Thats the team I'd pick all day long.

Gordon, Eze all great options from the bench.

Looks really good, especially in the attacking areas, but are Maguire and Shaw really the best we can do?
 

Mr Pink

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Looks really good, especially in the attacking areas, but are Maguire and Shaw really the best we can do?

I like Shaw when he is fit, but there's question marks over his fitness. Hasnt played a lot etc

Magiure been decent for England and has a bit of a partnership with Stones.

Not blessed in those areas, but youve a City connection the right side with Stones/Walker and a United one on the left with Maguire/Shaw
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Pickford

Walker
Stones
Maguire
Shaw

Rice
Bellingham

Saka
Palmer
Foden

Kane


Thats the team I'd pick all day long.

Gordon, Eze all great options from the bench.

I just don't think Bellingham has the discipline to play in a deeper role at this level yet. He's like Pogba, in that he has the athletic ability to be box-to-box but it's pretty erratic with his pressing and tracking runners. If we had a Kante equivalent we could get away with it, but there is even an argument to say Rice is better as an 8 than a 6 - he certainly can't do what Kante used to do next Pogba for France.

Whatever happens Southgate is onto a hiding to nothing. Unless we win the whole thing the tournament will be judged a failure.
 

ItsBoris

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Lewis would potentially make a hypothetical 18 for me given his versatility.

It's a decent shout to play wing backs given the injury problems at left back. And that way you can give Doughty a shot in his natural role. Also could be wrong but hasn't Mitchell been playing there for Palace also?

I'm really not a fan of Gomez at left back. If we're talking regular left backs for me the order of preference would be Shaw, Chilwell, Trippier and Livramento. The first three of those are injury/fitness doubts though. Mitchell has to go as the only fit LB who's half decent.

Personally i'd go for this:


Pickford
Walker Konsa Stones Shaw/Mitchell
Rice Bellingham
Saka Foden Gordon
Kane


Agree on Lewis personally, in fact I think in terms of potential he could be in the top 5 of these players. But I just don't think Southgate will go for it in this tourney.

Mitchell is one I just haven't paid attention to enough to say one way or the other, so was kind of just left out by default for me.

Trippier and Livramento are both really right backs who can fill in as left backs (and both right footed if I'm not mistaken). There's a case for Gomez because he's versatile but yeah it's not a great option. Maybe you're right should just be Mitchell if he's a proper LB. I'm basically completely ruling out Chilwell and Shaw but I imagine Southgate will go with Chilwell.

Idk for me the 3-4-3 still looks most balanced and best option unless Shaw can miraculously return to full fitness.
 

ItsBoris

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I just don't think Bellingham has the discipline to play in a deeper role at this level yet. He's like Pogba, in that he has the athletic ability to be box-to-box but it's pretty erratic with his pressing and tracking runners. If we had a Kante equivalent we could get away with it, but there is even an argument to say Rice is better as an 8 than a 6 - he certainly can't do what Kante used to do next Pogba for France.

Whatever happens Southgate is onto a hiding to nothing. Unless we win the whole thing the tournament will be judged a failure.

Another reason for 3-4-3 imo because then Stones can step into midfield with 2 CB's behind him and give a little more freedom to Rice and Bellingham
 

Mr Pink

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I just don't think Bellingham has the discipline to play in a deeper role at this level yet. He's like Pogba, in that he has the athletic ability to be box-to-box but it's pretty erratic with his pressing and tracking runners. If we had a Kante equivalent we could get away with it, but there is even an argument to say Rice is better as an 8 than a 6 - he certainly can't do what Kante used to do next Pogba for France.

Whatever happens Southgate is onto a hiding to nothing. Unless we win the whole thing the tournament will be judged a failure.

Well maybe yeah, but I say play to the strengths...and thats attacking and let the opponents worry about us.

Rice and Bellingham have enough physical presence to screen the back four with Bellingham surging forward more.

He's good at those deep central runs.
 

UncleBuck

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That's very difficult, England has some real attacking and midfield depth. I tried to rule out and add some players both based on my own preferences and what we know Southgate will do. We know Maguire will go so there's no point speculating about that. I would have also left Maddison out based on his form but we know Southgate will pick him for the squad. I was also very tempted to pick Dier :LOL:

I also was sad to leave out Rico Lewis, I really rate him highly but I think this tournament might be too early given the other options.

2 possible starting 11's for me depending on the shape (3-4-3 first and 4-3-3 second):
Pickford
Walker--Stones--Branthwaite
Arnold--Rice--Bellingham--Doughty
Saka-----Foden
Kane

Pickford
Walker--Stones--Maguire--Gomez
Rice
Foden--Bellingham
Saka--Kane--Eze
Must say I like the first one, and you could have any of Dier/Maguire/Gomez instead of Branthwaite. In the 4-3-3/4-2-3-1 the left back spot is a problem, but with 3-4-3 Doughty could play left wing back and I think that would be an excellent solution.
Agree, only changes I’d make on current form would be palmer for Saka and the left cb.
Only problem being we have to accommodate a couple of players who are undroppable under Southgate’s management.
 

JUSTINSIGNAL

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Well maybe yeah, but I say play to the strengths...and thats attacking and let the opponents worry about us.

Rice and Bellingham have enough physical presence to screen the back four with Bellingham surging forward more.

He's good at those deep central runs.

Unfortunately I don't see that winning a tournament. We're not going to have the ball all the time so we need players in midfield who can smell danger and snuff out transitions - Rice can't do it all by himself.

We would all love to have all our ball players in the team. Out football everyone, and romp to victory, but apart from Spain - who were greatly aided by a core of players playing together for peak Barce under Pep - most other recent tournament winners have been been disciplined and pragmatic teams.
 

Mr Pink

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Unfortunately I don't see that winning a tournament. We're not going to have the ball all the time so we need players in midfield who can smell danger and snuff out transitions - Rice can't do it all by himself.

We would all love to have all our ball players in the team. Out football everyone, and romp to victory, but apart from Spain - who were greatly aided by a core of players playing together for peak Barce under Pep - most other recent tournament winners have been been disciplined and pragmatic teams.

Bellingham more than capable with the right instruction. He's physical and has bags of energy and stamina.

Its actually solid looking imo, and the three behind Kane work like fuck.
 
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ComfortablyNumb

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Unfortunately I don't see that winning a tournament. We're not going to have the ball all the time so we need players in midfield who can smell danger and snuff out transitions - Rice can't do it all by
Oh well, we can’t have that can we? We’d never live it down if we didn’t win the tournament, would we? What, with our reputation?
 

WiganSpur

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I just don't think Bellingham has the discipline to play in a deeper role at this level yet. He's like Pogba, in that he has the athletic ability to be box-to-box but it's pretty erratic with his pressing and tracking runners. If we had a Kante equivalent we could get away with it, but there is even an argument to say Rice is better as an 8 than a 6 - he certainly can't do what Kante used to do next Pogba for France.

Whatever happens Southgate is onto a hiding to nothing. Unless we win the whole thing the tournament will be judged a failure.

We are struggling a bit for natural DMs. Not really sure Rico Lewis is that kind of player either.

Gareth is pretty cautious though so i wonder if he will play someone alongside Rice behind Bellingham with Foden left and Saka right.

I don’t like the idea of Stones in a CM2, Henderson is neither a natural DM nor good enough to start anyway.

Phillips has fallen off a cliff, JWP and Gallagher aren’t those kind of players either.

I can only think of playing Mainoo, Wharton or Lewis next to Rice so I’d just rather Bellingham was there with Gordon on the left and Foden in his best role.
 
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