The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend Edition 8/9th June 2013

[Gaz_Gammon]

all signings have their risks. i may as well say should we sign no one in case it doesn't work out? i wish you'd stop peddling this idea that one signing could send us spirraling into financial meltdown as well. we've spent £7.5m net in 5 years now, it's about time this period of frugality started to allow us to loosen the purse strings a little.

It's not about the cost of the player it's about the worth of the player within the team. I'd state Michu, Betenke, and Ba as examples. Sure a Falcao type player may suit us, but would we need to add players around him to suit his (for example) style of play. The zillion pound signing often comes with "now all we need is a winger to cross to him" tag along with it?

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

whats the source?

Heinz..................mostly

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

we did try leando and moutinho above that mark, i know didnt come off but did try.

 

[Greenspur]

The DOF would say that though to protect their own position. People say coaches come and go but the DOF is constant, never really got that myself as the DOF's surely as capable of failiure as the coach and if the DOF's wrong then the coaches will constantly change as they're being failed from above

Your argument is lent considerable validity by the fact that neither Arnesen nor Comolli later very long. So much for constancy!!!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

It's not about the cost of the player it's about the worth of the player within the team. I'd state Michu, Betenke, and Ba as examples. Sure a Falcao type player may suit us, but would we need to add players around him to suit his (for example) style of play. The zillion pound signing often comes with "now all we need is a winger to cross to him" tag along with it?

I've been thinking about him (no not like that, you potty minded bastards). With all the talk about Cavani possibly going to the Chavs, and also Schurrle too, speculation is rife that Ba could be on his way. Would you take him? His injury problems seem to be behind him now (in the last 2 seasons, he's played 36 & 44 games respectively) and he, in my opinion, ticks all the boxes we're looking for in a striker. Salary of 4.16 million GBP per year (approx £80k p/w), him and a young understudy would be decent business, in my opinion anyway.

 

[greaves]

Heinz..................mostly

Hiss. Boo.
I think you'll find most purchases are on HP.
[exits quickly, left]

 

[Danners9]

I've been thinking about him (no not like that, you potty minded bastards). With all the talk about Cavani possibly going to the Chavs, and also Schurrle too, speculation is rife that Ba could be on his way. Would you take him? His injury problems seem to be behind him now (in the last 2 seasons, he's played 36 & 44 games respectively) and he, in my opinion, ticks all the boxes we're looking for in a striker. Salary of 4.16 million GBP per year (approx £80k p/w), him and a young understudy would be decent business, in my opinion anyway.

No... just like when he was leaving Newcastle, I didn't fancy him. Still don't. Occasionally good, will score some goals, will miss a bunch. We have 2 players like that already.

His strike rate is way down on before. 19% conversion rate at Newcastle, 7% at Chelsea (according to Opta).

 

[Greenspur]

Its the difference between betting a few grand on the horses and chucking your house on it, one you can absorb, dust your self down and carry on the other could ruin you.

My house is only worth a few grand.

 

[greaves]

I've been thinking about him (no not like that, you potty minded bastards). With all the talk about Cavani possibly going to the Chavs, and also Schurrle too, speculation is rife that Ba could be on his way. Would you take him? His injury problems seem to be behind him now (in the last 2 seasons, he's played 36 & 44 games respectively) and he, in my opinion, ticks all the boxes we're looking for in a striker. Salary of 4.16 million GBP per year (approx £80k p/w), him and a young understudy would be decent business, in my opinion anyway.

I thought the same. And same with Mata too, who someone's uncle's mother's traffic warden's coke-addled dog said may be shipped out when the great big shiny special one returns.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

No... just like when he was leaving Newcastle, I didn't fancy him. Still don't. Occasionally good, will score some goals, will miss a bunch. We have 2 players like that already.

His strike rate is way down on before. 19% conversion rate at Newcastle, 7% at Chelsea (according to Opta).

The less time you have on the pitch, the less chance you have of getting any form of fair stats. Played pretty much every minute of every game at Newcastle, mostly benched or taken off at the Chavs. Still outscored any of our choices, though. I respect your opinion though, Danners

 

[voxy28]

If we had signed AVB targets like Willian, Moutinho and Leandro, we could be in debt but these players retains its value and most likely we gotten CL secured.

As compared with Dempsey, Siggy and Ade.... We are now unable to offload plus no UCL....

So it kinds of baffled me when people says AVB targets are crap when the facts points to the opposite.. The transfer committee got it wrong and esp in Jan window. I remembered we got laugh at bidding 6m for Lisandro and bid 8m for Isco.....

So please wake up..... Quality and not quantity.

 

[rawhide]

I thought the same. And same with Mata too, who someone's uncle's mother's traffic warden's coke-addled dog said may be shipped out when the great big shiny special one returns.

Isn't the talk hat the Special One is now not fond of Spaniards?

Mata, Torres and isn't Azpilacueta Spanish? Might explain the 2+2=Walker to Chelsea rumour the other day.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I thought the same. And same with Mata too, who someone's uncle's mother's traffic warden's coke-addled dog said may be shipped out when the great big shiny special one returns.

To be fair, greaves, the Schurrle and the Cavani rumours are being openly reported via almost every media source possible. The Mata stuff is mostly speculation born from the fact that Mourinho supposedly has some sort of issue with Spanish players. I was just putting the question out there.

 

[Danners9]

The less time you have on the pitch, the less chance you have of getting any form of fair stats. Played pretty much every minute of every game at Newcastle, mostly benched or taken off at the Chavs. Still outscored any of our choices, though. I respect your opinion though, Danners

I also think we should be looking at better than someone who would quite clearly ditch the club at the first opportunity. That particular trait was obvious when he was at West Ham.

 

[greaves]

Isn't the talk hat the Special One is now not fond of Spaniards?

Mata, Torres and isn't Azpilacueta Spanish? Might explain the 2+2=Walker to Chelsea rumour the other day.

Interesting... he has an increasing list of international enemies. He will soon have the UN intervening. I cannot stand the man.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Ba could be a decent purchase but you just know that his patellas would instantaneously explode when trying to pull the jersey on for the press shot

 

[shelfboy68]

Lets be honest, we will not sign anyone over £15 million unless we sell Bale. We will sell some fringe players and spend at most £10 million extra from what we bring in. If we sell bale we will have to reinvest some of that in order to keep the fans happy. I love the idea of buying Barnard, Damiao and Villa but at best we will only get one player of this caliber.

Nail on the head we dont/wont spend more than 15 million on a player even if bale is sold levy has his MO and that wont change from this season and next.
We did here rumblings that we might spend more and push on but in fairness nothing is going to change under the current owners it's their way of conducting business and we just have to accept it.
I'm expecting much of the same this summer which is chasing after targets that we wont get or they don't want to know and then going into the final week getting cheaper buys and maybe losing the first game or two before we settle down and do ok until we lose out on top four again.
But it's what we are about and it all adds to the fun and games which is spurs.

 

[rawhide]

Interesting... he has an increasing list of international enemies. He will soon have the UN intervening. I cannot stand the man.

Paper talk was he fell out with the Spaniards at Real - Casillas & Ramos at least.

 

[greaves]

Paper talk was he fell out with the Spaniards at Real - Casillas & Ramos at least.

Yes. I read that with satisfaction. I hope he and Chelsea go down the pan, and quickly!

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I also think we should be looking at better than someone who would quite clearly ditch the club at the first opportunity. That particular trait was obvious when he was at West Ham.

West Ham got relegated & he had a clause in his contract that stated he was free to leave in that event. As for the first part of your post, pretty much ANY striker/player we sign will be happy to ditch the club at the first opportunity. We are a 'stepping stone', we have to accept that. However, IF we could secure Ba, and IF he wanted to remain in England, tell me a better club that ours that would want him if the Chavs don't? I'd say his only suitors would be us or Arseanal, due to the fact that all the other top 4 contenders are sorted or looking for bigger fish.