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Ossie85

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It's not his pace, although he's not exactly a player with real pace, but his whole play is slow, it lacks sharpness, he seems to take a long time to weigh up a lot of situations and react to them.
To me that's his problem and unless he can improve his sharpness he'll continue to struggle to make more than a cover player in the PL

I have the same feeling.
It's not pace, it's quickness. His reactions are slow, and given he's huge it's entirely expectable from him.
 

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Thauvin is interesting but he would play where Lamela plays fundamentally (ARM). Player I like there at marseille is Payet, I flagged him up when he was with Lille. Great little player, would fit the ALM role perfectly too.

Payet can be an excellent player but he can be a bit hot and cold. Thauvin is still developing and can have his quiet games but I think that's just down to age and experience Payet is now 27 so it's not lack of experience.

Thauvin is comfortable with either foot but primarily a left footer, for me he has the quality to fit in well and be flexible like Lamela who used to play on the left. I think a fluid three that can interchange can be a great mix
 

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Good post that sums up exactly the reality of the situation. The guy is a powerhouse with tremendous skill, passing and shooting too.

I imagine even Ronaldo and Messi would look like fish trying to swim in mashed potato if they played under AVB or Shitwood.

I mean I think the guy has potential too but holy fuck batman settle down. It benefits no one to talk about him like he is Ronaldo. Same for those saying he is absolute shit.

The jury is out and we'll know a lot more about him this season so instead of everyone popping blood vessels over the guy lets wait and see.
 

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I have the same feeling.
It's not pace, it's quickness. His reactions are slow, and given he's huge it's entirely expectable from him.

Same reservation here as well. He's certainly quick in space, and has surprisingly quick feet for a guy of his height, but I'm still not sure if they're quick enough to unlock Prem defenses and especially stubbornly packed ones we face at home.

I hope Poch makes it work, but for me the jury is still out on Chadli being a top Prem side contributor.
 

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Payet can be an excellent player but he can be a bit hot and cold. Thauvin is still developing and can have his quiet games but I think that's just down to age and experience Payet is now 27 so it's not lack of experience.

Thauvin is comfortable with either foot but primarily a left footer, for me he has the quality to fit in well and be flexible like Lamela who used to play on the left. I think a fluid three that can interchange can be a great mix

Lamela is not good on the left. He's actually bad on the left. He will roam between the middle and the right.
Even if the those 3 would roam we need each of them to have a starting position, and if we bring Thauvin we won't have anyone who feels comfortable on the left. So it's a no for me. We're not even interested though imo
 

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Lamela is not good on the left. He's actually bad on the left. He will roam between the middle and the right.
Even if the those 3 would roam we need each of them to have a starting position, and if we bring Thauvin we won't have anyone who feels comfortable on the left. So it's a no for me. We're not even interested though imo

Thauvin looks just as comfortable on the left and is left footed, looks goods to me lining up on the left Eriksen in the middle and Lamela on the right. None are out and out wingers all are really am's but with Andros and Lennon as LW/RW cover as options and the full backs providing extra width I'd be more than happy

That said I'm not sure about our interest but I think OM won't want to sell him yet so it probably is academic
 

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Payet can be an excellent player but he can be a bit hot and cold. Thauvin is still developing and can have his quiet games but I think that's just down to age and experience Payet is now 27 so it's not lack of experience.

Thauvin is comfortable with either foot but primarily a left footer, for me he has the quality to fit in well and be flexible like Lamela who used to play on the left. I think a fluid three that can interchange can be a great mix


I like what I've seen of Thauvin, is the type of player we should be interested in, and wouldn't mind him here, I just think his best position is where I think Lamela will be by default.

I know we may have missed the boat on Payet, but he's been good for a few years now. Last season at Lille (12-13) he scored 12 and assisted 13. I'm surprised no-one in Europe's bigger primo leagues didn't come sniffing then.
 

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Lamela is not good on the left. He's actually bad on the left. He will roam between the middle and the right.
Even if the those 3 would roam we need each of them to have a starting position, and if we bring Thauvin we won't have anyone who feels comfortable on the left. So it's a no for me. We're not even interested though imo

He needs to roam, but the majority of his preseason goals have been scored from the left
 

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It's not his pace, although he's not exactly a player with real pace, but his whole play is slow, it lacks sharpness, he seems to take a long time to weigh up a lot of situations and react to them.
To me that's his problem and unless he can improve his sharpness he'll continue to struggle to make more than a cover player in the PL
Who are you talking about Depay or Chadli? If former have a winner, if the latter , have a neg rep!
 

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He needs to roam, but the majority of his preseason goals have been scored from the left

Yes, but on overlapping runs. It's similar to the concept for why you shouldn't play Paulinho more advanced because he scores goals in the box. Both Lamela in those instances, and Paulinho in his goal-scoring instances, manage to find space in those areas because they arrive from other relatively distant areas, and lost their own defender to run into another defender's space (and typically that defender is busy marking someone else or closing on the ball-carrier).
 

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Yes, but on overlapping runs. It's similar to the concept for why you shouldn't play Paulinho more advanced because he scores goals in the box. Both Lamela in those instances, and Paulinho in his goal-scoring instances, manage to find space in those areas because they arrive from other relatively distant areas, and lost their own defender to run into another defender's space (and typically that defender is busy marking someone else or closing on the ball-carrier).

Agree. Saved me the reply
 

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It's not his pace, although he's not exactly a player with real pace, but his whole play is slow, it lacks sharpness, he seems to take a long time to weigh up a lot of situations and react to them.
To me that's his problem and unless he can improve his sharpness he'll continue to struggle to make more than a cover player in the PL
Same reservation here as well. He's certainly quick in space, and has surprisingly quick feet for a guy of his height, but I'm still not sure if they're quick enough to unlock Prem defenses and especially stubbornly packed ones we face at home.

I hope Poch makes it work, but for me the jury is still out on Chadli being a top Prem side contributor.

I have the same feeling.
It's not pace, it's quickness. His reactions are slow, and given he's huge it's entirely expectable from him.
I know what you guys are saying, but for me he only seemed to have this problem when he was too far wide & deep, which isn't his natural position. He also didn't get a decent run of games to get some sharpness. I think in the long run you are right in saying he will be just a squad player, but that is mainly because we are always looking to upgrade and if you were going to upgrade in the 3 behind the striker Chadli would be the first out him Eriksen & Lamela.

Saying that though, out of our options now, I would start him and even if we upgraded I would keep him in the squad, as he has a skill set that could be important in games that the others don't have.

Also, from what little I have seen, Depay's sharpness, reactions and speed of thought are slower than Chadli's.

Personally, I would like to keep Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli & Holtby, bring in a wide player than has pace, good off the ball running, dribbling ability and good end product to add to them and keep one of Lennon, Townsend & Cebellos to make up the 6 options for those 3 places.
 

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I know what you guys are saying, but for me he only seemed to have this problem when he was too far wide & deep, which isn't his natural position. He also didn't get a decent run of games to get some sharpness. I think in the long run you are right in saying he will be just a squad player, but that is mainly because we are always looking to upgrade and if you were going to upgrade in the 3 behind the striker Chadli would be the first out him Eriksen & Lamela.

Saying that though, out of our options now, I would start him and even if we upgraded I would keep him in the squad, as he has a skill set that could be important in games that the others don't have.

Also, from what little I have seen, Depay's sharpness, reactions and speed of thought are slower than Chadli's.

Personally, I would like to keep Eriksen, Lamela, Chadli & Holtby, bring in a wide player than has pace, good off the ball running, dribbling ability and good end product to add to them and keep one of Lennon, Townsend & Cebellos to make up the 6 options for those 3 places.

Good post.

I completely agree with what you're saying about how he was played this past season. I think you're spot on for what caused his problems, as I think the exact same reason also played a part in Lamela struggling to adapt at first. Love how right off the bat Poch has allowed Lamela simply to do his thing, as opposed to asking him to hug the touchline as AVB did. Not to go on a tangent, but I think it's also very much the case for Chadli in him struggling to adapt to it. I think he also put considerably more effort in defending as well with the intention of improving his case while he figured out the speed of play of the league, but this resulted in him spending less time in the advanced positions which he was accustomed to.

We have time to see, but as of now I don't like that he doesn't attack a stacked box square on, but rather prefers to aim for the byline or cut across and shoot over said stacked box. Is why I thought we needed someone who could not only provide the pacey wide option to fill that LWF spot Poch likes, but also with the dribbling ability in tight spaces to make things happen. But again, new year, new coach, new system. No doubt we all hope Chadli gets it did this season.
 

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Interesting that no one has made any comment about Thauvin, comments about Kono, even though there's been nothing to suggest we have any interest for months, but despite suggestions that OM rejected our bid for Thauvin nada.
Thauvin is interesting but he would play where Lamela plays fundamentally (ARM). Player I like there at marseille is Payet, I flagged him up when he was with Lille. Great little player, would fit the ALM role perfectly too.
Payet can be an excellent player but he can be a bit hot and cold. Thauvin is still developing and can have his quiet games but I think that's just down to age and experience Payet is now 27 so it's not lack of experience.


Thauvin is comfortable with either foot but primarily a left footer, for me he has the quality to fit in well and be flexible like Lamela who used to play on the left. I think a fluid three that can interchange can be a great mix
Lamela is not good on the left. He's actually bad on the left. He will roam between the middle and the right.

Even if the those 3 would roam we need each of them to have a starting position, and if we bring Thauvin we won't have anyone who feels comfortable on the left. So it's a no for me. We're not even interested though imo
Thauvin looks just as comfortable on the left and is left footed, looks goods to me lining up on the left Eriksen in the middle and Lamela on the right. None are out and out wingers all are really am's but with Andros and Lennon as LW/RW cover as options and the full backs providing extra width I'd be more than happy

That said I'm not sure about our interest but I think OM won't want to sell him yet so it probably is academic
I like what I've seen of Thauvin, is the type of player we should be interested in, and wouldn't mind him here, I just think his best position is where I think Lamela will be by default.

I know we may have missed the boat on Payet, but he's been good for a few years now. Last season at Lille (12-13) he scored 12 and assisted 13. I'm surprised no-one in Europe's bigger primo leagues didn't come sniffing then.

This is exactly what makes this thread such a toilet sometimes. When you suddenly lose your access, you'll know why.
 
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