The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE GOAT'S HAT-TRICK! 25th July 2014

[thinktank]

Why would this mean they won't go for Schneiderlin? Chambers is a RB!

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[THFCSPURS19]

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Also, they could be more reluctant to sell another player to Arsenal after Chambers because they've already done it with Liverpool. They haven't sold anyone to us (yeah ok we stole their manager but who cares) . They really are in deep shit now though.

 

[FreddieYid]

I like Chambers... Would like him in our squad to push Walker.

I can't believe the amount of players that SCBC are letting go, Lambert aside they seem to be getting/quoting over the odds for all of them. I just wonder when they'll say enough is enough.

 

[SpurSince57]

Rather go in for Moutinho If Schneirderlin is around £27 million.

 

[fatpiranha]

This is what I just don't get though.

How do you put a figure on what he's worth to Pochettino? Its his vision in terms of the team he's trying to build and the style he's trying to implement.

If he sees him as integral who cares what price we have to pay? I mean that in the sense that Levy worry about the financials. We should be much more concerned that Pochettino gets in who he wants not what the exact figure amounts to.

Rightly or wrongly, we don't have a system where the manager selects our transfer targets (although i'm sure he has some input). We employ scouts and a technical director to do that job. Poch's job is to turn that into a team. The manager's wishlist should be type of player not specific individuals and leave it to the scouts and Baldini to supply that type of player within the strictures of the transfer budget.

Personally I am very dubious about managers raiding their old teams for players. It's not such a bad idea for lower league managers but at our level a manager should be able to work with what he's given not just with what he knows. If Poch was insisting we buy some brilliant player from Southampton's youth team then fair enough but identifying players you want who cost £20M+ ... well if that's how you want to play it you should be at Chelsea or Man City.

Look at the money we would have spunked away if we had bought AVB's wishlist. Look at the money we spunked on Harry's collection of 'triffic players'. It's not like Poch has a brilliant track record of big money signings is it?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Interesting development which could be good for us. It looks like Arsenal will be signing Callum Chambers (£7m-16m being mentioned) and some Arsenal fans are speculating that this could mean that they won't go after Schneiderlin. Fingers crossed.

Why would signing a RB stop them wanting Schneiderlin ? I don't get it.

 

[danielneeds]

I like Chambers... Would like him in our squad to push Walker.

I can't believe the amount of players that SCBC are letting go, Lambert aside they seem to be getting/quoting over the odds for all of them. I just wonder when they'll say enough is enough.

What the hell is going on there? Gonna have less players than Blackpool at this rate.

 

[Roberts84]

A few weeks back, when some people were going, "£30m TV money! We're going to spend, spend, spend!" I suggested that Levy wouldn't deviate from the policy he's operated since ENIC took over, and that anyway player price inflation would mean it wouldn't go anything like as far as they imagined. "No! You're so wrong!" they cried.

If someone had suggested last summer that Lallana, Shaw and Lovren would go for a cool £70m-odd (or one Luis Suarez) he'd have been called a nutter. Yet here we are.

And our King became a much better CD after playing half a season at CM under Hoddle.

King became a better CB after he went to the euros and was brilliant against France, that gave him the believe. The next season he had Naybet directing him. From then he seem 6 ft taller and so assured.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Why would signing a RB stop them wanting Schneiderlin ? I don't get it.

That's what some Gooners are saying. I don't know either. There were rumours of them stopping their pursuit for a midfielder because Wenger had faith in Wilshere. I wish him good luck with that.

 

[thinktank]

What the hell is going on there? Gonna have less players than Blackpool at this rate.

Hard to stop when people are willing to hand you a good few extra mil. for nothing.

 

[nayimfrom50]

Surely the point is that if saints let Lovren and Chambers go aswell as the others that have already gone they'll shut the shop and refuse to sell Schneiderlin to anyone. No?

 

[FreddieYid]

Surely the point is that if saints let Lovren and Chambers go aswell as the others that have already gone they'll shut the shop and refuse to sell Schneiderlin to anyone. No?

Would be typical us though wouldn't it... Let them get ripped apart by other clubs, then pitch up as the 'closed for business' sign goes up in the window

 

[SpartanSpur]

Re: Chambers to Goons - Really starting to worry about MS now. There's only so much money they can possibly need. Plus would we really be the only team that isn't expected to overpay?

I guess player part-ex's might be our only shot - Dawson, Rose, Naughton, Holtby?

 

[Gedson100]

I can live without Schneiderlin though & I suspect the squad is well capable of operating without him.
Capoue & Paulinho are perfect to play as the two in CM in Poch's system. If he did come then great, we've options; but when I looked at his numbers, they were starkly similar to Bentaleb's, who at 19 is an option with an enormous potential upside. I appreciate stats aren't the be all or end all but throw in Dembele, maybe Sandro, Carroll or Holtby depending on transfers & there's a lot of solid options for two positions.

I would like us to buy a centre back or at least not sell Chiriches.
Dawson goes & there's a hole that needs filling.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Hard to stop when people are willing to hand you a good few extra mil. for nothing.

Agreed, £15m or so for a young right back is a cracking deal for them. Especially when Clyne is first choice and not particularly old either. That's also more money than they got for bale, Ox and Walcott.

In mid table full backs are more easily replaceable as you don't need top notch. Players like Schneiderlin on the other hand aren't so easy to replace.

 

[danielneeds]

I expect if Lovren and Chambers go, Schneiderlin will down tools if they force him to stay. How can they try and sell him on a project with a straight face?

 

[Dirty Ewok]

That's what some Gooners are saying. I don't know either. There were rumours of them stopping their pursuit for a midfielder because Wenger had faith in Wilshere. I wish him good luck with that.

I think they are trying to quiet the market.....word is that Real and them are set on a fee for Khedira but Khedira is asking for a huge salary so they are looking elsewhere, Sporting want massive money for Carvalho and Schneiderlin is being quoted in the press at £27m....if you were Arsenal and were to going to spend £27m on Schneiderlin why not spend £20m on a fee and put the rest to salary for Khedira who is the midfielder that they actually want.

So they start backing down on midfielders and hope the fact that they go quiet and Arsene "has faith" in Wilshire scares someone into coming back to the table.

 

[Ledleys Knee]

When we sold Modric & immediately paid Dembele's release clause of £15m, that seemed a fair enough deal & price.

Two years on, what value a premium central midfielder from a non top-6 club, as Dembele was, such as Schneiderlin?

Factor in increased prices due to daft TV money & suddenly £20m seems the going rate.

Whether Chief Dan sees it that way is a moot point.

Schneiderlin is homegrown too, which adds to his price

 

[Mr Pink]

Rightly or wrongly, we don't have a system where the manager selects our transfer targets (although i'm sure he has some input). We employ scouts and a technical director to do that job. Poch's job is to turn that into a team. The manager's wishlist should be type of player not specific individuals and leave it to the scouts and Baldini to supply that type of player within the strictures of the transfer budget.

Personally I am very dubious about managers raiding their old teams for players. It's not such a bad idea for lower league managers but at our level a manager should be able to work with what he's given not just with what he knows. If Poch was insisting we buy some brilliant player from Southampton's youth team then fair enough but identifying players you want who cost £20M+ ... well if that's how you want to play it you should be at Chelsea or Man City.

Look at the money we would have spunked away if we had bought AVB's wishlist. Look at the money we spunked on Harry's collection of 'triffic players'. It's not like Poch has a brilliant track record of big money signings is it?

We don't have a system dictated by our manager no, but maybe they should have more input - and maybe this is why we'll end up with Schneiderlin this time. For the record I'm not saying they're input should be decisive, not at all. Just, perhaps, carry more weight in certain circumstances.

I honestly don't think its needs to be as rigid as you make it sound either. I know there has to be defined roles per se, but I don't see any problem at all with a manager stating a preference for a player he's had extensive experience with, none whatsoever.

I also don't agree with your Chelsea or City quip. In order to compete, broadly speaking and in line with our means, I think its necessary to secure some established quality. If we're really in for Schneiderlin both Levy and Pochettino would clearly endorse this to and if it wasn't in line with Levy's MO we wouldn't be entertaining it from the off.

One 20 million pound signing, who's proven his quality in this League which our current manager can partially take credit for...

 

[THFCSPURS19]

If today's taught me anything, it's that we need to get a move on with our targets, especially Schneiderlin.